FSD is amazing and worth several times what I paid.
The Mach-e will never be able to drive itself. And because it doesn't have the FSD computer or FSD software, it can't avoid accidents like a Tesla.
A Tesla is already the safest car you can buy. But over time, it just gets safer and safer as FSD improves.
Sounds boring. I love driving. Riding my motorcycle too. On the street or on the track both. Driven 170+ in a NASCAR car at Daytona. Taking a few risks in life makes it worth living.
Riding the mad tea party ride at Disney is enough excitement for FAt Hurts.
I bought my Model Y when it was $16,000 cheaper than today. And it's worth infinitely more than a Mach-e. FSD alone is worth more than the cost of a Mach-e.
Your failure to grasp time of use charging gives me no confidence in your ability to understand anything else about EVs.
You can’t be this stupid. Not only did you overpay for a vehicle that is inferior to the Mach-e, you then doubled down on stupid and paid for FSD?
And you want to tell me how I could save a few bucks? Lol
Go and drive a Mach-e. You’ll want to get rid of that model y as soon as you can. It’s that much better of a vehicle.
EVs have a much lower total cost of ownership. That fact is well documented.
Until the batteries go out. In ten years or 100,000 miles (if they are lucky), there is about a $15,000 battery replacement cost one has to anticipate. Additionally, that cost of ownership is predicated on current electric prices. If we do go to an electric grid full of renewables and battery storage, the cost of that electricity will likely triple or more (more as a result of the batteries than the wind / solar). The reason renewables are so "cheap" today is because they are complemented by natural gas turbines that fill in the voids in the power production. Most people (yourself included and politicians on the left who are approving the 100% renewable standards) do not understand the insanely high costs associated with reliance on batteries to provide storage. When those two factors are taken into account, the economics of EVs are not quite as shiny as you imply.
Fat Hurts just got taken out to the woodshed. Ouch!
I've been a Tesla bull for a long time, but everyone knows it's a very volatile stock.
Here it is:
'If Tesla makes unreliable cars, the market will eventually realize that fact, people will stop buying Teslas, and the stock will go down."
Me: Have you seen their stock lately?
You: Yes, I made a lot from it
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The stock has gone down a ton, so based on what you said, Tesla makes unreliable cars and people have stopped buying them? 🤡
Your arguments and generalizations suck
Tesla stock is up about 800% in the last two years, so I don't know where you got the idea that it has gone down a ton. I've never said I thought it would go down.
When I said what you quoted I was exposing Sally as a liar. He says he's a shareholder in Tesla, but he also thinks they make unreliable cars. Both can not be true unless Sally is the worst investor of all time.
The "green movement" hasn't shunned Nuclear Power any more or less than everyone else.
Nuclear power, in it's current state, is expensive and impossible to build. As such it gets brought up as a talking point to score points against the "greenies" while anyone worth listening to knows it isn't viable.
It's a way for the "anti-green movement" parties to act like they care solving the emissions problem while shifting the blame for it not getting solved onto "the others".
It’s expensive and takes a long time to build nuclear power plants because people don’t want them built is all.
There is some truth to that. But it's a hard problem to solve in a democracy.
Just Google some stats on how long the early Teslas have lasted. Then take into account the advances in the technology since then, which will make EVs last even longer. After that, take a look at LFP batteries, which many believe should last a million miles. Over half of Teslas cars are now equipped with LFP batteries.
I've talked about all that stuff before. So yes, I have backed up my assertions.
I see way more cars that are 20-40 years old than 20-40 year old Teslas. Oh they didn't make em back then? Cool. So turns out gas cars are more reliable and depending on which one you buy are more cost effective. 🥱
Sounds boring. I love driving. Riding my motorcycle too. On the street or on the track both. Driven 170+ in a NASCAR car at Daytona. Taking a few risks in life makes it worth living.
Riding the mad tea party ride at Disney is enough excitement for FAt Hurts.
Hey, I love that ride!
And I love letting my Model Y drive me to Disney World.
'If Tesla makes unreliable cars, the market will eventually realize that fact, people will stop buying Teslas, and the stock will go down."
Me: Have you seen their stock lately?
You: Yes, I made a lot from it
--I bu
The stock has gone down a ton, so based on what you said, Tesla makes unreliable cars and people have stopped buying them? 🤡
Your arguments and generalizations suck
Tesla stock is up about 800% in the last two years, so I don't know where you got the idea that it has gone down a ton. I've never said I thought it would go down.
When I said what you quoted I was exposing Sally as a liar. He says he's a shareholder in Tesla, but he also thinks they make unreliable cars. Both can not be true unless Sally is the worst investor of all time.
I am not a big fan of Microsoft. But I understand how well the stock has done the last 30 years. You can be a not-so-strident advocate of the product but still understand the likelihood of how it will do over the next 30 years. Again, I am owner of Telsa mainly by my index fund ownership but I do own some Tesla outright. I buy investments based on how the price will do in the future. Even if I don't like the product but anticipate the price going up i would be foolish not to buy.
