breaking news: trump indicted

What the hell is this?

It's like you are afraid of recrimination so you plead the 5th, say nothing, and just hand over documents.

Give it up. It's not working. I say this with no malice and out of genuine concern.

You’re saying that Trump’s Department of Justice had hundreds of pages of evidence against HRC but never brought charges, despite the calls of “lock her up” during his campaign because why? He’s soft on crime? Doesn’t care about campaign pledges? Has no real concern about justice beyond scoring political points?

You got downvoted because your post is meaningless. "I heard that some guy said something." A normal person would take the effort and type at least a few sentences explaining what you heard and why it matters. But you didn't do that.

100% Correct. Blame the Communists because thats what the data shows.

Judges are usually randomly assigned unless there is a particular reason a specific judge should hear a case, like previous experience with the subject matter. The district court may have given it to Cannon because of the prior cases she had with the search warrant.

You guys are talking to yourselves. Op checked out the second she posted the thread

This cut n paste stuff is his MO. He does it on the Russian and Covid thread too. When the lies get debunked with truth he can’t be called out on it later because he says I just posted the article and said it was good. it’s not my article. I didn’t write it.

Right wingers understandably can’t defend what is in that indictment. it is 100% indefensible. That’s why you are getting crazy distractions

(although Gym Jordan gave it a college try this morning by saying Trump can put those boxes wherever he damn well wants to. ugh. No Gym. He can’t)

The law and the 11th circuit court of appeals stops her. This judge appears to have some bias for Trump and a poor understanding of law, but even armed with that, she can't arbitrarily dismiss a case without setting forth reasons. There are no legal reasons to dismiss in this case. None.

The judge may exclude some evidence down the road, such as the communications between Trump and his lawyers, but that won't amount to a dismissal. Trump's only hope is having a hardcore fan on the jury (like some of the deluded nitwits in this thread) who ignores the law and their oath. That's a rare thing.

For those too lazy to read it or want to hear it while driving. Here someone reads it to you.

Listen to the Indictment - The Bulwark

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Listen to the Indictment

Charlie Sykes

A reading of the classified documents indictment against former President Donald Trump.

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Hillary tried to wipe her had drive to cover up the evidence what she had done. Clearly not being up front. And Biden had all his lawyers go through the documents prior to letting the FBI, not to mention they were stored in unsecured places for decades. Biden's docs were in a garage at the house where his crack addict son on the take from foreign nationals lived. Not exactly examples of being upfront and honest.

Trump was at least president and had much wider leeway and also had declassification privileges'. Neither Biden of Clinton were POTUS when they took the documents.

The but Hillary defense.....It doesn't absolve Trump of crimes he is accused.

Republican running for president should be asked if they will pardon Trump or will dismiss the case if they become president. And Trump should be asked if he will dismiss the case or if he will pardon himself if he becomes president.

They will likely say they will not answer hypotheticals, but I want to see them be asked this question.

I will add that one of things different about America is we do not prosecute the opposing political party when in power. You see this in Banana Republics. Did Trump do something that may be illegal? Probably. But you could prosecute every ex President going back decades if you wanted to do. But we as a country have followed a path of not prosecuting political opponents. Past politicians who have been prosecuted have gone down for crimes like Pedophilia which all Americans strongly oppose. Not situations like, well this might fit in a crime box and we hate the guy so lets nail him. The Democrats driven by their TDS have broken a very important barrier here and now the flood gates have been opened. When the shoe is on the other foot, which it always is eventually get ready for Biden to be prosecuted.

You’re making the case that politicians are immune from justice. Trump wasn’t kidding that he could shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.

Right wingers continue to put forth the idea that this is a banana republic move because we typically don't charge former Presidents. They are right about that. But they miss the fact that the DOJ, National Archives and likely even the FBI all were trying to get the big Orange buffoon to just give back the documents so they would not have to take it to the next step. This went on and on and on. He simply would not do it. He even lied to his own attorneys because he wanted the documents so bad.

It is like a bank thief that the police decide to let go if he returns the money but he tells them to go to hell and says it is mine. He forced them to charge him. It is 100% his fault.

We would be a banana republic if we did not charge under Trumps circumstances.

Nevertheless, we will soon learn what Trump wanted the documents for. And this will get even worse for Trump.

The only thing you would have a clear legal case against multiple American Presidents and their admins for is war/human rights crimes, and there is a strong bi-partisan agreement never to bring such cases (not least because they US barely recognizes the concept of war crimes/crimes again humanity as applied to its own imperial conduct). Obama was handed everything he needed to prosecute members of the Bush administration wrt to war crimes, and he pointedly declined to act (in fact, he would eventually double-down himself on said crimes).

Domestic crimes by Presidents-- and in particular crimes that seriously threaten the established rules of the partisan game, or the prerogatives of the US security state-- are uncharted waters in US politics, waters that Trump has chosen to brazenly ply (Nixon tried, but covertly, then resigned when he realized he'd failed).

Because Trump observes no norms or boundaries in his pursuit of personal aggrandizement, he must and will be reigned in by the political establishment he has tried to flout. It is not hard at all to imagine what Trump had in mind in holding onto those sensitive docs. Official secrecy in the US has little to do with "national security" vis a vis other countries. America's allies and enemies already know exactly what it is up to and what it can do. But ordinary Americans don't, or choose not to. Trump's plan in holding onto the docs was quite clearly to create maximum mayhem within the US political establishment, should he not get what he wants. This includes within the GOP, should it ultimately reject him.

The lunatic fringe will continue to introduce false equivalents and to fulminate in defense of Trump, but you can be sure that the political establishment, including within the Congressional GOP (because is still represents rich and powerful class interests in the country) is privately relieved the at the prospect of Trump's being reigned in. Mitt Romney revealed this when he said, simply, "Trump brought these charges on himself".

I think it would be best for the country if Trump were to be repudiated by the American people via the ballot box. But he's made it impossible for the legal and political establishment not to act against him before this has a chance to happen.

And he would not have lasted as long as he has in a political system like the one he and some of his hardline supporters fantasize about. When you lose in the context of a genuinely authoritarian system, they don't afford you due process before consigning you to the sh*t pile of history-- or worse. Trump, the Proud Boys, et al, are getting a much better deal than they'd grant anyone else, were the tables turned.

https://twitter.com/kevintober94/status/1667886566960775169?s=61

Still amusing to listen to MAGAts talk trash about the FBI when it was the FBI (Comey) that literally gave the election to Trump.

Are you saying that Trump didn’t do anything wrong (like he says) or that he did commit crimes but he shouldn’t be prosecuted because you feel others got away with crimes?