Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

eric blair wrote:

here's the problem with impeachment in a Republican Congress.

Say T's approval rating keeps falling. Say it falls to...30%. That's as low as any rating ever goes, really.

That still means a majority of Republicans approve of Trump. So it would be a mighty brave stand to impeach when you know the majority of people who vote for you disagree with your move.

That's true unless Republicans decide that they need to impeach for the good of the nation. That is, they would put patriotism over politics and proceed from there.

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Sometimes I'm so funny it hurts. :-)

agreed on examination that some states were not within the margin of error

but you need not obscure the fact that the 2016 national polls were nearly dead accurate and more predictive than they were in 2012.

I just saw that Flynn resigned yesterday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/mike-flynn-resign-pence-russia.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

So, we might rank the scandals and misjudgments so far something like this:

1) Flynn scandal

2) Transparently unconstitutional travel ban on Muslims from seven nations that have not produced any terrorist attacks in the United States (exempting Christians from those nations)

3) Failure to sell off personal assets or place in blind trust

4) Conducting nuclear security talks in plain view of Mar a lago diners

5) Personal denigration of sitting judges

I'd accept many other top five lists.

That's a pretty good list - can't really say much else except I'd like to see his taxes.

aeiglwei wrote:

I just saw that Flynn resigned yesterday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/mike-flynn-resign-pence-russia.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

So, we might rank the scandals and misjudgments so far something like this:

1) Flynn scandal

2) Transparently unconstitutional travel ban on Muslims from seven nations that have not produced any terrorist attacks in the United States (exempting Christians from those nations)

3) Failure to sell off personal assets or place in blind trust

4) Conducting nuclear security talks in plain view of Mar a lago diners

5) Personal denigration of sitting judges

I'd accept many other top five lists.

let's be clear -

Trump is in trouble. He's losing even the GOP leadership.

McConnell says there will be a senate investigation of Flynn

Chaffetz says there will be a House investigation of the Mar a Lago national security fiasco

and of course there is an ongoing FBI investigation of Trump's ties to Russia

three investigations. (At least) in ONE MONTH.

If any of these show that Trump has obstructed justice, there is a high crime or misdemeanor.

And remember - Trump KNEW Flynn had made possibly illegal calls to Russia. And did nothing. In fact, Trump didn't even tell Pence about it.

Does that sound like obstruction of justice to anyone? I'm not a lawyer.

And maybe it will come out that Trump told Flynn to negotiate with the Russians against Obama. Treason certainly is a high crime, impeachable.

This Trump disaster could end pretty quickly and predictably.

Certainly there are leakers and journalists working day and night to destroy him.

sorry - FOUR investigations

Trump by the Senate

Trump by the House

Conway by the House

Trump by the FBI

hoooeeeeeyyyyy

oh forget it - just found many more investigations. Who can keep up with his scandals. The dude is toast.

The FBI and five other law enforcement and intelligence agencies have collaborated for months in an investigation into Russian attempts to influence the November election....The agencies involved in the inquiry are the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and representatives of the director of national intelligence, the sources said.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

When it comes to DJT I don't believe polls. Who are the polling companies asking? The same people they used to predict that he wouldn't become president.

I agree with you he is at stand still and will probably just ride out the 4 years but my point was that regardless of approval rating if an established politician did what he did in the campaign or is doing now they would be forced to drop out/resign.

He has 2 things working for him:

1. The GOP leadership is still behind him

2. The 24 second news cycle - every time he does one thing and the news starts to talk about it he goes and does something else and they can't keep up or keep people engaged.

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3. The GOP will only act in self interest and ethics mean nothing to them. Also they are cowards.

eric blair wrote:

agreed on examination that some states were not within the margin of error

but you need not obscure the fact that the 2016 national polls were nearly dead accurate and more predictive than they were in 2012.

Interesting that my post was deleted because I mentioned a particular poster who lives in Ohio. The mods are banning any mentions of a flag and pole. Hmmmm.....

The baby president wrote:

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

When it comes to DJT I don't believe polls. Who are the polling companies asking? The same people they used to predict that he wouldn't become president.

I agree with you he is at stand still and will probably just ride out the 4 years but my point was that regardless of approval rating if an established politician did what he did in the campaign or is doing now they would be forced to drop out/resign.

He has 2 things working for him:

1. The GOP leadership is still behind him

2. The 24 second news cycle - every time he does one thing and the news starts to talk about it he goes and does something else and they can't keep up or keep people engaged.

