Trump is the most dishonest and incompetent president that we ever had. His lies are not normal politician lies they are a denial of reality.
The man is unstable
Trump is the most dishonest and incompetent president that we ever had. His lies are not normal politician lies they are a denial of reality.
The man is unstable
Mr. Lock her up and Mr. spreading of ridiculous false hit pieces is a good one to be ride of.
ItsBaddude wrote:
eric blair wrote:so your basic answer is 'eh - laws are made to be broken - don't worry so much. '
that is Trump's view also, so you two are a nice match.
for those of us who appreciate a government limited by law and rules, it is very worrying.
It is also very worrying to the REPUBLICAN chair of the House Oversight Committee, who told the WH that Conway clearly broke the rule and should be penalized. And te chair, Chaffetz, is a total partisan hack, so you know Conway had to do something serious for him to say something.
Flynn's offense is bad enough that the Justice department told the WH that he could be blackmailed for it. Because obviously Russia knew Flynn had broken the law. Treason is working against your country. We know exactly what Flynn said - he is such a moron that he didn't know he call was being recorded, as all calls to Russian diplomats are. And we know he negotiated against the president of the United States. Obama was trying to do one thing, while Flynn was undermining him. That's not politics - that's treason. There is only one president at a time.
And then Flynn was stupid enough to lie to the VP about the conversation even tho he should have known it was being recorded by our spy services and his lie would be easily shown. No doubt Flynn will lie to us again - he has now shown his character and lost his honor.
And the bigger question is this - did Trump tell Flynn to negotiate against Obama? That would lift this up to the oval office. Is it a high crime or misdemeanor? Probably.
So first your 'so what' excuse is shameful and inappropriate in a democratic republic. And second you are lightfooting what Flynn did.
Bottom line is that Trump has been breaking laws and rules for most of his career. He and his people will continue to break laws rules and norms and lie, because that is the standard he sets.
You want to be on the side of that, fine - but don't pretend you are a conservative. Conservatives don't look the other way like you are doing.
Dude, can you watch the video I just posted. 7 sec out of 1:56 minutes she makes a comment about go buy her stuff. That was not substance of the talk.
What Flynn did, talk to the Russians, is not treason. It *may* have broken some outdated law nobody has even been prosecuted for.
You are raging for no reason. This is all politics.
and now that Flynn has quit maybe you understand he broke a severe rule? Do you feel you have been used? For defending someone even Trump couldn't defend? Your blind loyalty to rump is inappropriate in a democracy.
I just read this is the second flat out lie Flynn told the WH - early days he said that his crazy son did not have a top security clearance. But the son did.
Character is destiny, dude. And that will bring Trump down. He is a liar, a thief, corrupt, a phony. And now his presidency has been brought to a standstill because he surrounds himself with similar types and this is what happens. The badly written and executed travel ban is gone, and all people will talk about is that Trump hired a Nat Sec Advisor who lied to him twice in 2 weeks. And his approval ratings are justifiably the lowest of any new president in modern times.
As for Conway - Unless I misunderstand you, you're basically saying 'I was shopping fro 3 hours and only stole something for 14 seconds'
really dude?
I don't think most people realize how slimy was Michael Flynn. He was behind the crazy rumors of the Clintons running a sex ring out of a pizza place, he even was behind a rumor implicating that the Clinton's murdered people, he was fired by the Obama administration, he was amazingly close to Russia and may have even received payments in the past from them.
The justice department felt the Russians had something to black mail Flynn with. He was a danger to the US.
The illegal call was the tip of the iceberg.
The baby president wrote:
I don't think most people realize how slimy was Michael Flynn. He was behind the crazy rumors of the Clintons running a sex ring out of a pizza place, he even was behind a rumor implicating that the Clinton's murdered people, he was fired by the Obama administration, he was amazingly close to Russia and may have even received payments in the past from them.
The justice department felt the Russians had something to black mail Flynn with. He was a danger to the US.
The illegal call was the tip of the iceberg.
