nontrumper wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Schiff is still going on TV convinced that collusion has been established despite Mueller finding the exact opposite.
Again, quit sucking the Barr teat. His summary was not the Mueller report. You have no clue as to what Mueller found.
But hell, I don't have any clue either so I'll shut my damn trapper.
Fat hurts wrote:
Correct. Conway is not dumb to say those things. It is her job.
But you are really dumb if you believe it.
The law explicitly says that congress has the right to see anyone's tax returns. It is part of their oversight responsibility under the constitution. End of story.
I'd hesitate to put a percentage on it, but both sides of the political spectrum believe a lot of complete falsehoods and half truths regarding what is fact and isn't.
Whatever is going to happen with Trump's tax returns, which has been something I've been hoping to be revealed for many years, is likely going to be tied up legally beyond the 2020 election.
agip wrote:
the nation believes in D policy more than it believes in R policy.
if the Ds would just focus on the normal stuff that people believe in...and not radical change...they would win.
They need to stop talking about eliminating the electoral college, free college, etc.
Just use the policies americans like. Gun control, environmentalism, sensible immigration, etc. Be decent, good government people. Not pushing radical change. We are tired and wary of radical change after 2 yrs of trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/democratic-positions-majority/index.html
I think those are just cheap attempts to grab attention from a smaller more liberal section of the base. Keep in mind that most people don’t follow the news, they will just vote for heir party ticket most of the time. With that said I’m confident Trump has campaigned hard enough for Dems and will continue to shoot himself in the foot right up until election. People are way too fired up, sure there will be the usual primaries drama but in the end Dems will be out there to expel this cancer.
agip wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Schiff is still going on TV convinced that collusion has been established despite Mueller finding the exact opposite. He’s a truther and a deranged conspiracy theorist. The more you libs let this fraud speak on your behalf, the more discredited and disgraced you become.
Don't be collusion troofers.
hey rigged what do you call:
1) meeting with russian intelligence to try to obtain dirt on your opponent and then lying to cover it up
2) meeting with russian intelligence and handing over internal campaign polling data
3) handing over to russian intelligence classified information your allies don't even get
4) lying to the american people to hide your business interests in russia and considering bribing putin to get more money out of it.
Just wondering. Those are indisputable facts. So what do you call that? Is it collusion? Or something else?
"I better dodge this one," says Rigged.
another rat fleeing the sinking ship
This one wasn't corrupt, apparently, so she couldn't find a home in the trump administration.
Sure, she lied left and right and made stuff up to avoid dealing with the human garbage chute of DJT, but it doesn't appear that she had actual corruption on her brief. Amazing for a trump cabinet member. Her and Rick Perry. Long live those two.
Oh yeah did I mention she separated kids from parents FOREVER and put kids into cages? Did I forget that one?
These people are stained for life.
Looks like yet another 'acting' administration officer.
Evidently, hardcore racist, Stephen Miller is the one who convinced Trump to fire Nielsen. The word is that he convinced Trump to take a more hardline approach to immigration, and further separate families, and Nielsen was reluctant to follow through.
agip wrote:
another rat fleeing the sinking ship
This one wasn't corrupt, apparently, so she couldn't find a home in the trump administration.
Sure, she lied left and right and made stuff up to avoid dealing with the human garbage chute of DJT, but it doesn't appear that she had actual corruption on her brief. Amazing for a trump cabinet member. Her and Rick Perry. Long live those two.
Oh yeah did I mention she separated kids from parents FOREVER and put kids into cages? Did I forget that one?
These people are stained for life.
Looks like yet another 'acting' administration officer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/04/07/kirstjen-nielsen-to-leave-position-as-secretary-of-homeland-security-amid-spike-in-migrant-families-at-u-s-mexico-border/?utm_term=.19f191ca6537
Just dropping by--I haven't stopped in for weeks.
I haven't read the posts that have been left since then. It's hard for me to imagine that in essence they'd be much different from what they were before: "Fuck Trump and the people who voted for him." "Fuck the libs who hate America." Ho hum.
I know that others (and I) have said this before: If you were to grade the Trump Administration, and you gave it an "A" or an "F" . . . then you seriously need to rethink. Either of those extreme grades would be a "religious" statement--not the result of a rational examination of available evidence.
You can love Trump et al. or hate them, but grownups need to know that this administration--like pretty much everything else in grownupland--is messy, and has good and bad elements.
Okay, I'll check back with you all again once track season is over. I imagine that this thread will still be here, and that nothing much will have changed. Have fun.
fdasafds wrote:
Have fun.
No mom-control is required in this thread. So, give it a rest.
YOU can love trump & treason.
Or love the Constitution & dump him.
The Fokus wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Correct. Conway is not dumb to say those things. It is her job.
But you are really dumb if you believe it.
The law explicitly says that congress has the right to see anyone's tax returns. It is part of their oversight responsibility under the constitution. End of story.
I'd hesitate to put a percentage on it, but both sides of the political spectrum believe a lot of complete falsehoods and half truths regarding what is fact and isn't.
Whatever is going to happen with Trump's tax returns, which has been something I've been hoping to be revealed for many years, is likely going to be tied up legally beyond the 2020 election.
I don't think it will take very long at all. It's a simple ruling that may or may not go to the supreme court. I'm guessing 2 to 3 months at most.
A delayed ruling will hinder the work of congress, so there is a pretty strong incentive for the courts to act quickly.
