Sally Vix wrote:
You are in the minority wrote:
This who believe there is a real emergency are a small minority of the American people. Real Americans outnumber the believers by nearly 2:1.
What the eff does that mean? Am asking YOU! If we have one million illegals enter our country in one year - is that NOT an emergency?
You are too shallow-minded to understand your position is a bigly unpopular one. SCREAMING in caps will not make you minority view-point any biglier.
In today's news:
A 16-Year-old climate activist is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
Meanwhile, Dotard Trump fails to get nominated for the same prize for stopping a non-existent nuclear war with Rocket Man.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Maybe you should ask Trump. He admitted it wasn't an emergency.
Doesn't matter what he said. Do YOU not agree that it is an emergency???
An issue, not an emergency.
Runningart2004 wrote:
JaDrool wrote:
CORRECT!
That's how I know. Duh.
The problem with Beto might be his recent loss to Ted Cruz. It would just depend on how his opponents play it and how he plays it. Many political losers have gone on to win the presidency, Reagan both Bushes etc. To his credit he got closer than anyone would’ve thought a Democrat could have and was even I believe 5% or more closer than the most recent polling.
Biden is too old, but so is Trump. The VP choice really doesn’t matter if it’s Beto though. If it’s Biden it matters because he’s old as dirt. And I don’t think you need a super progressive on the ticket, because those are going to come out anyway just to get Trump out of office. It’s not like 2016 when many Progressives were upset and just stayed home instead of voting for Clinton because They didn’t really think Trump had a chance anyway.
Alan
You make great points. I do think Beto’s loss in Texas, while unfortunate, is actually a bit of a blessing is disguise. That he ate into Ted’s vote so much more than expected means a lot more to him on the national stage than it hurts him. Also, on the the issue of immigration he has credibility as a Texan.
There is another interesting dynamic at play that has not been talked about but that had a significant impact in the Texas election. Trump has become very disliked by the domestic oil industry with his constant lobbying of lower prices. It has hurt those company’s profitability. That is a big deal in Texas. I think Beto on a ticket can flip that state.
You are in the minority wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
What the eff does that mean? Am asking YOU! If we have one million illegals enter our country in one year - is that NOT an emergency?
You are too shallow-minded to understand your position is a bigly unpopular one. SCREAMING in caps will not make you minority view-point any biglier.
So you can't answer the question I posed. Enough said.
Sally Vix wrote:
You are in the minority wrote:
You are too shallow-minded to understand your position is a bigly unpopular one. SCREAMING in caps will not make you minority view-point any biglier.
So you can't answer the question I posed. Enough said.
Thank you for admitting you lost.
Sally Vix wrote:
You are in the minority wrote:
This who believe there is a real emergency are a small minority of the American people. Real Americans outnumber the believers by nearly 2:1.
What the eff does that mean? Am asking YOU! If we have one million illegals enter our country in one year - is that NOT an emergency?
I understand your view. You think that the situation on the southern border is worth cutting the link between the Congress and its ability to check the executive branch with the power of the purse. You are fine with unchecked growth of executive branch power at the expense of congress.
(we all know you will change your mind when the president is a Democrat, but we can ignore that for now)
Most senators do not agree with you. Most Americans do not agree with you.
All the other arguments are just fluffery.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Maybe you should ask Trump. He admitted it wasn't an emergency.
Doesn't matter what he said. Do YOU not agree that it is an emergency???
No, and your numbers are inaccurate.
Alan
Viva la vida loca wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Biden/Brown doesn't work.
If the nominee is Biden then he needs a progressive to balance the ticket. Warren would be a good choice except that she is so good on the stump that she might overshadow Biden.
Fat Hurts, tell me which ticket of these works - Biden and progressive:
Biden / Kamala Harris
Biden / Bernie Sanders
Biden / Warren
Biden / Corey Booker
Then answer - none!
Any of those tickets could win. I still think Warren is the best choice overall.
Sally do you think this “emergency” takes priority over others such as climate change, gun murders, and healthcare? I mean if POTUS is going to neglect Congress’ role and be able to decide what is an emergency, then are you at least supportive of an emergency definition test? We should be prioritizing these so called emergencies very carefully then right? I hope you see where I am going with this. If Trump is going to wave his emergency wand, he needs to at least convince the public and his colleagues in government that this is really an emergency and one of higher priority. So far all he has done is repeat his same one or two lines over and over about drugs and rapists, but we have seen no comprehensive cost benefit analysis with regard to immigration flow impact on economics and social issues and with regard to how effective a wall would be.
When you’re dealing with a normal emergency like a hurricane it’s quite clear to all that there is a problem. This is not like that, so he needs to convince everyone and he has failed miserably.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Maybe you should ask Trump. He admitted it wasn't an emergency.
Doesn't matter what he said. Do YOU not agree that it is an emergency???
If it's truly is an emergency how does starting a multi-year project solve the problem. And if Trump loses in 2020 it will never be finished.
Trollminator wrote:
Graham is over at the WH today to break it to Trump that he is in for a rude awakening on the emergency bill. There are going to be something like 15-20 republicans voting with the Dems. Good thing Trump has McD’s on speed dial, he’s going to need it.
If that is true then it's about much more than the emergency bill.
If 15 Republicans break with the president over this, it's a major problem for the president overall. It would show that senate Republicans aren't afraid of him any more.
Frankly, I don't think it will happen. I don't think that many will break with the president unless these senators know something big that the rest of us don't.