I think you may be conflating this Flynn with his crazy son, who is a conspiracy nut.
We don't actually know that Flynn lied to anybody. It's quite plausible that the administration knew exactly what he had done and that he did so at the behest of people like Trump and Pence.
Even back on the day Pence told everyone that sanctions were not discussed on Flynn's Russia calls, we knew that the calls came on the same day that sanctions were announced. It defied common sense to assert that the subject of sanctions didn't come up.
Also, we now know that the administration was warned in December that Flynn had discussed the sanctions and was vulnerable to blackmail. Yet Trump and his team did nothing about it. That's very suspicious behavior.
If Pence and others were incensed that they had been lied to by Flynn, why not do something? Perhaps it's because everyone was in on it the whole time?
The stories about Flynn are saying that these contacts with Russia go back to a time DURING the campaign. If true, that means it's likely the Trump campaign indeed clouded with the Russians to help get Trump elected.
Pass the popcorn. This could get good.
Fat hurts wrote:
We don't actually know that Flynn lied to anybody. It's quite plausible that the administration knew exactly what he had done and that he did so at the behest of people like Trump and Pence.
Even back on the day Pence told everyone that sanctions were not discussed on Flynn's Russia calls, we knew that the calls came on the same day that sanctions were announced. It defied common sense to assert that the subject of sanctions didn't come up.
Also, we now know that the administration was warned in December that Flynn had discussed the sanctions and was vulnerable to blackmail. Yet Trump and his team did nothing about it. That's very suspicious behavior.
If Pence and others were incensed that they had been lied to by Flynn, why not do something? Perhaps it's because everyone was in on it the whole time?
The stories about Flynn are saying that these contacts with Russia go back to a time DURING the campaign. If true, that means it's likely the Trump campaign indeed clouded with the Russians to help get Trump elected.
Pass the popcorn. This could get good.
possible that everyone knew what was going on, yes. The GOP will never investigate, so we'll never know.
But as it stands today, Pence is the man out - he was sent out to lie and no one tried to stop him. Justice told the white house about this a month ago , apparently...was that before Pence went out to to tell the press FLynn talked about Christmas and not treason?
You know, for guy who has absolutely no connections or obligations to the Russian government, Trump sure has put together an administration that seems to have a lot of connections and obligations to the Russian government.
Let's briefly recap:
Campaign manager Paul Manafort resigns after being accused of receiving millions from the Russians for working on their behalf.
Trump claims he has no business dealings in Russia, despite his son saying "Russians make up a disproportionate cross-section of our assets" in 2008. Trump refuses to release any documents that might shed light on his financial ties to Russia, after previously lying about not being able to release them because of an audit.
Russia hacks the DNC and leaks Clinton information in support of Trump. Trump defends Russia over the accusations levied by the intelligence community for months.
Trump repeatedly offers bizarre praise of Putin, and even defends his use of coercion and violence against journalists and political opposition.
Trump chooses an oil baron with extremely close ties to Putin to be his secretary of state.
An ex-foreign policy advisor, Carter Page, worked in Moscow and received attention from the FBI because of private communications with Russian officials. Trump now lies about not knowing him.
His national security advisor resigns because he undermined a sitting president by coordinating in secret with Russian officials.
Then there's the pee-pee dossier. At least parts of it are said to be gaining credibility with intelligence agencies. My favorite coincidence found so far:
The dossier alleges that that the CEO of Russia’s national oil company, Igor Sechin, offered Carter Page brokerage of a 19 percent stake in the oil company if he could convince Trump to lift U.S. sanctions on Russian oil. Four days after Trump’s inauguration, Russia sold a 19.5 percent stake in its oil company to an undisclosed buyer.
Oh, and Oleg Erovinkin, an ex-KGB chief considered to be Christopher Steele's primary source in compiling the dossier, was found dead in his car two weeks after Buzzfeed leaked the dossier.
Fat hurts wrote:
The stories about Flynn are saying that these contacts with Russia go back to a time DURING the campaign. If true, that means it's likely the Trump campaign indeed clouded with the Russians to help get Trump elected.
