Last 300: Faith 42.46; Welteji 43.04; Hassan 42.96
Last 800: Faith 1:59.87; Welteji 2:00.57 and Hassan at 2:00.20
Certainly this is evidence that Hassan might have been 2nd if she did not leave herself so much of a gap, but this version of Faith cannot be beaten by anybody in any 1500 unless she falls.
El Bakkali really the successor to Kemboi whereas Girma is like Shaheen. No matter how fast the latter can run in flat events or WR attempts take the guy with the wicked kick.
Pacing duties? No, Hassan would have been paced by Faith. Yes, in the last 200 Faith would have pulled away, but Hassan would have been right on the rail in great position at the close and no, she is no Faith, but no slouch. Hassan would have been much more likely to get silver having run a shorter last lap with far less distance to make up.
Terrible post.
Listen:
KIPYEGON IS MUCH FASTER THAN HASSAN.
HASSAN IS NOT MUCH FASTER THAN THE FOLLOWING THREE RUNNERS.
The gap would have been, obviously, between Kipyegon and the rest, with Hassan starting at the front of the "chase" pack. Probably the worst possible place, unless you like towing people to the homestretch and then getting kicked down.
With 500 to go Hassan was in 10th place and almost a second out of 2nd. You think that's smart running? With 400 to go Hassan is still 5th and a half a second out of 2nd place. She left herself way too much to optimize her finish. Hassan could have easily been well position in the top 2-3 for the final 800 and made her life easier at the end to secure silver.
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I’m not even saying she ran for silver dude. I was saying that your “What was she running for if not gold, fitness? A tempo run?” comment was willfully obtuse. Regardless of whether not she believed she could beat Kipyegon, we’re in agreement that she should have been on Kipyegon’s shoulder at the bell.
I think she just played it safe for once. She goes with Faith when she starts her kick and risks blowing up and finishing out of the medals, per 2016 and 2017. I don't think she expected Faith to come back. Hassan has raced Kipyegon many times and she has never come back once she starts her kick.
She assessed how she was feeling and decided it was not worth the risk going for broke against an opponent that was just better right now. And let's not downplay how good Welteji is. She is a huge talent.
Riiight people on here are talking as if Welteji didn't outkick Hassan in the Semis
And as if she isn't a 3.55 1500, and 1.56 800m runner too
I think she just played it safe for once. She goes with Faith when she starts her kick and risks blowing up and finishing out of the medals, per 2016 and 2017. I don't think she expected Faith to come back. Hassan has raced Kipyegon many times and she has never come back once she starts her kick.
She assessed how she was feeling and decided it was not worth the risk going for broke against an opponent that was just better right now. And let's not downplay how good Welteji is. She is a huge talent.
Riiight people on here are talking as if Welteji didn't outkick Hassan in the Semis
And as if she isn't a 3.55 1500, and 1.56 800m runner too
The edisrespect. The nerve. The audacity 😆
Nobody is closing all out in a semi, so that is meaningless. Yes, Welteji might have bested Hassan regardless, but Hassan spotted her over 0.8s with 500 meters left in this final. Hassan closed faster than Welteji from 400 meters to go onwards, but she gave her way too much of a head start for no clear reason. That's not disrespect, just facts.
Riiight people on here are talking as if Welteji didn't outkick Hassan in the Semis
And as if she isn't a 3.55 1500, and 1.56 800m runner too
The edisrespect. The nerve. The audacity 😆
Nobody is closing all out in a semi, so that is meaningless. Yes, Welteji might have bested Hassan regardless, but Hassan spotted her over 0.8s with 500 meters left in this final. Hassan closed faster than Welteji from 400 meters to go onwards, but she gave her way too much of a head start for no clear reason. That's not disrespect, just facts.
She closed faster than Welteji but she had the advantage in being the chaser. If she would have been ahead of Weteji, who knows.
Regardless, people are talking as if Hassan made a huge tactical blunder when it really just came down to silver vs bronze. There was no tactic that would have enabled her to beat Kipyegon today.
Don't give us a condescending 'duh' without some specifics; pray tell genius, why then is she not running for gold? I'm well aware Kipyegon is the dominant middle distance runner in the world right now, but she's also human. Contract a bit of a stomach bug, have a crappy night of sleep, boom, vulnerable. Your take is just silly.
It's obvious, but since you are either playing dumb or just dumb...
Kipyegon is many, many seconds faster than Hassan this year. 3:49 to 3:56. That is another planet. Do you understand how far apart they are?
Meanwhile, among all remaining competitors Hassan is very competitive. As we just saw.
What is she going to do to "take the race to Kipyegon?" Nothing, except to serve as a free pacer to all of the other also-rans.
She can (and did) race for a medal. Picture the race without Kipyegon in it, any any sensible person will agree Hassan ran very well.
Get it?
To say Hassan should have aimed to beat Kipyegon is like saying Nick Symmonds was too far behind David Rudisha at the bell in London 2012. Simply clueless take.
So many people have these takes, unironically. They think that any bum can just really want to win, and "go for it" with their strong kick and they will win.