Fat hurts wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
I'd hesitate to put a percentage on it, but both sides of the political spectrum believe a lot of complete falsehoods and half truths regarding what is fact and isn't.
Whatever is going to happen with Trump's tax returns, which has been something I've been hoping to be revealed for many years, is likely going to be tied up legally beyond the 2020 election.
I don't think it will take very long at all. It's a simple ruling that may or may not go to the supreme court. I'm guessing 2 to 3 months at most.
A delayed ruling will hinder the work of congress, so there is a pretty strong incentive for the courts to act quickly.
It will never go to the Supreme Court.
WTF? I though Nielsen was one of The Best People?
Make Law wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I don't think it will take very long at all. It's a simple ruling that may or may not go to the supreme court. I'm guessing 2 to 3 months at most.
A delayed ruling will hinder the work of congress, so there is a pretty strong incentive for the courts to act quickly.
It will never go to the Supreme Court.
the problem with the law is that it has no penalty cited, and no time limit. So some judge will have to stand up and say 'ok, someone is going to jail or is going to pay a daily fine until this law is obeyed.'
agip wrote:
Make Law wrote:
It will never go to the Supreme Court.
the problem with the law is that it has no penalty cited, and no time limit. So some judge will have to stand up and say 'ok, someone is going to jail or is going to pay a daily fine until this law is obeyed.'
The response time is immediate. 6103(f)(1).
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103The next financial crisis is brewing and the accelerated deregulation is heating it up.
The 2008 crisis happened because home mortgages were being sold to people without credit checks or sufficient income to make payments.
These loans were packaged in collateral debt obligations and sold to deflect risk yet actually placed risk into all financial institutions.
As more and more loans defaulted, it started bringing down big companies and the government had to step in and rescue them.
Now with the help of lax Trump regulations, loans are being given out at a high rate to cash strapped companies to make leveraged buyouts or to inject cash to keep businesses going.
The loans are then sold of as collateralized loan obligations (sounds familiar) and the risk is dump off of them and mixed into other institutions.
For it to work, there must be constant growth. Any slow down of the economy and defaults will happen and that can spiral out of control.
Just like 2008.
There’s your bubble.
When will it pop?
agip wrote:
the problem with the law is that it has no penalty cited, and no time limit. So some judge will have to stand up and say 'ok, someone is going to jail or is going to pay a daily fine until this law is obeyed.'
The issue is going to get tied up in the courts whether any Dem wants to live in fantasy land or not. Couple of issues would be whether the House can actually sue in the first place on this issue which the courts could be asked to rule on and then there is the issue of whether it is being done for reasons other than political which could also get it tied up in the courts and not at the same time.
We are a long way from any of Trump's tax returns being turned over to Congress and, in particular, from them being made public.
The lack of transparency can be used as an effective political weapon if it inspires more Dems to get thee to the polls in 2020.
The Fokus wrote:
agip wrote:
the problem with the law is that it has no penalty cited, and no time limit. So some judge will have to stand up and say 'ok, someone is going to jail or is going to pay a daily fine until this law is obeyed.'
The issue is going to get tied up in the courts whether any Dem wants to live in fantasy land or not. Couple of issues would be whether the House can actually sue in the first place on this issue which the courts could be asked to rule on and then there is the issue of whether it is being done for reasons other than political which could also get it tied up in the courts and not at the same time.
We are a long way from any of Trump's tax returns being turned over to Congress and, in particular, from them being made public.
The lack of transparency can be used as an effective political weapon if it inspires more Dems to get thee to the polls in 2020.
The Federal law about the tax returns is crystal clear. "Upon request" the documents "shall" be provided. There is no ambiguity for any court to determine something else.
Dems can obtain the tax returns from the State of New York. State tax returns have to include part of the Federal tax returns. The rationale is the same. A state has in their records a return that must be provided to Congress. Trump has zero options at the state level to keep breaking the law.
Did you know that the reason Nielsen got fired by Trump was her telling Trump she could not proceed with his demands because some of them were illegal? The point is, guess who keeps insisting on breaking laws?
agip wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Schiff is still going on TV convinced that collusion has been established despite Mueller finding the exact opposite. He’s a truther and a deranged conspiracy theorist. The more you libs let this fraud speak on your behalf, the more discredited and disgraced you become.
Don't be collusion troofers.
hey rigged what do you call:
1) meeting with russian intelligence to try to obtain dirt on your opponent and then lying to cover it up
2) meeting with russian intelligence and handing over internal campaign polling data
3) handing over to russian intelligence classified information your allies don't even get
4) lying to the american people to hide your business interests in russia and considering bribing putin to get more money out of it.
Just wondering. Those are indisputable facts. So what do you call that? Is it collusion? Or something else?
I call it ZERO.
ZERO indictments for collusion, obstruction or conspiracy. ZERO. No amount of screeching and denials will prevent your unfounded, deranged conspiracy theories from being remembered as such.
Troofers lose
Mueller never
http://www.graphic-buffet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Character_Clown-example.jpg-pole forever
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
I call it ZERO.
ZERO indictments for collusion, obstruction or conspiracy. ZERO. No amount of screeching and denials will prevent your unfounded, deranged conspiracy theories from being remembered as such.
You have not provided the link to the unreacted Mueller Report proving your claiming. Provide the link, or it did not happen.
Certainly Not Skuj wrote:
WTF? I though Nielsen was one of The Best People?
Simple, she is not a wartime consigliere.
