How do people still believe Shelby Houlihan cheated?

No Amazon history submitted. No test history submitted either.

As for "detection window", that is debatable. After all, she was caught with a small amount, so most likely she would have been fine a few hours later (or if she took a bit less the day before). Bad luck for her and BTC and Nike, great for the fans of the clean sport.

I do not believe in the contaminated supplement, rather either straight nandro or other roids contaminated with nandro (which would make the whole nandro efficiency/risk/detection window points obsolete). Otherwise her accomplices wouldn't have had to defend her so desperately. Also note that she ruled out her supplements because a) they were all tested negative in January and b) she herself tested negative a couple of times in November and January.

Everytime you say "no other cause could be found but her", it sounds like nonsense, because that is not how WADA defines intent, and what the term requires.

There is nothing unequivocal about either finding of "doping" or finding "intent". Both contain uncertainties which were resolved in whole or in part by presumptions.

Yeah, the OTC supplements theory would have been easy for them to use, but they didn't really push it because they KNEW that wasn't where it had come from and could be easily disproven.

No, this is easily a case for an other contaminated PED that had, as expected, properly cleared her system when tested, which is why Julian, Shelby and BTC were caught completely flat footed by the Nando positive and had ZERO explanation of why it was there. Unregulated drugs not made in the cleanest laboratory every. Oops.

It gave me very Ben Johnson vibes: "yes, he was doping, but not with THAT!"

Look, we all saw Shelby's physical aspect change dramatically in a short period of time, just like FloJo, and her times dropped dramatically. We are all smart enough and experienced enough to make some pretty good educated guesses as to why. You have to really bury your head in the sand, or be a massive doping apologist to sit here and say, "she never tested positive!!" while all those changes were going on... and then she DID test positive.

I get it. Its a short, brutal career and she's up against a bunch of other, potentially, juiced opponents. I wouldn't, but I can see how some people would make the choice. But I don't have to like it.

I agree on the other PEDs being a strong possibility.

My understanding is nandrolone typically used for performance enhancement is detectable multiple months after a dose. This is why it seemed very silly to me she would chose that drug.

That is correct for injection (which was ruled out here because of her negative tests in January 2021), but neither for ingestion of a pill (as suggested during the CAS hearing) nor for using a cream.

When it comes to testing for PEDs, everything is EXTREMELY complicated. That’s actually the dumbest thing I’ve heard on this entire 29 page thread.

Injectable anabolic steroids/testosterone glow forever - some over a year!

Oral steroids have a much shorter detection window. 19 - Norandrosterone is an oral compound:

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Note that the detection windows are for clinical doses and not microdoses.

Look how short the detection window is for a female microdosing Testosterone in a topical transdermal gel applied daily for 7 days. Paired blood and urine samples were used:

Now we know why female athletes dope a lot with androgens. 😉

Not so complicated as that she tested positive in both samples for a banned substance, which wasn't contested. You've just broken your own record for stupidity.

Doesn't matter because she was framed. Please keep it up because you are giving her encouragement to crush your girl.

Yeah, she was framed like Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin and Lance Armstrong were. My girl? Unlike you, I am not a simpering fan of anyone.

does anyone have links to before and after pics? What Shelby looked like before taking drugs and after? Does she look all that different like people are saying?

There weren't any "uncertainties". That's what a finding of intentional violation of the rules means. It means exactly what it says. She was guilty. There is nothing uncertain about that finding, nothing ambiguous or inconclusive.

You’re not even a regular fan of anyone.

Actually the CAS found that Houlihan did not establish the source on the balance of probabilities, and the CAS report said that as a direct consequence, intent must be deemed after being presumed. This means exactly what it says.

The presumptions that the AAF was properly reported, and that the ADRV was intentional, spackled over all of the uncertainties, especially for the persuadables like you who haven't yet read any of the relevant reports, rules, and technical guidelines, or any of the criticisms pointing out the uncertainties.

Why do you spend so much time here when you are not a fan of the sport?

How do you know when" before " was?

How do we know? Maybe today is still "before".

No one current. But being a fan isn't necessary to see or understand what goes on in the sport. It usually gets in the road of that.

Most of us like 90% of runners. You like not one runner?