The article was initially entiteld, "Zane Robertston!!!!" but we changed it to make it more descriptive. Here is our article on his bust and fake excuses (he said he went to a hospital for a COvid-19 vaccine but they gave him EPO instead) which points out that in 2016 he expressed frutation at the amount of doping in the sport:
My question was intended to elicit the response it received. You wouldn't have been a Kenyan apologist and doping-denier if you had answered differently.
Oh how clever, you distanced yourself from yourself, just so you could call me cute little names. It's like you are the mensa-master playing 4D chess.
I'm the Kenyan apologist and doping denier for copy/pasting figures from official WADA reports -- obviously the central hub of doping denying conspiracies.
You select the figures that suit and leave out those that don't. Coe and World Athletics have said Kenya led the world for doping positives last year. You try to find any way you can to deny that fact and what it means.
Because you fabricated the number who broke world records before 1980. You do of course realise that for every Kenyan record-holder you posted above there is a cluster of confirmed Kenyan dopers? Some of them have been world record-holders and Olympic champions. In Kenya, the two - doping and setting records - easily go together. There should be an asterisk next to every name on your list. Just like there is with the E Bloc athletes.
I have never fabricated a single number, you liar, you notorious liar, you king of all liars.
I've correctly stated that before 1980 Kenyans have set 10 WRs. After weeks of deep researches on your side, you came up with your wonderful list of 2 Kenyan WRs before 1980 (adding the important facts that Kenyans have set no WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles before 1980 - one of your very few correct statements; also anybody should decide how helpful this is for the subject).
80% down on one occasion, 400% up on another - wrong by a factor of 5 seems to be the standard in your statistics.
You call others doping apologists for correcting wrong numbers - nothing more to know about the Armstrongliar.
You are wrong, again. I asked you to specify the world records from 800-marathon Kenyans set before 1980. There were only two - Keino's 3k and 5k records. You just chucked put a figure of 10 records, without substance. Not the 800, the 880, the 1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 2 miles, 3 miles, 6 miles, 10k or marathon. Your delusions are without limits. But there is a record they are setting as we speak - for the worst doper in distance running.
I have never fabricated a single number, you liar, you notorious liar, you king of all liars.
I've correctly stated that before 1980 Kenyans have set 10 WRs. After weeks of deep researches on your side, you came up with your wonderful list of 2 Kenyan WRs before 1980 (adding the important facts that Kenyans have set no WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles before 1980 - one of your very few correct statements; also anybody should decide how helpful this is for the subject).
80% down on one occasion, 400% up on another - wrong by a factor of 5 seems to be the standard in your statistics.
You call others doping apologists for correcting wrong numbers - nothing more to know about the Armstrongliar.
You are wrong, again. I asked you to specify the world records from 800-marathon Kenyans set before 1980. There were only two - Keino's 3k and 5k records. You just chucked put a figure of 10 records, without substance. Not the 800, the 880, the 1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 2 miles, 3 miles, 6 miles, 10k or marathon. Your delusions are without limits. But there is a record they are setting as we speak - for the worst doper in distance running.
Because you fabricated the number who broke world records before 1980. You do of course realise that for every Kenyan record-holder you posted above there is a cluster of confirmed Kenyan dopers? Some of them have been world record-holders and Olympic champions. In Kenya, the two - doping and setting records - easily go together. There should be an asterisk next to every name on your list. Just like there is with the E Bloc athletes.
I have never fabricated a single number, you liar, you notorious liar, you king of all liars.
I've correctly stated that before 1980 Kenyans have set 10 WRs. After weeks of deep researches on your side, you came up with your wonderful list of 2 Kenyan WRs before 1980 (adding the important facts that Kenyans have set no WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles before 1980 - one of your very few correct statements; also anybody should decide how helpful this is for the subject).
80% down on one occasion, 400% up on another - wrong by a factor of 5 seems to be the standard in your statistics.
You call others doping apologists for correcting wrong numbers - nothing more to know about the Armstrongliar.
As late as the mid 1980's, the national records of GB were superior to Kenya's in every event from the 100m to the marathon - save for the Steeplechase and 10000m. Usually, by some margin. Three British runners - Coe, Ovett, and Moorcroft ran faster than any Kenyan achieved over 800, 1000, 1500, Mile, 5000 until EPO.
