Those poor Russian soldiers that can’t stand near buildings without being fired at. You have the emotional intelligence of a two-year-old.
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A weird trick I learned to avoid killing civilians (and being blamed for it) is to not invade your neighbors without cause.
If you aggressively invade a neighbor, commit to urban warfare, and then feel compelled to level city blocks in service of your imperialist, expansionist, and murderous goals – you are wantonly killing civilians. That's all there is to it.
If the world was a 2nd grade classroom you'd have a point.
It is not and you don't.
Your Ukrainian heroes were shelling Ukrainian cities way back a few months ago when you didn't even know Ukraine existed.
While much of the world is focused on Covid-related issues, Ukraine's seven-year war on the people of Donbass continues. In recent weeks, Kiev's shelling of civilians has intensified, met by the predictable Western media sile...
There's nothing "emotional" about it. Soldiers will defend themselves. Hamas attacks Israel from schools and hospitals for the EXACT same reason Ukrainians defend themselves from hospitals and schools. Dead women and children are great for recruiting people with the "emotional intelligence of a two-year old" to your cause.
That is what I mean. You are not able to connect to what is going on.
The innocent people being killed you think is a tool Ukrainians are using to drive home a message you don't agree with. Read over what you wrote, you are a very sick individual.
It is kind of sick seeing those apartment buildings bombed from a distance and trying to justify it by saying the Russians were the ones trying to defend themselves? Wow.
That is what I mean. You are not able to connect to what is going on.
The innocent people being killed you think is a tool Ukrainians are using to drive home a message you don't agree with. Read over what you wrote, you are a very sick individual.
It is kind of sick seeing those apartment buildings bombed from a distance and trying to justify it by saying the Russians were the ones trying to defend themselves? Wow.
This is the problem with people who know literally nothing about warfare forming opinions about warfare.
Artillery is an indirect fire weapon. That means the artillery isn't looking directly at what it is shooting at.
The unit in contact will call the artillery and request fire support. The artillery will then shoot where they were asked to shoot.
There is no committee. There is no UN quorum. They just shoot. It is up to the guy calling for fire to decide if the target is valid. If he's being killed by people inside the building... even if it's a church he will defend himself.
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.
It is kind of sick seeing those apartment buildings bombed from a distance and trying to justify it by saying the Russians were the ones trying to defend themselves? Wow.
This is the problem with people who know literally nothing about warfare forming opinions about warfare.
Artillery is an indirect fire weapon. That means the artillery isn't looking directly at what it is shooting at.
The unit in contact will call the artillery and request fire support. The artillery will then shoot where they were asked to shoot.
There is no committee. There is no UN quorum. They just shoot. It is up to the guy calling for fire to decide if the target is valid. If he's being killed by people inside the building... even if it's a church he will defend himself.
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.
adult are you claiming that the russians are not using indiscriminate shelling?
your view is that russia uses precision artillery? Have you seen pix of the remains of mariopol? or grozhny? or cities in syria? they are blasting away at population centers, not targeting UKR positions.
That is what I mean. You are not able to connect to what is going on.
The innocent people being killed you think is a tool Ukrainians are using to drive home a message you don't agree with. Read over what you wrote, you are a very sick individual.
You're completely swept up in the PR campaign and wholly unaware that a PR campaign even exists...
There's a reason people de-humanize the "enemy" in conflict. You being ignorant to the realities of war doesn't make the people who understand them "sick".
War bad. Peace good. We all get it. The truth you've stumbled upon isn't nearly as clever or original as you seem to think it is.
Here is a challenge for you. Answer the two questions questions with a "yes" or "no." No other answer is required. I bet you can't do it without trying to explain yourself. This is as easy as it gets.
1) Are Russian soldiers currently killing women and children in Ukraine?
2) Are Ukrainian soldiers currently killing Russian women and children in Russia?
This is the problem with people who know literally nothing about warfare forming opinions about warfare.
Artillery is an indirect fire weapon. That means the artillery isn't looking directly at what it is shooting at.
The unit in contact will call the artillery and request fire support. The artillery will then shoot where they were asked to shoot.
There is no committee. There is no UN quorum. They just shoot. It is up to the guy calling for fire to decide if the target is valid. If he's being killed by people inside the building... even if it's a church he will defend himself.