Pass the popcorn. This could get good.
The Republicans have Trump on a leash at this point. I wonder how much Trump understands this. I doubt it. Wacko #2 waits for Trump to get himself fired.
BTW, all the drama about Clinton forwarding email, like many others, and Trump is forgiven many times over for doing the same thing?
Today's list, updated. this is just three weeks, kids.
he cannot last - he has to go.
Claimed without facts that 3 million illegals voted for HRC
Trump yells and hangs up on Australia PM because end of long day
Conway ‘alternative facts’
Trump says hell at prayer breakfast
Trump talks about himself at prayer breakfast
Pence tweets Abraham Lincoln on first day black history month
No mention of jews on holocaust memorial day
Trump fires head of justice department for doing her job
Awful rollout of immigration ban yemen etc muslim ban
“so called judgeâ€
Says negative approval is ‘fake news’
Approves info wars to come to WH
Claims media is not covering terror attacks
Implies moral equivalence between putin and USA
Says if there is a terror attack it will be the judges’ fault
Called Flynn at 3 am asking if a strong dollar is good or bad (how was that leaked?)
Melania argued in court that a blogger who said she was an escort was ruining her chances to cash in on being first lady.
Crappy deadly raid in yemen plus travel ban attempt causes yemen to stop allowing us troops to operate.
020817 Both Conway and gorka admit trump lies as a strategy.
Falsely says murder rate highest in 47 years
Said Nordstrom made political decision to scrap ivanka brand.
Conway makes up bowling green massacre
Spicer makes up atlanta attack
Obamacare still not repealed
Conway pitches Ivanka Trump brand on TV, specifically banned by ethics laws. Even GOP led house ethics committee says she went over the line. First scandal!
Trump falsely claims his cabinet is taking longer than any other to be approved
Trump falsely claims Sen Blumenthal made up Gorsuch’s criticism of trump.
Trump said nothing about Canada right wing terrorist
Trump said nothing about tornado in LA
Seven GOP senators urge trump to toughen up against Russia
Trump loses appeals court decision - the ban stays stopped
House oversight committee refers Conway’s product pitching for official investigation
Flynn found to have clearly negotiated with Russia as a private citizen, breaking the law. Flynn also lied to the VP. Or Pence is lying to us. Will GOP investigate or sweep under rug? Rep Cummings asked Chaffetz for an investigation.
Trump’s position against the One China policy folds like a house of cards: What just happened with China was the worst of all worlds: a reckless moment followed by a predictable walk-back that empowers Beijing.
Trump security failures
Trump admin again in fight with Sen McCain
Trump lies about NYT apologizing for fake news
Trump lies about Kuwait having a travel ban
Trump lies about knowing Putin or not knowing Putin. He has claimed both.
Trump lies by saying the US has ‘little or no’ tariffs on Chinese goods
Trump lies by saying journalist Cuomo did not ask Sen Blumenthal about his misrepresenting Vietnam service. Cuomo did ask the sen about it.
Second ethics scandal – Flynn lies to VP about his talks with Russia, caught red handed. Will GOP investigate?
To a room full of US senators Trump says thousands of fraudulent voters were shipped in from MA
Miller says the powers of the president will not be questioned, shrugging off centuries of judicial oversight.
Trump and Abe discuss nuclear war issues in a crowded room at mar a lago, with documents on the table as waiters serve them
Miller says it is an unquestionable fact that vast numbers of non citizens are registered to vote. No evidence.
The National Security Council is apparently in chaos because of Flynn and belief Russia has ears in the org.
The intel community is not sharing info with WH because it believes that since Jan 20 Russia has ears in the WH.
Trump hits new low in approval ratings:40%. 55% disapprove – also a new worst.
Continuing evidence that nat sec advisor Flynn lied to VP.
Friend of trump sent out to tell world that Priebus is in over his head and doing terrible job.
Miller: ““First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from those seven nations, point one.†Given three Pinocchios by Washington Post.