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3. The GOP will only act in self interest and ethics mean nothing to them. Also they are cowards.

this is cracking a bit

two Senate Repubs are calling for an investigation - McConnell and Blunt are calling for investigation

idiot chaffetz in the house will investigate the mar a lago fiasco, and he already condemned Conway.

I'm hoping for more like this

eric blair wrote:

this is cracking a bit

two Senate Repubs are calling for an investigation - McConnell and Blunt are calling for investigation

idiot chaffetz in the house will investigate the mar a lago fiasco, and he already condemned Conway.

I'm hoping for more like this

There are boundaries that even die hard repubs won't cross, they still need a functioning country to work in and within. It's becoming clear that this is very much about one person to whom the union is expendable for self gain.

Well, it's not like Russian intelligence goes around wearing red hats that say "I'm Russian Intelligence!" so how would you expect any of the guys to know who they were talking to in treasonous fashion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Anonymous posting is fun wrote:

eric blair wrote:

this is cracking a bit

two Senate Repubs are calling for an investigation - McConnell and Blunt are calling for investigation

idiot chaffetz in the house will investigate the mar a lago fiasco, and he already condemned Conway.

I'm hoping for more like this

There are boundaries that even die hard repubs won't cross, they still need a functioning country to work in and within. It's becoming clear that this is very much about one person to whom the union is expendable for self gain.

For now just a bunch of hot air. Other senators/reps, the administration, and rw-press are saying it's no big deal. They'll all bellow for a few weeks, until the next controversy. Maybe there will be a major break but I can see this going on for years without much headway.

eric blair wrote:

If any of these show that Trump has obstructed justice, there is a high crime or misdemeanor.

And remember - Trump KNEW Flynn had made possibly illegal calls to Russia. And did nothing. In fact, Trump didn't even tell Pence about it.

Does that sound like obstruction of justice to anyone? I'm not a lawyer.

And maybe it will come out that Trump told Flynn to negotiate with the Russians against Obama. Treason certainly is a high crime, impeachable.

This Trump disaster could end pretty quickly and predictably.

Certainly there are leakers and journalists working day and night to destroy him.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I did once serve on a jury in an obstruction of justice case. I don't think we have evidence of obstruction yet. I don't know of any reports that said Trump tried to hinder an investigation. That would include things like lying to investigators, failing to turn over documents, or destroying evidence. Flynn did lie to the feds but we don't know that Trump did.

If Trump indeed colluded with the Russians during the campaign then it's game over. From what I understand, there would be plenty of crimes to convict him of that are far easier to prosecute than treason.

If a lawyer would care to comment, that would be enlightening.

Claimed without facts that 3 million illegals voted for HRC

Trump yells and hangs up on Australia PM because end of long day

Conway ‘alternative facts’

Trump says hell at prayer breakfast

Trump talks about himself at prayer breakfast

Pence tweets Abraham Lincoln on first day black history month

No mention of jews on holocaust memorial day

Trump fires head of justice department for doing her job

Awful rollout of immigration ban yemen etc muslim ban

“so called judge”

Says negative approval is ‘fake news’

Approves info wars to come to WH

Claims media is not covering terror attacks

Implies moral equivalence between putin and USA

Says if there is a terror attack it will be the judges’ fault

Called Flynn at 3 am asking if a strong dollar is good or bad (how was that leaked?)

Melania argued in court that a blogger who said she was an escort was ruining her chances to cash in on being first lady.

Crappy deadly raid in yemen plus travel ban attempt causes yemen to stop allowing us troops to operate.

020817 Both Conway and gorka admit trump lies as a strategy.

Falsely says murder rate highest in 47 years

Said Nordstrom made political decision to scrap ivanka brand.

Conway makes up bowling green massacre

Spicer makes up atlanta attack

Obamacare still not repealed

Conway pitches Ivanka Trump brand on TV, specifically banned by ethics laws. Even GOP led house ethics committee says she went over the line. First scandal!

Trump falsely claims his cabinet is taking longer than any other to be approved

Trump falsely claims Sen Blumenthal made up Gorsuch’s criticism of trump.

Trump said nothing about Canada right wing terrorist

Trump said nothing about tornado in LA

Seven GOP senators urge trump to toughen up against Russia

Trump loses appeals court decision - the ban stays stopped

House oversight committee refers Conway’s product pitching for official investigation

Flynn found to have clearly negotiated with Russia as a private citizen, breaking the law. Flynn also lied to the VP. Or Pence is lying to us. Will GOP investigate or sweep under rug? Rep Cummings asked Chaffetz for an investigation.

Trump’s position against the One China policy folds like a house of cards: What just happened with China was the worst of all worlds: a reckless moment followed by a predictable walk-back that empowers Beijing.