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.
adult are you claiming that the russians are not using indiscriminate shelling?
your view is that russia uses precision artillery? Have you seen pix of the remains of mariopol? or grozhny? or cities in syria? they are blasting away at population centers, not targeting UKR positions.
I don't know if they are or not. I do know every other military in human history has done it. I know the morons in the media calling it "indiscriminate" have no idea what they're talking about.
I know the Ukrainians themselves did it to Donbass for over 7 years.
You're completely swept up in the PR campaign and wholly unaware that a PR campaign even exists...
There's a reason people de-humanize the "enemy" in conflict. You being ignorant to the realities of war doesn't make the people who understand them "sick".
War bad. Peace good. We all get it. The truth you've stumbled upon isn't nearly as clever or original as you seem to think it is.
Here is a challenge for you. Answer the two questions questions with a "yes" or "no." No other answer is required. I bet you can't do it without trying to explain yourself. This is as easy as it gets.
1) Are Russian soldiers currently killing women and children in Ukraine?
2) Are Ukrainian soldiers currently killing Russian women and children in Russia?
Ukrainian soldiers haven't been killing pro-Russian women and children in Donbass for 7 years.
You sound like Putin with you dishonest loaded propaganda questions.
You're completely swept up in the PR campaign and wholly unaware that a PR campaign even exists...
There's a reason people de-humanize the "enemy" in conflict. You being ignorant to the realities of war doesn't make the people who understand them "sick".
War bad. Peace good. We all get it. The truth you've stumbled upon isn't nearly as clever or original as you seem to think it is.
Here is a challenge for you. Answer the two questions questions with a "yes" or "no." No other answer is required. I bet you can't do it without trying to explain yourself. This is as easy as it gets.
1) Are Russian soldiers currently killing women and children in Ukraine?
2) Are Ukrainian soldiers currently killing Russian women and children in Russia?
I'll spell it out since you're really slow.
NEITHER side should be doing it.
BOTH sides have been.
Pretending only 1 side does it is pure PROPAGANDA.
This is the problem with people who know literally nothing about warfare forming opinions about warfare.
Artillery is an indirect fire weapon. That means the artillery isn't looking directly at what it is shooting at.
The unit in contact will call the artillery and request fire support. The artillery will then shoot where they were asked to shoot.
There is no committee. There is no UN quorum. They just shoot. It is up to the guy calling for fire to decide if the target is valid. If he's being killed by people inside the building... even if it's a church he will defend himself.
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.
adult are you claiming that the russians are not using indiscriminate shelling?
your view is that russia uses precision artillery? Have you seen pix of the remains of mariopol? or grozhny? or cities in syria? they are blasting away at population centers, not targeting UKR positions.
By nature, shelling is somewhat indiscriminate. You aim. You miss. Sometimes a lot. Some ordinance is launched miles away with no line of sight.
But one can probably and reasonably argue the Russians are aiming for targets which it would seem they ought not to.
We don't have much real information. We have self-serving claims and supposition.
A sniper on the roof of an apartment building makes the building a target. It's urban warfare. There are certain to be military targets just about everywhere.
The real issue for a lot of folks is not civilian casualties and property damage.
It is with Russians doing it. There is enormous precedent for Israelis, Americans, Ukrainians, and pretty much everyone who ever launched a projectile doing exactly the same. Calling it "whataboutism" doesn't make it untrue.
There is a convenient double standard. It doesn't make it right. But it makes it hypocritical.
Are we still calling Russia a 'world power'? Seriously! All the bluster and hype and the Russian military by all accounts is an extra corrupt and incompetent version of Hogan's Heroes.
any country with a big nuclear arsenal that invades one country after the next is a world power.
NATO only exists because nations fear being attacked by Russia. Russia is, indeed, a world power.
Russia is a threat to children in countries on their border. That does not make Russia a world power. This Ukraine invasion is a de-pantsing for the Russians who pretended or were dumb enough to think it was.
Here is a challenge for you. Answer the two questions questions with a "yes" or "no." No other answer is required. I bet you can't do it without trying to explain yourself. This is as easy as it gets.
1) Are Russian soldiers currently killing women and children in Ukraine?
2) Are Ukrainian soldiers currently killing Russian women and children in Russia?
I'll spell it out since you're really slow.
NEITHER side should be doing it.
BOTH sides have been.
Pretending only 1 side does it is pure PROPAGANDA.