Carrier of nuclear football takes pictures with mar a lago members.
Trump leaves a key in a secured bag when unauthorized people were in the oval office. Major security failure.
At mar a lago people used flashlights on phones to read documents. Phones can be hacked to take and transmit photos.
WH gives press credentials to Gateway Pundit
Further details corroborated in Trump spy dossier
Flynn resigns in disgrace
Attorney General made it clear in January that Flynn was subject to blackmail after breaking laws by negotiating with Russians before inauguration. Trump does nothing – Flynn stays in place and given access to classified info.
He's withstood 1,000,000x more "scandals" than any other political figure in American History and nothing has stuck. The Donald J. Trump is an embarrassment but he's not going anywhere. The problem is aside from a very small % of American citizens no one cares about any of the stuff you listed.
eric blair wrote:
Today's list, updated. this is just three weeks, kids.
he cannot last - he has to go.
Claimed without facts that 3 million illegals voted for HRC
Trump yells and hangs up on Australia PM because end of long day
Conway ‘alternative facts’
Trump says hell at prayer breakfast
Trump talks about himself at prayer breakfast
Pence tweets Abraham Lincoln on first day black history month
No mention of jews on holocaust memorial day
Trump fires head of justice department for doing her job
Awful rollout of immigration ban yemen etc muslim ban
“so called judgeâ€
Says negative approval is ‘fake news’
Approves info wars to come to WH
Claims media is not covering terror attacks
Implies moral equivalence between putin and USA
Says if there is a terror attack it will be the judges’ fault
Called Flynn at 3 am asking if a strong dollar is good or bad (how was that leaked?)
Melania argued in court that a blogger who said she was an escort was ruining her chances to cash in on being first lady.
Crappy deadly raid in yemen plus travel ban attempt causes yemen to stop allowing us troops to operate.
020817 Both Conway and gorka admit trump lies as a strategy.
Falsely says murder rate highest in 47 years
Said Nordstrom made political decision to scrap ivanka brand.
Conway makes up bowling green massacre
Spicer makes up atlanta attack
Obamacare still not repealed
Conway pitches Ivanka Trump brand on TV, specifically banned by ethics laws. Even GOP led house ethics committee says she went over the line. First scandal!
Trump falsely claims his cabinet is taking longer than any other to be approved
Trump falsely claims Sen Blumenthal made up Gorsuch’s criticism of trump.
Trump said nothing about Canada right wing terrorist
Trump said nothing about tornado in LA
Seven GOP senators urge trump to toughen up against Russia
Trump loses appeals court decision - the ban stays stopped
House oversight committee refers Conway’s product pitching for official investigation
Flynn found to have clearly negotiated with Russia as a private citizen, breaking the law. Flynn also lied to the VP. Or Pence is lying to us. Will GOP investigate or sweep under rug? Rep Cummings asked Chaffetz for an investigation.
Trump’s position against the One China policy folds like a house of cards: What just happened with China was the worst of all worlds: a reckless moment followed by a predictable walk-back that empowers Beijing.
Trump security failures
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/13/trump-ran-a-campaign-based-on-intelligence-security-thats-not-how-hes-governing/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_security-1155a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d1adfcaf9a9bTrump admin again in fight with Sen McCain
Trump lies about NYT apologizing for fake news
Trump lies about Kuwait having a travel ban
Trump lies about knowing Putin or not knowing Putin. He has claimed both.
Trump lies by saying the US has ‘little or no’ tariffs on Chinese goods
Trump lies by saying journalist Cuomo did not ask Sen Blumenthal about his misrepresenting Vietnam service. Cuomo did ask the sen about it.
Second ethics scandal – Flynn lies to VP about his talks with Russia, caught red handed. Will GOP investigate?
To a room full of US senators Trump says thousands of fraudulent voters were shipped in from MA
Miller says the powers of the president will not be questioned, shrugging off centuries of judicial oversight.
Trump and Abe discuss nuclear war issues in a crowded room at mar a lago, with documents on the table as waiters serve them
Miller says it is an unquestionable fact that vast numbers of non citizens are registered to vote. No evidence.