Sounds boring. I love driving. Riding my motorcycle too. On the street or on the track both. Driven 170+ in a NASCAR car at Daytona. Taking a few risks in life makes it worth living.
Riding the mad tea party ride at Disney is enough excitement for FAt Hurts.
Tesla stock is up about 800% in the last two years, so I don't know where you got the idea that it has gone down a ton. I've never said I thought it would go down.
When I said what you quoted I was exposing Sally as a liar. He says he's a shareholder in Tesla, but he also thinks they make unreliable cars. Both can not be true unless Sally is the worst investor of all time.
I am not a big fan of Microsoft. But I understand how well the stock has done the last 30 years. You can be a not-so-strident advocate of the product but still understand the likelihood of how it will do over the next 30 years. Again, I am owner of Telsa mainly by my index fund ownership but I do own some Tesla outright. I buy investments based on how the price will do in the future. Even if I don't like the product but anticipate the price going up i would be foolish not to buy.
I see. So you pay no attention to the fundamentals of the company. You just play hunches.
'If Tesla makes unreliable cars, the market will eventually realize that fact, people will stop buying Teslas, and the stock will go down."
Me: Have you seen their stock lately?
You: Yes, I made a lot from it
--
The stock has gone down a ton, so based on what you said, Tesla makes unreliable cars and people have stopped buying them? 🤡
Your arguments and generalizations suck
Tesla stock is up about 800% in the last two years, so I don't know where you got the idea that it has gone down a ton. I've never said I thought it would go down.
When I said what you quoted I was exposing Sally as a liar. He says he's a shareholder in Tesla, but he also thinks they make unreliable cars. Both can not be true unless Sally is the worst investor of all time.
Search TSLA. And I quoted you as saying 'If Tesla makes unreliable cars, the market will eventually realize that fact, people will stop buying Teslas, and the stock will go down."
So you're contradicting yourself.
Sally can't have Tesla stock and think the cars are unreliable? I have stock and think they are unreliable. Makes me a liar?
Your generalizations are awful. Just reading this thread makes me want to get a Mach E 😂
What makes you think he wouldn’t make the switch. He keeps on making offers to buy mine.
Just think. If you had test driven a Mach-e before overpaying so much for your model y, you’d be driving a Mach-e right now too and you’d be qualified to be in this discussion.
After dinner tonight, my wife and I went for ice cream at Bruster's. I brought out our cones out to the car. We sat in air conditioned comfort as we watched one of our favorite shows on the Model Y's big screen. It was a nice little outing and it sure is pleasant to have that streaming service right there in the car.
You should try it some time in your Mach-e. Just tape your phone to the screen and squint.
Tesla stock is up about 800% in the last two years, so I don't know where you got the idea that it has gone down a ton. I've never said I thought it would go down.
When I said what you quoted I was exposing Sally as a liar. He says he's a shareholder in Tesla, but he also thinks they make unreliable cars. Both can not be true unless Sally is the worst investor of all time.
Search TSLA. And I quoted you as saying 'If Tesla makes unreliable cars, the market will eventually realize that fact, people will stop buying Teslas, and the stock will go down."
So you're contradicting yourself.
Sally can't have Tesla stock and think the cars are unreliable? I have stock and think they are unreliable. Makes me a liar?
Your generalizations are awful. Just reading this thread makes me want to get a Mach E 😂
You are making no sense at all. There is no contradiction in what I said.
I see way more cars that are 20-40 years old than 20-40 year old Teslas. Oh they didn't make em back then? Cool. So turns out gas cars are more reliable and depending on which one you buy are more cost effective. 🥱
Brilliant!
Thanks, glad you finally came to your senses. Maybe that will convince one less person to buy a new car and save the environment 🌳
I am not a big fan of Microsoft. But I understand how well the stock has done the last 30 years. You can be a not-so-strident advocate of the product but still understand the likelihood of how it will do over the next 30 years. Again, I am owner of Telsa mainly by my index fund ownership but I do own some Tesla outright. I buy investments based on how the price will do in the future. Even if I don't like the product but anticipate the price going up i would be foolish not to buy.
I see. So you pay no attention to the fundamentals of the company. You just play hunches.
Great strategy.
If anyone paid to the fundamentals of Tesla, the stock wouldn't be so inflated 😂
What makes you think he wouldn’t make the switch. He keeps on making offers to buy mine.
Just think. If you had test driven a Mach-e before overpaying so much for your model y, you’d be driving a Mach-e right now too and you’d be qualified to be in this discussion.
After dinner tonight, my wife and I went for ice cream at Bruster's. I brought out our cones out to the car. We sat in air conditioned comfort as we watched one of our favorite shows on the Model Y's big screen. It was a nice little outing and it sure is pleasant to have that streaming service right there in the car.
You should try it some time in your Mach-e. Just tape your phone to the screen and squint.
Seriously. That’s all you could come up with? Sad.