Mea Culpa. I meant Brimin Kipruto (08 gold medalist with Kemboi having issues) not Shaheen. That’s who I ultimately meant. Brain fart. Shaheen didn’t have the longest prime, but the championship record/skill set was up there. Kipruto was excellent but you’d never back him over Kemboi no matter how fast he ran.
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Sadly, as always happens JS has discovered this thread and it's going to kill it. When something becomes good he will spam it with his multiple accounts and then all sense will disappear as people can't help but bite. Mainly because everything has to be about him. Until he properly showed his face, this was an all time classic. But time for us to say RIP.
Sadly, as always happens JS has discovered this thread and it's going to kill it. When something becomes good he will spam it with his multiple accounts and then all sense will disappear as people can't help but bite. Mainly because everything has to be about him. Until he properly showed his face, this was an all time classic. But time for us to say RIP.
I think this ended up in the wrong thread (whats the deal with this letsrun mods?), but I can relate.
Riiight people on here are talking as if Welteji didn't outkick Hassan in the Semis
And as if she isn't a 3.55 1500, and 1.56 800m runner too
The edisrespect. The nerve. The audacity 😆
Nobody is closing all out in a semi, so that is meaningless. Yes, Welteji might have bested Hassan regardless, but Hassan spotted her over 0.8s with 500 meters left in this final. Hassan closed faster than Welteji from 400 meters to go onwards, but she gave her way too much of a head start for no clear reason. That's not disrespect, just facts.
Yes, because she couldn't do anything about it.
There are no ifs, buts and do-overs in this sport.
that's not an argument for being at the back of the pack. Place yourself in 3rd position then
Hassan feels most comfortable running in the back and then making her move. With the other events she is probably not aiming to take down kipyegon. She is okay executed what has worked for her time and time again
I’m not even saying she ran for silver dude. I was saying that your “What was she running for if not gold, fitness? A tempo run?” comment was willfully obtuse. Regardless of whether not she believed she could beat Kipyegon, we’re in agreement that she should have been on Kipyegon’s shoulder at the bell.
I think she just played it safe for once. She goes with Faith when she starts her kick and risks blowing up and finishing out of the medals, per 2016 and 2017. I don't think she expected Faith to come back. Hassan has raced Kipyegon many times and she has never come back once she starts her kick.
She assessed how she was feeling and decided it was not worth the risk going for broke against an opponent that was just better right now. And let's not downplay how good Welteji is. She is a huge talent.
Mea Culpa. I meant Brimin Kipruto (08 gold medalist with Kemboi having issues) not Shaheen. That’s who I ultimately meant. Brain fart. Shaheen didn’t have the longest prime, but the championship record/skill set was up there. Kipruto was excellent but you’d never back him over Kemboi no matter how fast he ran.
My money was actually on Brimin in '12 only that he fell.
He is an Olympic and World Champion too
And had a long run for home that put Kemboi to shame a few times
Remember he was a world champion before Kemboi stopping him in 07, got some medals too
was also .01 off Shaheen's WR
You're right on Kemboi's excellent kick though
I think the only one who matched it was Kipruto
Till the gods did him in for his pride and showboatimg
The gap would have been, obviously, between Kipyegon and the rest, with Hassan starting at the front of the "chase" pack. Probably the worst possible place, unless you like towing people to the homestretch and then getting kicked down.
With 500 to go Hassan was in 10th place and almost a second out of 2nd. You think that's smart running? With 400 to go Hassan is still 5th and a half a second out of 2nd place. She left herself way too much to optimize her finish. Hassan could have easily been well position in the top 2-3 for the final 800 and made her life easier at the end to secure silver.
Wrong again.
Let's be honest: Kipyegon was competing in her own race.
If Hassan insisted on leading the race within the race (running in second at 1000m as you suggest, she would have simply been pacing the pack behind her, at least one of whom she certainly couldn't count on running away from. This would have been a terrible strategy.
Oh, and you know who says Hassan's strategy was good? Her MEDAL.
It's obvious, but since you are either playing dumb or just dumb...
Kipyegon is many, many seconds faster than Hassan this year. 3:49 to 3:56. That is another planet. Do you understand how far apart they are?
Meanwhile, among all remaining competitors Hassan is very competitive. As we just saw.
What is she going to do to "take the race to Kipyegon?" Nothing, except to serve as a free pacer to all of the other also-rans.
She can (and did) race for a medal. Picture the race without Kipyegon in it, any any sensible person will agree Hassan ran very well.
Get it?
To say Hassan should have aimed to beat Kipyegon is like saying Nick Symmonds was too far behind David Rudisha at the bell in London 2012. Simply clueless take.
So many people have these takes, unironically. They think that any bum can just really want to win, and "go for it" with their strong kick and they will win.
This. It is such a ridiculous take.
Do these 16:30 5k runners just "go for it" and "run on the shoulder" of the 16:00 leader in their local race, when there are five other 16:30 guys racing for #2 and #3. Maybe, but their livelihood isn't impact by whether or not they are top-3.
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