The National Security Council is apparently in chaos because of Flynn and belief Russia has ears in the org.
The intel community is not sharing info with WH because it believes that since Jan 20 Russia has ears in the WH.
Trump hits new low in approval ratings:40%. 55% disapprove – also a new worst.
Continuing evidence that nat sec advisor Flynn lied to VP.
Friend of trump sent out to tell world that Priebus is in over his head and doing terrible job.
Miller: ““First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from those seven nations, point one.†Given three Pinocchios by Washington Post.
Carrier of nuclear football takes pictures with mar a lago members.
Trump leaves a key in a secured bag when unauthorized people were in the oval office. Major security failure.
At mar a lago people used flashlights on phones to read documents. Phones can be hacked to take and transmit photos.
WH gives press credentials to Gateway Pundit
Further details corroborated in Trump spy dossier
Flynn resigns in disgrace
Attorney General made it clear in January that Flynn was subject to blackmail after breaking laws by negotiating with Russians before inauguration. Trump does nothing – Flynn stays in place and given access to classified info.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:The stories about Flynn are saying that these contacts with Russia go back to a time DURING the campaign. If true, that means it's likely the Trump campaign indeed clouded with the Russians to help get Trump elected.
Pass the popcorn. This could get good.
The Republicans have Trump on a leash at this point. I wonder how much Trump understands this. I doubt it. Wacko #2 waits for Trump to get himself fired.
BTW, all the drama about Clinton forwarding email, like many others, and Trump is forgiven many times over for doing the same thing?
1) why do you think the Repubs have Trump on a leash? The congress is standing by meekly. Chaffetz, whose job it is to investigate ethics and rules problem in the WH says he wont' investigate Flynn. No senators other than McCain are saying anything. I think congress is still terrified of Trump and his rabid base - guys like the ones who post here, blind to criminal activity in the WH but all out for impossible walls and keeping out muslims.
2) EVERYTHING they accused HRC of doing, the trumpers do. EVERYTHING. No one cares. Repubs are hypocrites - party over nation.
No! He has to last all four years. He and his crazy appointees should be summarized as America's crazy, fascist Uncle. Let them not build a wall and fail in court for four years.
Farmers are going to have major problems getting harvests in in California this year. I hope Trump supporters love their $20 strawberries.
It seems like the Republicans made a deal with Trump to back him in exchange for a guy they liked as VP. Only, Pence is as crazy as Trump with the support of the party. That's bad.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
He's withstood 1,000,000x more "scandals" than any other political figure in American History and nothing has stuck. The Donald J. Trump is an embarrassment but he's not going anywhere.
The problem is aside from a very small % of American citizens no one cares about any of the stuff you listed.
and your explanation of Trump having the lowest approval rating of any president of modern times? And the highest disapproval? if no one cares?
I understand that republicans love him to death, but that is limited.
Fact is, trump is at a standstill. He lost the travel ban, he now is fighting massive factionalism among his staff, and the intel community is clearly out to destroy him.
A 40% approval rating will eventually be noticed by Congress and they will push back when they realize they may not have so much to lose.
My official forecast is that Trump slogs on for a year then essentially gives up. He spends all his time in Florida and lets who ever yells the loudest on his staff run the show. Probably Bannon. Hopefully Pence.
Many, many more ethics and legal scandals - maybe as many as the reagan admin (the most indicted of modern times)
Trump doesn't run for re-election.
When it comes to DJT I don't believe polls. Who are the polling companies asking? The same people they used to predict that he wouldn't become president. I agree with you he is at stand still and will probably just ride out the 4 years but my point was that regardless of approval rating if an established politician did what he did in the campaign or is doing now they would be forced to drop out/resign. He has 2 things working for him:1. The GOP leadership is still behind him2. The 24 second news cycle - every time he does one thing and the news starts to talk about it he goes and does something else and they can't keep up or keep people engaged.
eric blair wrote:
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:He's withstood 1,000,000x more "scandals" than any other political figure in American History and nothing has stuck. The Donald J. Trump is an embarrassment but he's not going anywhere.
