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I'm eating my words now. My apologies to Mr. McGorty. He ran a smart race. Hope he gets in on rankings.

Didn't Woody state flatly "No one wanted to move to Eugene" in a post-race interview this past Winter? Telling.

Because several of the posts I have seen are moronic:

1) Fisher closed in “only 58” because he went 60/60 the previous two laps. Too hard from too far out because he was scared of Woody’s kick

2) Woody closed in 2:55 for the last 1200. That’s good enough to medal no matter how slow the race is

3) He didn’t close as fast as last time he won because the last 1200 was cumulatively faster

4) It’s unlikely he gets a race this slow at Worlds and even if he does, it’s likely there are more random injections of pace mid-race that have traditionally sucked the kick out of him. He got lucky that the pacing, albeit slow, was pretty consistent for much of this race.

Won't his ranking improve after this race and beating Fisher?

But it won’t be this slow and he won’t be close enough for 2:55 to medal.

See point #4 above 🫡

Gotta love the Kessler haters on here, just turned 20 in March, inexperienced in crowded slow fields, yes.. enough pop to get by..yes again..Teare out, yes..only matters to make a final, not one guy in this field left has run 1:45.80, he had run left at end. Hocker ran a perfect race. Kessler had 4thfastest closing 300. With little room, his own fault.

Yes Fisher misjudged it, but it’s a little hard to blame him overall. Did anyone see McGorty being able to nearly beat Klecker? Though Fisher trains with him so maybe he should’ve. The move killed Chelimos bid, but yeah it was far too late and whatever to beat Woody/Klecker who are super strong right now. A fitter Fisher like last year has better than a 58 to close that out, let’s be honest. Woody probably still wins but the other 2 guys?

Need Gault on the case. The time was very slow, but he will get points for place. I’d say I’m pretty confident he’ll get in.

It doesn’t seem like it. I’m not confident that this article has the specifics correct (I’m not sure that McGorty won’t qualify based on ranking, seems like he might) but I do trust that his race tonight will yield less than 1197 points and thus not improve his ranking:

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2023 USAs Men's 5K/10K Preview: Who Will Be the Odd Men Out in Star-Studded Fields?

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Between Grant Fisher, Paul Chelimo, Woody Kincaid, Joe Klecker, and Abdihamid Nur, there is a lot of talent in these fields which means someone very good could be left off the team.

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Nathosha Rogers is in a similar spot to McGorty, no?

Chelimo hurt his chances in the 5000 tonight. Hindsight—He should have put all of his eggs in that basket.

Doesn’t matter much but this is factually inaccurate.

I don’t know that he did. Chelimo strikes me as a person that can recover fast enough (see recent close 5000m races) that this might have helped prep him.

Still, it’s a loaded field with some unhappy campers after today.

Sean McGorty would've needed to have run 27:51.14 for third if he wanted to move up the world rankings to get into the top 27. Zerei Kbrom Mezngi, from Norway, has a world ranking score of 1216 and he's the cut off runner (assuming the Oceanian champion Tim Vincent decides to run). You get 70 placing points on top of your performance score for finishing third in a World Athletics Silver level meet like an outdoor national championships. 27:51.14 is 1146 points for performance score+70 points for placing score is 1216. His highest score is his 27:46.30 from Worlds last year where he got 12th which gives him an extra 65 points for his placing which is 1218 points combined. 1218+1216= 2434 2434/2=1217, just above Mezngi's rankings score.

Rogers needs more scratches due to the XC stuff. It’s murkier, but Rojo at least is of the belief that there will be. For McGorty I see only 1 scratch needed. That seems definite with a bunch of 5K/road guys who could opt out.

I watched the Teare thing again and why Jerry’s race plan wasn’t to have Teare do exactly what Henry Wynne did I don’t know. Teare is in much better form but Wynne had a huge margin because he went at 600 to go.

Matters to me, who is it? My fault if not right.

Bro Fisher did not go to early as you seem to imply. He went 65/60/59/58; his last lap was his fastest. McGorty, Klecker, and Kincaid are faster than him so the only for him to outkick them was to push the pace before the bell. He should have went sooner; he should have run a ~62 instead of a 65 and then the last lap run ~59. He probably still would have lost but it would have been closer.

The guy with the freaking Olympic gold medal?