Here is a challenge for you. Answer the two questions questions with a "yes" or "no." No other answer is required. I bet you can't do it without trying to explain yourself. This is as easy as it gets.
1) Are Russian soldiers currently killing women and children in Ukraine?
2) Are Ukrainian soldiers currently killing Russian women and children in Russia?
Ukrainian soldiers haven't been killing pro-Russian women and children in Donbass for 7 years.
You sound like Putin with you dishonest loaded propaganda questions.
No Ukrainian soldier has ever invaded Russia.
The accounts in Donbas are are conflicting but it appears nether side targeted civilians on purpose.
Mariupol is completely obliterated. They are not missing targets and hitting every single building in the entire city.
According to Roman Tsymbaliuk, who was said to have been the last Ukrainian journalist in Russia before fleeing the country in January, Medvedev was run over by one of his own soldiers.
NATO estimates tremendous russian losses. Not sure exactly how RU keeps advancing here. Soon it will run out of missiles. I'm sure it's putting 50 year old unmaintained vehicles into service - those won't last on the battlefield.
WSJ:
NATO estimates Russia may have lost as much as one-fifth of its combat forces in about a month of fighting in Ukraine as President Biden and alliance leaders gather in Brussels for a summit to discuss providing further support to Kyiv to repel the Russian invasion. Up to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded, taken prisoner or are missing in Ukraine, said a senior military official from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Russia may also have lost 10% of its equipment, impairing Moscow’s ability to maintain its pace of operations, said another NATO official.
40,000 casualties... LOL!
Hey Putestereenie! Yeah, you. You know who you are.
Here is a list of 15 dead scumbags within that 40,000. Those Russians are gone. They will never return. They can't even come back, fight like idiots, and then run way like cowards. Their ability to do what most Russian soldiers do have been eliminated.
Russia has around 15,000 dead, another 5000 injured or deserted or captured. Do you dispute those numbers?
Common sense disputes those numbers...
WIA is very very rarely lower than the KIA and you're assuming the Ukrainian numbers are accurate. Ukraine has no idea. Even if they did they would inflate them.
The latest NATO estimates on Russian casualties are out to lunch. They are even higher than Ukraine estimates.
Back in grade school, the Math teacher said "show your work!" or you were marked wrong. All we have is a number with nothing demonstrable to back it up.
If NATO were impartial arbiters of fact here, where are the estimates of Ukraine Combat losses? Oh wait, they refuse to provide them.
From Wiki...
"According to the Department of Peace and Conflict Research... Ukraine’s government was engaged in a misinformation campaign aimed to boost morale and Western media was generally happy to accept its claims"
Hey Putestereenie! Yeah, you. You know who you are.
Here is a list of 15 dead scumbags within that 40,000. Those Russians are gone. They will never return. They can't even come back, fight like idiots, and then run way like cowards. Their ability to do what most Russian soldiers do have been eliminated.
Read, weep, go home devastated, attempt to alleviate desperate feelings by drinking light beer, post some useless dodge and tangent, repeat.
I'll answer this from the persepective of our top two posters:
Adult in the Room - These poor Russian leaders had nowhere to hide. They left themselves vulnerable by not obliterating enough schools, grocery stores, hospitals, theaters, churches, and resdential buildings.
Ernest - These guys were just doing their job killing children like all other leaders in every war.
Another unreadable thread because TheChildInTheBasement can't resist the urge to make every second post....
...didn't your daddy tell you that everything is not about you..?
Which is one of the goals of the tankie sock puppets.
Who does this sound like?
Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda: - High-volume and multichannel - Rapid, continuous, and repetitive - Lacks commitment to objective reality - Lacks commitment to consistency.
Adult in Room, Ernest and Wiglet go home feeling all devastated.
I've stated I have no horse in this race. I am the side of facts, wherever that leads.
Also as stated, I'm a pacifist. Unlike some, I celebrate no one's death nor hope for more.
You actually thinks being neutral (or pretending to be neutral, in your case) is an attractive or quality personality trait?
Again, the Mr. Spock act you do, in between bouts of Putin apology, is even creepier than just being an all-around pro-Putin d!ckhead like your buddy Wigins.
Here, read and consider this quote below. I'm sure you hate the guy, but here it is anyway - a notion that may save your miserable soul.
"We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."