Trollminator wrote:
Sally do you think this “emergency” takes priority over others such as climate change, gun murders, and healthcare? I mean if POTUS is going to neglect Congress’ role and be able to decide what is an emergency, then are you at least supportive of an emergency definition test? We should be prioritizing these so called emergencies very carefully then right? I hope you see where I am going with this. If Trump is going to wave his emergency wand, he needs to at least convince the public and his colleagues in government that this is really an emergency and one of higher priority. So far all he has done is repeat his same one or two lines over and over about drugs and rapists, but we have seen no comprehensive cost benefit analysis with regard to immigration flow impact on economics and social issues and with regard to how effective a wall would be.
When you’re dealing with a normal emergency like a hurricane it’s quite clear to all that there is a problem. This is not like that, so he needs to convince everyone and he has failed miserably.
A hurricane is unavoidable. If it is coming it IS coming. You can't do anything about it. You can do something about a million illegals crossing the border illegally. Part of a nation;s sovereignty is determining who gets in and who does not. Without borders you have no country. Would you not agree?
Off topic, but something huge is happening behind the scenes.
Pelosi, Schiff, Paul Ryan all laying off POTUS in the same week.
Releasing all the transcripts from Page/Strzok/Ohr etc. in the same week.
Weissmann stepping down.
AG Barr telling Mueller to put up or shut up.
Word on the street is Huber/Horowitz have been investigating deeply for quite some time now and they might actually deliver.
Racket wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Called it. I knew last week he was going to announce before the 17th. I thought he would go back to Austin and announce at SXSW, but I keep forgetting he’s new school and very social media friendly hence the video announcement. Formal announcement rally on the 30th in El Paso. Biden is going to announce in a couple weeks, he’ll either announce the week prior or the week or two after Beto’s rally.
The real candidates are getting in the race now. However, don’t expect any poll jumps until the debates. Literally none of this matters until they all start talking in front of each other and in front of a national audience. I think you’ll see people flock to Biden because he shoulda coulda to run in 2016 and didn’t because of his son‘a death. People will flock to Beto Because he’s young and he speaks well and he’s likeable And does normal people things like ride a freaking skateboard.
Beto is still a loser (couldn't even win his home state against Ted Cruz) and Joe Biden is 77
He lost one race in a Red state and that makes him a "loser"?!?
Just a reminder, everyone loses sometimes. And he's a "loser" right up until he wins the White House.
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Now I won't go and call you a moron because that's just not the way I roll. But if people notice that your post was moronic, well that's on you, not me.
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sally do you think this “emergency” takes priority over others such as climate change, gun murders, and healthcare? I mean if POTUS is going to neglect Congress’ role and be able to decide what is an emergency, then are you at least supportive of an emergency definition test? We should be prioritizing these so called emergencies very carefully then right? I hope you see where I am going with this. If Trump is going to wave his emergency wand, he needs to at least convince the public and his colleagues in government that this is really an emergency and one of higher priority. So far all he has done is repeat his same one or two lines over and over about drugs and rapists, but we have seen no comprehensive cost benefit analysis with regard to immigration flow impact on economics and social issues and with regard to how effective a wall would be.
When you’re dealing with a normal emergency like a hurricane it’s quite clear to all that there is a problem. This is not like that, so he needs to convince everyone and he has failed miserably.
A hurricane is unavoidable. If it is coming it IS coming. You can't do anything about it. You can do something about a million illegals crossing the border illegally. Part of a nation;s sovereignty is determining who gets in and who does not. Without borders you have no country. Would you not agree?
You don’t need physical borders to have a country - ever been to europe or most regions on the planet???
I showed courtesy by answering your question before you addressed mine, so please go ahead and address my questions.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Doesn't matter what he said. Do YOU not agree that it is an emergency???
No, and your numbers are inaccurate.
Alan
I can substantiate my numbers. What are your numbers?
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sally do you think this “emergency” takes priority over others such as climate change, gun murders, and healthcare? I mean if POTUS is going to neglect Congress’ role and be able to decide what is an emergency, then are you at least supportive of an emergency definition test? We should be prioritizing these so called emergencies very carefully then right? I hope you see where I am going with this. If Trump is going to wave his emergency wand, he needs to at least convince the public and his colleagues in government that this is really an emergency and one of higher priority. So far all he has done is repeat his same one or two lines over and over about drugs and rapists, but we have seen no comprehensive cost benefit analysis with regard to immigration flow impact on economics and social issues and with regard to how effective a wall would be.
When you’re dealing with a normal emergency like a hurricane it’s quite clear to all that there is a problem. This is not like that, so he needs to convince everyone and he has failed miserably.
A hurricane is unavoidable. If it is coming it IS coming. You can't do anything about it. You can do something about a million illegals crossing the border illegally. Part of a nation;s sovereignty is determining who gets in and who does not. Without borders you have no country. Would you not agree?
in the hurricane situation an emergency is declared after the hurricane so funds can be found quickly to fix a short term emergency THAT CONGRESS HASN'T ALREADY TOLD THE WH NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON.
What you refuse to acknowledge is that CONGRESS HAS TOLD THE WH NOT TO SPEND 6 BILLION ON A WALL. CONGRESS WANTS THE WH TO HELP AFTER A HURRICANE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Maybe you should ask Trump. He admitted it wasn't an emergency.
Doesn't matter what he said. Do YOU not agree that it is an emergency???
It doesn't matter what the president said? Really?
When this goes to court it will matter a lot what the president said.
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
A hurricane is unavoidable. If it is coming it IS coming. You can't do anything about it. You can do something about a million illegals crossing the border illegally. Part of a nation;s sovereignty is determining who gets in and who does not. Without borders you have no country. Would you not agree?
You don’t need physical borders to have a country - ever been to europe or most regions on the planet???
I showed courtesy by answering your question before you addressed mine, so please go ahead and address my questions.
Thanks for the courtesy. I will try to do the same