The problem is aside from a very small % of American citizens no one cares about any of the stuff you listed.
and your explanation of Trump having the lowest approval rating of any president of modern times? And the highest disapproval? if no one cares?
I understand that republicans love him to death, but that is limited.
Fact is, trump is at a standstill. He lost the travel ban, he now is fighting massive factionalism among his staff, and the intel community is clearly out to destroy him.
A 40% approval rating will eventually be noticed by Congress and they will push back when they realize they may not have so much to lose.
My official forecast is that Trump slogs on for a year then essentially gives up. He spends all his time in Florida and lets who ever yells the loudest on his staff run the show. Probably Bannon. Hopefully Pence.
Many, many more ethics and legal scandals - maybe as many as the reagan admin (the most indicted of modern times)
Trump doesn't run for re-election.
you don't seem to be aware that the national polls were accurate. No problem with the national polls - they nailed it. National polls predicted HRC would win the popular vote by 3% and she won by 2%. you can't get much better than that. 2016 national polls were way more accurate than in 2012. State by state there were some problems yes, but all within the margin of error I believe. And these approval polls are national.point is, calling polls flawed per se is not accurate - they aren't. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/315145-one-last-look-2016-polls-actually-got-a-lot-right
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
When it comes to DJT I don't believe polls. Who are the polling companies asking? The same people they used to predict that he wouldn't become president.
I agree with you he is at stand still and will probably just ride out the 4 years but my point was that regardless of approval rating if an established politician did what he did in the campaign or is doing now they would be forced to drop out/resign.
He has 2 things working for him:
1. The GOP leadership is still behind him
2. The 24 second news cycle - every time he does one thing and the news starts to talk about it he goes and does something else and they can't keep up or keep people engaged.
eric blair wrote:and your explanation of Trump having the lowest approval rating of any president of modern times? And the highest disapproval? if no one cares?
I understand that republicans love him to death, but that is limited.
Fact is, trump is at a standstill. He lost the travel ban, he now is fighting massive factionalism among his staff, and the intel community is clearly out to destroy him.
A 40% approval rating will eventually be noticed by Congress and they will push back when they realize they may not have so much to lose.
My official forecast is that Trump slogs on for a year then essentially gives up. He spends all his time in Florida and lets who ever yells the loudest on his staff run the show. Probably Bannon. Hopefully Pence.
Many, many more ethics and legal scandals - maybe as many as the reagan admin (the most indicted of modern times)
Trump doesn't run for re-election.
Interesting I'll check those out thanks.
I'm starting to wonder how much more of the Pee-Pee dossier is accurate. The man who wrote it is still in hiding. I don't think that would happen if he made it all up.
As for Trump's ties to Russia, the most damning evidence that Russia has something on him is Trump's own behavior. Here is a man who is never afraid to criticize ANYONE; not gold star families, federal judges, our allies, heads of state, or war heroes. Trump rails on everybody.
But the one man he will never criticize is Vladimir Putin.
I agree I think the dossier is spot on and they have even more on him. I'd really like to see those tax returns too.
eric blair wrote:
1) why do you think the Repubs have Trump on a leash? The congress is standing by meekly. Chaffetz, whose job it is to investigate ethics and rules problem in the WH says he wont' investigate Flynn. No senators other than McCain are saying anything. I think congress is still terrified of Trump and his rabid base - guys like the ones who post here, blind to criminal activity in the WH but all out for impossible walls and keeping out muslims.
I don't know that Trump knows he's on a leash. All Congress has to do is wait for Trump to get unpopular, then impeachment is likely. It's inevitable that Trump and his cabinet will violate many rules. Russia is already looking like a bad situation for them. They just have to wait for him to get really unpopular.
Congress is a different question. My wild guess is, the Congressional majority leaders are trying to figure out how to best exploit the simpleton. Pence is clearly their man on the inside, waiting for Trump to fail bigly.