Until the 1980's, the only full-time athletes were from East Africa and the Eastern Bloc. This is why the likes of Bannister, Elliott, Snell, Ryun all retired early while at their peaks, while the likes of Bikele, Yifter, and Keino went on until their late 30's.
Yet East Africans were still less successful than little New Zealand and Finland, let alone the likes of GB and the USA
You are wrong, again. I asked you to specify the world records from 800-marathon Kenyans set before 1980. There were only two - Keino's 3k and 5k records. You just chucked put a figure of 10 records, without substance. Not the 800, the 880, the 1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 2 miles, 3 miles, 6 miles, 10k or marathon. Your delusions are without limits. But there is a record they are setting as we speak - for the worst doper in distance running.
What about Henry Rono's 1978 season?
Yes I think Kenya today is pretty much about systematic doping these days. They should have been banned Russia style at least a few years ago. I would also have banned any runners living/training in Kenya for long periods of time. But the governing bodies have just turned a blind eye to the situation.
To the extent that countries can be dopers, I guess being "one of the worst" depends on how many "worst" doping nations there can be. In 2019, Kenya was ranked 17th worst doping nation by WADA. That puts them in the top 10% worldwide I guess. Unfortunately it will be next year, or 2025, before we see WADA's ADRV report for 2022, but if "nation.africa's" reporting of 40 suspensions in 2022 is any indication, they will only climb slightly to around #15. Similarly, we will have to wait for the beginning of next year to see if Coe's "40% positive tests" statistic is confirmed by WADA.
It just seems like Kenya's busts are the only ones making headlines, as if the #17 ranked nation is the one that is most relevant. When each busted Kenyan athlete makes the headlines twice -- one for the suspension, and one for the sanction -- this must leave quite an impression on the most impressionable -- especially those who struggle with understanding the value of numbers and perspective.
That's for all sports rekhead
How is Kenya ranked for distance running!
Your testing is still a joke in Kenya. That's why he hid out there That NZ guy has been at it for years and has only just been caught.
You struggle to understand morals and a doping apologist.
You're wasting your time with rektum; he'll never accept that there is a doping problem in Kenya as he'll continually fudge the numbers to suit his stance.
I'm sure he'll equally dismiss as being without foundation and, probably, also accuse the AIU of discrimination or of not understanding (their own) numbers.
An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to...
You are wrong, again. I asked you to specify the world records from 800-marathon Kenyans set before 1980. There were only two - Keino's 3k and 5k records. You just chucked put a figure of 10 records, without substance. Not the 800, the 880, the 1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 2 miles, 3 miles, 6 miles, 10k or marathon. Your delusions are without limits. But there is a record they are setting as we speak - for the worst doper in distance running.
Keino never held 3k and 5k records.
7.39.6, and 13.24.2 respectively. Both in 1965.
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You are wrong, again. I asked you to specify the world records from 800-marathon Kenyans set before 1980. There were only two - Keino's 3k and 5k records. You just chucked put a figure of 10 records, without substance. Not the 800, the 880, the 1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 2 miles, 3 miles, 6 miles, 10k or marathon. Your delusions are without limits. But there is a record they are setting as we speak - for the worst doper in distance running.
What about Henry Rono's 1978 season?
Yes I think Kenya today is pretty much about systematic doping these days. They should have been banned Russia style at least a few years ago. I would also have banned any runners living/training in Kenya for long periods of time. But the governing bodies have just turned a blind eye to the situation.
I see that Rono held the steeplechase and 5k records in '78. That appears to make him the only other Kenyan record-holder than Keino from the mid 60's to 1980.
Yes I think Kenya today is pretty much ayou.at the moment systematic doping these days. They should have been banned Russia style at least a few years ago. I would also have banned any runners living/training in Kenya for long periods of time. But the governing bodies have just turned a blind eye to the situation.
I see that Rono held the steeplechase and 5k records in '78. That appears to make him the only other Kenyan record-holder than Keino from the mid 60's to 1980.
No, it doesn't. But you found two more records now, so at the moment you are at 4. With this rate of improvement, at Christmas 2025 you might have found all 10. Good luck to you.
I have never fabricated a single number, you liar, you notorious liar, you king of all liars.
I've correctly stated that before 1980 Kenyans have set 10 WRs. After weeks of deep researches on your side, you came up with your wonderful list of 2 Kenyan WRs before 1980 (adding the important facts that Kenyans have set no WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles before 1980 - one of your very few correct statements; also anybody should decide how helpful this is for the subject).
