My goodness. Even the Atlantic finally admits it's a pandemic of the fully vaccinated.
Brojos...well past time to lock this ridiculous thread.
My goodness. Even the Atlantic finally admits it's a pandemic of the fully vaccinated.
Brojos...well past time to lock this ridiculous thread.
Man Overboard wrote:
My goodness. Even the Atlantic finally admits it's a pandemic of the fully vaccinated.
Brojos... I hate being wrong so please censor stuff I disagree with :(
Just get boosted. Keep up with the thread, it's less embarrassing for you then.
LOLLLLL Harambe, 2600 bro, and precious Roy’s arrogant azzes in shambles
Clayton Bigsby wrote:
LOLLLLL Harambe, 2600 bro, and precious Roy’s arrogant azzes in shambles
Oh for sure :)
Harambe wrote:
None of the above neutralization experiments were with boosted serum. Two doses, prior infection, or hybrid only!
I have spent the last few months acknowledging that prior infection give good immunity, but pushing back on all the dudes insisting it was 'way better' than being vaccinated. Turns out I was right (as usual). That is all.
I am unconcerned about a break through infection as I am boosted. The tragedy is someone with prior infection who thinks they are well protected relative to hybrid folks, ignores getting vaxxed, and then gets very sick. The propaganda you and others have been pushing for months about 'natural immunity' is likely going to turn out to be quite harmful. People need the vax.
In March 2021, 62.3% of the cohort was seropositive. After March 2021, gamma and delta variants predominated. Seropositivity was associated with 69.2% protection from any infection (95% CI: 60.7%-75.9%), with higher protection against moderate or severe infection (79.4%, 95% CI: 64.9%-87.9%).
80% protection against severe disease.. worse than 2x vaccines, let alone 3x!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.23.21266767v1
Many studies,9,20-28 including several reviews,29,30 have demonstrated that prior infection with SARS-CoV-2 is associated with protection from reinfection, yet protection from reinfection with variant SARS-CoV-2 strains has not yet been established. This knowledge is needed,25,29 and some evidence is emerging. One study identified antibodies from four subjects that could bind and neutralize variants.31 A pre-print of a study in Israel (matched retrospective cohort), where vaccination is high and infection rates were <1.5%, found that prior infection was protective against reinfection while delta was predominantly circulating.28,32 The Israel study even found prior infection to be more protective against delta than vaccination;28,32 however, a recent CDC study among hospitalized patients (test-negative design) found the opposite—that vaccination was more protective than prior infection against delta.33 While we cannot address whether vaccination or prior infection is more protective, our findings suggest that immunity induced by prior infection is associated with moderate protection against mostly gamma and delta variants. Though lower than against the original SARS-CoV-2 strain—protection was observed in children, and across levels of severity.
While we did closely monitor households for SARS-CoV-2 transmission, there are likely some subclinical infections we did not detect. This means that our estimates of protection are conservative, as there would likely have been more subclinical infections in the seronegative group.
They are looking at very specific antibody correlates without regard to all nascent cell-mediated and humoral immunity and they are acknowledging a lack of rigor with respect to capturing all reinfections. Also, I would tend to trust Israel more than our own incestuous CDC, with competing interests. It took you longer than everyone else to accept natural immunity in the first place. You really don't know $hit, other than regurgitating a bunch of pre-prints. You are rebutting nobody. Good luck with that cancer you are cultivating.
2600 bro wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
My goodness. Even the Atlantic finally admits it's a pandemic of the fully vaccinated.
Brojos... I hate being wrong so please censor stuff I disagree with :(
Just get boosted. Keep up with the thread, it's less embarrassing for you then.
According to this expert, a mass vaccination program could be a global disaster! 😡
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-09-vaccine-expert-says-never-take-covid-vaccines.htmlhttps://www.globalresearch.ca/renowned-virologist-warns-collapse-health-system-due-complications-covid-vaccines/5763796Covidiot wrote:
While we did closely monitor households for SARS-CoV-2 transmission, there are likely some subclinical infections we did not detect. This means that our estimates of protection are conservative, as there would likely have been more subclinical infections in the seronegative group.
