Modifying the Norwegian approach to lower mileage

What are you gonna write the book about?
The training principle would fit on one page. haha
Annecdotes of one person's running journey won't attract many buyers, I guess.
And the physiological science behind it is already covered in at least 100 books.

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Matt Fitzgerald is in no way responsible for the notion of polarized training - the credit/blame for that should be directed at Steve Seiler. Fitzgerald merely jumped on the bandwagon early and cranked out a quick book about it, which is his modus operandi for making a living.

He misinterpreted Seiler’s 80/20 in some respects. The book can maybe put beginners in the right direction, but otherwise, not a particularly great book.

Completely disagree. Firstly, the journey itself is fascinating. But, aside from that. I don't think there is a nothing book out there that would be quite like this for someone to pick up and likely make them better. You could strip just about any book down to just the training plans and make it a few pages. But you wouldn't understand the buy in.

Of course, all training is simple. But to get the most out of what sirpoc has done you are adding in tons of little things. You only need a bit of phisiology in there. The science isn't even massively important. It holds a place, but the main appeal surely is the huge structure this provides?

If you think it's just running the suggested paces and doing that over then you are probably missing the bigger picture. If anything, I think it's the opposite of what people think it is. It's not actually a starter plan but actually as strange as it sounds, to take you to the next level, but not quite the level of doubles or where and what elites do. It's a totally new philosophy really. It's also nothing like 80/20. I know that also sounds strange. But I've seen people compare it to that or EIM. If you know anything about either of them, this is also nowhere near that.

+1 here. I would pay $20 just to have a pacing guide from him. Never seen anything so perfect.

But can't disagree, most training books there isn't much new, that doesn't make them not good. You just understand and underpin the philosophy of said book. You buy in, or you don't.

One thing we know 2 years on. Training like this can get you to a ridiculously high level. Secondly, even slower runners, have improved greatly. Proportionally, even more so at times. If this comes out from sirpoc himself, I would put my neck on the line and say it likely is better than 90% of books you would or can buy.

The best analogy that I can think of for Fitzgerald's work is that it is like generative AI answers to questions. That is, it is produced quickly, reads well, and appears to be correct, but all too often is full of mistakes that are blindingly obvious to those knowledgeable in that area.

Ah well, at least he doesn't work for HHS.

Ha, good analogy. I have the same feeling. But I don’t think it’s specific to Fitzgerald, it is more of a general problem with books like that for the lay person that try to sum up scientific research. When you become an “expert” in something, sadly many of the popular books on the topic become painful to read.

Right, but to do it over and over and over again, just to make a living?

Don't hold back, Andrew. Tell us what you really think about Seiler and Fitzgerald. Floor is yours.

TBF, Seiler is neither a coach or a runner. However initially, he didn't really appear to understand the difference between polarised and pyramidal TID.

How do people using NSM determine race pace for 5k or 10k ?

do a time trial and plug it into one of the calculators or just run a race.

Fair enough, I agree it wouldn’t make for a fulfilling career.

As for Seiler, he likes to draw way too many conclusions from descriptive case series. And his definition of polarized training is largely misunderstood. Sometimes I wonder if he defined intensity by session simply so he could fit it into a paradigm he could market.

I'm sorry, my question was a bit unclear.

I meant when you have a certain 5k PR, you base your work-outs off of that PR, and after 2-3 months of training you hope you are fitter. How do you determine your new race pace ?

Sirpoc, I didn’t realise you’re a fellow yid after watching the podcast. What’s your thoughts on Ange? I personally think Levy did the right thing and Frank looks promising

The answer is the same.

Possibly a silly question which may have been already answered. Is the advice for the intervals to not go over lthr? I've seen lab tests where lactate can be under 4m while heart rate is 10 beats over lthr. I guess this is where heart rate might not be a reliable proxy for lactate?