Does anyone know if the Oberlin 6k course was short? I have heard the men's course was short by about .04, but nothing about the women's.
Does anyone know if the Oberlin 6k course was short? I have heard the men's course was short by about .04, but nothing about the women's.
[quote]alinard wrote:
Does anyone know if the Oberlin 6k course was short? I have heard the men's course was short by about .04, but nothing about the women's.[/quote
lol.
[quote]Atlantic wrote:
Very circular logic in this post. Also very grand claims that aren't grounded in any fact... kind of like the original post you're criticizing. Way to waste a post, and everyone's time.
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thats a waste of a post
I feel like everyone is overlooking him but I think herpderp will for sure be top ten come regionals
I feel like everyone is overlooking him but I think herpderp will for sure be top ten come regionals[/quote]
You are a true daredevil to make that prediction.
just a minute wrote:
Name one person in oneontas top 7 and one other person after Haskins that is an 800 runner...and name one other team other than geneseo who has had people run 25:30 on an actual 8k course...
This will be a program to watch in a couple of years... young coach building a solid program no i am not saying this is the next geneseo but perhaps the next plattsburgh during coach lynchs glory days???
ohkneeontah wrote:
just a minute wrote:Name one person in oneontas top 7 and one other person after Haskins that is an 800 runner...and name one other team other than geneseo who has had people run 25:30 on an actual 8k course...
This will be a program to watch in a couple of years... young coach building a solid program no i am not saying this is the next geneseo but perhaps the next plattsburgh during coach lynchs glory days???
What do you consider "young"? LoPiccollo is like 40, so maybe he's not as old as Woodsie, but he's also not as young as Manktelow. And he's been "building" a solid program for almost 10 years. They just happen to have a bunch of slightly above average D3 guys at the moment. He's had a fair amount of top level people in the past and has proven he knows what he's doing. The problem with Oneonta, is that it's in Oneonta.
Here is a project I have been working on since the summer. Its Atlantic Region Speed Ratings for both Men and Women.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbzblXUoPNjdGc5TFpseEJ2XzZjdHNraWNQNEllX3c#gid=1
GoldCoast wrote:
Here is a project I have been working on since the summer. Its Atlantic Region Speed Ratings for both Men and Women.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbzblXUoPNjdGc5TFpseEJ2XzZjdHNraWNQNEllX3c#gid=1
Saw Oberlin listed as 8k; closed tab.
WhoDat2.4 wrote:
Saw Oberlin listed as 8k; closed tab.
Speed ratings are based on how fast you are compared to the average runner in a race on a certain course. How long the course is doesn't matter.
These are really awesome! The formatting is kind of difficult but I can go through myself if I want to see a particular team's ratings so far. Brimstein having both the top spots is pretty impressive right now. I was surprised to see Rakoc so far down considering he soundly beat all but 2 of Haverford's runners at Paul Short earlier this season. Over-ranked?
GoldCoast wrote:
Here is a project I have been working on since the summer. Its Atlantic Region Speed Ratings for both Men and Women.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbzblXUoPNjdGc5TFpseEJ2XzZjdHNraWNQNEllX3c#gid=1
tullyrunner wrote:
WhoDat2.4 wrote:Saw Oberlin listed as 8k; closed tab.
Speed ratings are based on how fast you are compared to the average runner in a race on a certain course. How long the course is doesn't matter.
So they don't take prior years into account? I was always under the impression that that was part of the equation. If they don't, I stand corrected.
What do you consider "young"? LoPiccollo is like 40, so maybe he's not as old as Woodsie, but he's also not as young as Manktelow. And he's been "building" a solid program for almost 10 years. They just happen to have a bunch of slightly above average D3 guys at the moment. He's had a fair amount of top level people in the past and has proven he knows what he's doing. The problem with Oneonta, is that it's in Oneonta.[/quote]
Their head coach is NOT LoPiccollo... Their head coach is a younger guy (maybe mid 20's?).
Thanks! Looks like a lot of work was involved--much appreciated. Two small things:
1. I see that the women are (apparently) restricted to those from SUNYAC schools--at least, if I was reading the file correctly. Any particular reason why?--granting that it's less work, and fewer people seem interested in the women!
2. I'm pretty sure that the women did not run 8k at Oberlin--at least, not in 22 minutes...
L.G.F.U.A.R. wrote:
What do you consider "young"? LoPiccollo is like 40, so maybe he's not as old as Woodsie, but he's also not as young as Manktelow. And he's been "building" a solid program for almost 10 years. They just happen to have a bunch of slightly above average D3 guys at the moment. He's had a fair amount of top level people in the past and has proven he knows what he's doing. The problem with Oneonta, is that it's in Oneonta.
Their head coach is NOT LoPiccollo... Their head coach is a younger guy (maybe mid 20's?).[/quote]
I realize that's how it's listed on the website, but when LoPiccollo switched from head XC to head track when Dawson "left" was only because the head track position paid more money. Although I'm out of the loop there, I'd be surprised if LoPiccollo isn't still coaching the distance runners. If he is, then I apologize.
kibitzer wrote:
Thanks! Looks like a lot of work was involved--much appreciated. Two small things:
1. I see that the women are (apparently) restricted to those from SUNYAC schools--at least, if I was reading the file correctly. Any particular reason why?--granting that it's less work, and fewer people seem interested in the women!
2. I'm pretty sure that the women did not run 8k at Oberlin--at least, not in 22 minutes...
1. All the girls are there. Go to Data>Filter> Your able to sort it by what you want to see.
2. Thanks I fixed it.
If there was a easier a way to just Post a Spreadsheet with out going through google i would. I don't like using google docs that much, rather keep it as a MS excel document.
Their head coach is NOT LoPiccollo... Their head coach is a younger guy (maybe mid 20's?).[/quote]
I realize that's how it's listed on the website, but when LoPiccollo switched from head XC to head track when Dawson "left" was only because the head track position paid more money. Although I'm out of the loop there, I'd be surprised if LoPiccollo isn't still coaching the distance runners. If he is, then I apologize.[/quote]
Good point... That could be the case.
Gotcha--I was able to make it work. Thanks again for all your efforts.
Speed ratings must and always have taken into account past performances both of the runner and for the course... if the conditions of the course change or the course itself changes then the validity of the rating comes into question... especially if you have very few runners of known ability from other teams as a comparison
Speed Rating = (1560 - (actual race time in seconds) - (race correction)) / 3
Because speedratings are determined by a relatively subjective measure of "race correction" these speed ratings are not completely accurate, unless the poster can reveal his corrections (which there appear to be none). Also... speed ratings were designed for a race of 5k... the 1560 is a zero point of 26:00 min converted to seconds for a 5k from which the athlete's actual performance is subtracted. So again, not sure how this poster calculated the speed rating...
Reference this here under determining race corrections, in particular, the 2nd method:
http://tullyrunners.com/Data/Articles/EarlySeasonSpeed.htm
I question the oberlin (out of region, altered course) and geneseo invite (no competition on an altered course from recent years) speed ratings because of the alterations to the course and the conditions of the courses compared to recent years so the method of looking at the mean difference as a adjustment needs to be applied.
GoldCoast wrote:
Here is a project I have been working on since the summer. Its Atlantic Region Speed Ratings for both Men and Women.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbzblXUoPNjdGc5TFpseEJ2XzZjdHNraWNQNEllX3c#gid=1
A great idea but speed ratings were intended for 5k and the Oberlin race is a statistical nightmare.