80% down on one occasion, 400% up on another - wrong by a factor of 5 seems to be the standard in your statistics.
You call others doping apologists for correcting wrong numbers - nothing more to know about the Armstrongliar.
As late as the mid 1980's, the national records of GB were superior to Kenya's in every event from the 100m to the marathon - save for the Steeplechase and 10000m.
Also wrong. We have had this before - you obviously prefer to state the wrong info.
But yes, GB from78 to 86 has had one of the most impressive eras in distance running history by any nation. Coe, Cram, Ovett - but also others like Moorcroft, Elliott, Jones and more.
Interesting that you used a random period. According to you the fact than is worth nothing. Stupidity at it's best.
You're wasting your time with rektum; he'll never accept that there is a doping problem in Kenya as he'll continually fudge the numbers to suit his stance.
I'm sure he'll equally dismiss as being without foundation and, probably, also accuse the AIU of discrimination or of not understanding (their own) numbers.
Athletics Integrity Unit suspects criminal systematic doping cover-up operation in Kenya An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to try and cover up doping offences" after similarities were found in at least two recent tampering cases involving Kenyan athletes. The behaviour amounts to "criminal conduct involving frauds", the AIU discovered.
Oh how clever, you distanced yourself from yourself, just so you could call me cute little names. It's like you are the mensa-master playing 4D chess.
I'm the Kenyan apologist and doping denier for copy/pasting figures from official WADA reports -- obviously the central hub of doping denying conspiracies.
You select the figures that suit and leave out those that don't. Coe and World Athletics have said Kenya led the world for doping positives last year. You try to find any way you can to deny that fact and what it means.
I selected figures from WADA reports, which seems like a globally recognized non-controversial source, and it appears it is you that wants to deny them when it doesn't suit.
Coe didn't really explain how he arrived at this figure (or specify which timeframe), so I can't be sure what "facts" are being denied, if any. But if WADA confirms your suggested interpretation of what Coe said, only then will I give it any weight. Until then, I have neither accepted nor denied it. I suspect Coe was talking about AIU sanctions, and misspoke.
I see that Rono held the steeplechase and 5k records in '78. That appears to make him the only other Kenyan record-holder than Keino from the mid 60's to 1980.
No, it doesn't. But you found two more records now, so at the moment you are at 4. With this rate of improvement, at Christmas 2025 you might have found all 10. Good luck to you.
I'm not a fantasist as you are. There were never 10.
None in the 800/880
None in the 1k
None in the 1500/mile
None in the 2 mile
None in the 3 mile
None in the 6 mile
None in the 10k
None in the marathon.
But they are definitely world leading for doping positives.
You select the figures that suit and leave out those that don't. Coe and World Athletics have said Kenya led the world for doping positives last year. You try to find any way you can to deny that fact and what it means.
I selected figures from WADA reports, which seems like a globally recognized non-controversial source, and it appears it is you that wants to deny them when it doesn't suit.
Coe didn't really explain how he arrived at this figure (or specify which timeframe), so I can't be sure what "facts" are being denied, if any. But if WADA confirms your suggested interpretation of what Coe said, only then will I give it any weight. Until then, I have neither accepted nor denied it. I suspect Coe was talking about AIU sanctions, and misspoke.
"On 27 August 1965, Keino lowered the 3000 m world record by over 6 seconds to 7:39.6 in his first attempt at the distance. He won two gold medals (1500 and 5000 metres) at the inaugural All-Africa Games. Later in that year, he broke the 5000 m world record held by Ron Clarke, clocking 13:24.2."
You're wasting your time with rektum; he'll never accept that there is a doping problem in Kenya as he'll continually fudge the numbers to suit his stance.
I'm sure he'll equally dismiss as being without foundation and, probably, also accuse the AIU of discrimination or of not understanding (their own) numbers.
I have accepted without debate that there is a doping problem in Kenya. But the big question is, can you put a number on it? Apparently that answer is no, for both you and Armstronglivs.
I also accepted your number "20", without fudging it, and I used your source "nation.africa", to identify the right number of weeks corresponding to those 20 suspensions, as you insisted, in all sports.
I don't accuse the AIU of not understanding their own numbers -- but accuse some posters of not understanding the AIU numbers.