They are looking at very specific antibody correlates without regard to all nascent cell-mediated and humoral immunity and they are acknowledging a lack of rigor with respect to capturing all reinfections. Also, I would tend to trust Israel more than our own incestuous CDC, with competing interests. It took you longer than everyone else to accept natural immunity in the first place. You really don't know $hit, other than regurgitating a bunch of pre-prints. You are rebutting nobody. Good luck with that cancer you are cultivating.
Oh, so now we care about subclinical infections that escape the detection of scientists conducting a careful trial? I see. You guys change your mind every day. I'll try to keep up lol
The fact remains that, when considering infections that are actually detectable, prior infection provides decent protection roughly equivalent to 2x vaccination when we compare the numbers.
Yes, a section of the paper looked at correlations between immune protection and antibody levels, but that has -zero- pertinence to the raw efficacy numbers reported, which used RT-PCR positives.
The CDC had nothing to do with this paper which was run by a group at UM collaborating with scientists in Nicaragua.
I took time to accept natural immunity because I was waiting for the data. I have taken a measured approach thereafter because I did not believe the eye-popping efficacy numbers some observation studies were reporting. Naturally, my hunch was correct and higher quality trials show natural infection provides solid, but not outstanding immunity.
So basically, I've been right all along and my patience and careful reading of the data has paid off.
Man Overboard wrote:
My goodness. Even the Atlantic finally admits it's a pandemic of the fully vaccinated.
Brojos...well past time to lock this ridiculous thread.
What a terrible article. Everyone knows you can still get breakthrough cases. The relative risk post-vaccination is very, very small for basically everyone but the most elderly and immune compromised.
I don't like vaccine fearmongering and I don't like COVID fearmongering.
Omicron is worthy of concern but the title of this prophetic, genius thread still holds. The unvaccinated are driving the pandemic in the USA by filling hospitals, spreading the virus, and generally being very, very dumb.
Get boosted and listen to Harambe. You'll be fine!
With Omicron coming don't forget to get that vaccine even if you've already had COVID. Here's why:
Even if you've been infected, 'natural immunity' does not protect you as well as infection+vax or 3 doses of the vaccine will.
Look at this illuminating study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.23.21266767v1
Prior infection only provided 70% protection against future infection with COVID. That's worse than 2 shots of the vaccine! And way worse than 3!
Also, early neutralization data shows that people only with prior infection don't neutralize Omicron at all!
https://twitter.com/JanineKimpel/status/1468700628922904591
Hybrid immunity (infection+vax) is much stronger in that specific neutralization assay!
Point: even if you've been infected... get that vax!
Apologies for the brief technical issues. We are back with your regularly scheduled antivaxxer owning and science dissemination.
"So basically, I've been right all along .."
Every Harambe comment boils down this deluded assertion
As we approach one year of Covid "vaccines" lets take a trip down memory lane.
5 months ago: Remember this LIE ?
☝️“Unless you are 100% sure that this vaccine is 100% safe for 100% of those who take it (you aren’t), you have NO moral right to force or coerce it on ANYONE. In fact, choosing to do so is an evil action.”
☝️“You can strongly recommend it. You can explain why you think the benefits are worth the drawbacks and/or risks. What you can’t do – if you want to stay on the right side of morality, that is – is impose a negative consequence for making the ‘wrong’ choice. THAT is coercion.”
"Doctor explains how omicron variant could speed up end of COVID pandemic."
This is a double whammy. Boosters are extremely effective, and the findings are delivered by CNN. Double the rage, double the DEVASTATION for antivaxxers
The jab is working but be afraid.
The level of cognitive dissonance needed to believe these two polar opposites at the same time is off the charts
carmine9 wrote:
The jab is working but be afraid.
The level of cognitive dissonance needed to believe these two polar opposites at the same time is off the charts
Would you agree that a strawman argument indicates you've really got nothing of value to add?
Well, ok then wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
The jab is working but be afraid.
The level of cognitive dissonance needed to believe these two polar opposites at the same time is off the charts
Would you agree that a strawman argument indicates you've really got nothing of value to add?
Strawman arguments would be an improvement in form for antivaxxers at this point. The quality of argument on their side has regressed to a form of trolling that even a professional, seasoned, and concerted group of trolls would struggle to emulate