Trump security failures

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/13/trump-ran-a-campaign-based-on-intelligence-security-thats-not-how-hes-governing/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_security-1155a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d1adfcaf9a9b

Trump admin again in fight with Sen McCain

Trump lies about NYT apologizing for fake news

Trump lies about Kuwait having a travel ban

Trump lies about knowing Putin or not knowing Putin. He has claimed both.

Trump lies by saying the US has ‘little or no’ tariffs on Chinese goods

Trump lies by saying journalist Cuomo did not ask Sen Blumenthal about his misrepresenting Vietnam service. Cuomo did ask the sen about it.

Second ethics scandal – Flynn lies to VP about his talks with Russia, caught red handed. Will GOP investigate?

To a room full of US senators Trump says thousands of fraudulent voters were shipped in from MA

Miller says the powers of the president will not be questioned, shrugging off centuries of judicial oversight.

Trump and Abe discuss nuclear war issues in a crowded room at mar a lago, with documents on the table as waiters serve them

Miller says it is an unquestionable fact that vast numbers of non citizens are registered to vote. No evidence.

The National Security Council is apparently in chaos because of Flynn and belief Russia has ears in the org.

The intel community is not sharing info with WH because it believes that since Jan 20 Russia has ears in the WH.

Trump hits new low in approval ratings:40%. 55% disapprove – also a new worst.

Continuing evidence that nat sec advisor Flynn lied to VP.

Friend of trump sent out to tell world that Priebus is in over his head and doing terrible job.

Miller: ““First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from those seven nations, point one.” Given three Pinocchios by Washington Post.

Carrier of nuclear football takes pictures with mar a lago members.

Trump leaves a key in a secured bag when unauthorized people were in the oval office. Major security failure.

At mar a lago people used flashlights on phones to read documents. Phones can be hacked to take and transmit photos.

WH gives press credentials to Gateway Pundit

Further details corroborated in Trump spy dossier

Flynn resigns in disgrace

Attorney General made it clear that Flynn was subject to blackmail after breaking laws by negotiating with Russians before inauguration. Trump does nothing – Flynn stays in place and given access to classified info.

Sen Blunt is first top Republican in Senate to call for an investigation into Flynn scandal. McConnell now, too.

Chaffetz will investigate the open air public war room at Mar a Lago. So now we have investigations into the WH from FBI, Senate and House. Plus c. six intelligence agencies. All in the first month of the admin.

Spicer says Trump knew that Flynn was lying and he knew it for several weeks. Trump only fired Flynn after WashPo ran stories. Shows 1)Trump is fine with covering up crimes and 2) leakers and the press have a real role.

NYT reports extensive contacts between Trump campaign and Russian intelligence.

FBI told WH that Flynn was compromised by Russia yet Trump continued to allow Flynn access to classified information.

giant catapult found near mexican-US border.

Seriously man. this wall thing? boondoggle.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/15/drug-catapult-found-attached-to-mexican-side-us-border-fence.html

eric blair wrote:

giant catapult found near mexican-US border.

Seriously man. this wall thing? boondoggle.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/15/drug-catapult-found-attached-to-mexican-side-us-border-fence.html

Funny. It's yet one more reason that the wall is a stupid idea. The drugs and the people will keep flowing as long as there is demand for both.

The wall is kind of like the locks on our doors. They make us feel safer, but if a burglar wants in, he'll just break a window or pry the door open with a crowbar.

You can spend more money for better security. But at some point it's no longer worth the added cost for better and better security. You are just asking the burglar to be a little more sophisticated.

So how much should we spend on the wall? $10 Billion? $100 Billion? $1 Trillion?

It's a lot cheaper to just arrest the business owners who illegally hire and exploit the immigrants. A few high-profile perp walks would do more to fix illegal immigration than the most expensive wall you can dream up.

but that would encourage people to work off the books, depriving the nation of tax dollars, undercutting salaries of citizens and encouraging more abuse of immigrants.

the only real solutions are to build up Latin America's economy so fewer people WANT to come, and somehow reduce the American demand for drugs.

I saw a calculation once - when a poor nation's per capita income gets to be something like 40% of Americas, immigration stops. There is no need to uproot and leave if you can do ok at home.

unfortunately, Trump is going the opposite direction - trying to harm Mexico's economy. That will only result in more illegals.

drugs, I have no idea. People really really like drugs.

Fat hurts wrote:

The wall is kind of like the locks on our doors. They make us feel safer, but if a burglar wants in, he'll just break a window or pry the door open with a crowbar.

Right, locks don't work 100% of the time, which means I leave the door wide open all night.