Direct wrote:
Billy jeans wrote:I am a buyer for a medium/large running retail chain. This debacle has done appalling damage to our impressions of Skins' competence and judgement.
Billy jeans - Wonder if we work for the same corporation? I actually hope we work for different companies, as the impact to Skins' would be greater.
Different I'm sure. We don't do a lot of business with them. Certainly won't be now.
laz quits wrote:
in the final tally,
I am done because I do not want to be party to putting RY in the hospital.
last night, when he did go, was enough.
having seen his physical condition when we left,
I was afraid he might have serious issues.
the "run", for all intents and purposes, is over.
the required daily average, and his maximum daily potential met yesterday.
it was his second 60 mile day while we were here
and, this time it took the entire 24 hours to get it.
the death spiral was complete.
just to stay on pace he had to match yesterday's effort.
with no rest in between.
and he had to do that every day the rest of the run.
that is out of the picture.
looking at the tracker, he has still not moved today.
it is over.
From ulist:
I don't plan to ever write a report about everything I saw
or everything that went on while I was here.
suffice it to say,
that this was not always easy to watch.
this much I will say;
it seems to be a consistent part of this pattern
to make the claims that an individual is somehow "physiologically different" from everyone else.
they are not.
what I saw was the same thing I have seen from multiday runners for decades.
the bright eyed, chipper runner that I first saw last sunday
was reduced to a shambling, hollow eyed, shell.
there were times he was reduced to barely mumbling.
the days he ran his best, were the days he ran the way multi-day runners run.
not the first day, when he tried to blow out those sub-6 minute miles.
like everyone else, he went thru cycles.
during the up times, he moved pretty well.
yesterday was, overall, a really good day.
but, in the final measure, it took all 24 hours to meet the minimum.
and he was wiped out by the effort.
this thing is over.
RY is just a guy, like everyone else.
he looks like a 300 mile 6-day runner.
and that was about what we saw from him while we were out there.
maybe, with good preparation, and a sane strategy, he could run over 350.
having seen how purely tough he is,
I could see him having a shot at 400.
I guess the rest of this saga will play out however it plays out.
but, I gotta say, I found it offensive
seeing the handstand photos and the soccer ball video.
and all that crap early on.
that might have been more of a spur than any of the other stuff
to take a week out of my life,
and spend it on the side of the road.
driving from st Louis to Indianapolis at 2 miles an hour.
if nothing else,
I wanted to see them look like it was a real multiday.
and, for the past 5 days, we got that.
there was not time for anything,
except trying to get miles, or resting to try to get miles.
even driving to a motel a few miles down the road,
was time that was measured, and begrudged,
and often bypassed for the scant minutes saved by sleeping right where they were.
time, the scarcest, of the many scarce resources of the multiday runner.
in the end,
I am sorry I could not write a report about all the good things I found in those guys,
they were open and cooperative.
never made us feel like we were intruders in their show.
they are genuinely nice guys, that I enjoyed getting to know.
and I hope I get to see Robert in some regular multiday races,
where people accept him for who he is,
and he gets to be respected by his peers for the talent and toughness he does have.
laz
*starts a golf clap*
So what was the total tally of actual miles ran, AKA since the geezers showed up?
So Laz thinks he is a 300-400 mile man over six days.
Yet Rob "claims" to have run 373.75 miles in 88 hours and 17 mins without sleep supposedly watched by APersson and CoachKev. Lie most neutral observers, I believe that APersson, is a friend of Rob's who is genuinely believing in him, whilst CoachKev seems to have an agenda.
How did this happen in the race without sleep. Did he start running on day 3 and claimed he had already ran 250 miles? Remember he could run only 147 in 48 hours on a treadmill. I don't think that ANY of his PBs are real
Marginal wrote:
CoachKev quiet today after his recent lame attempts to derail this thread.
The loyalists show up as a group. Andy, Kev, Tom C, and JB1983. It's a brief flare up to try to derail things.
There is a Starbucks right ahead!
All will be fine wrote:
There is a Starbucks right ahead!
6 double espressos with extra sugar and he'll be running 6 min miles again!
Go Rob!
laz quits wrote:
this much I will say;
it seems to be a consistent part of this pattern
to make the claims that an individual is somehow "physiologically different" from everyone else.
laz
Wait until you see our newest Ultrarunning star, Steve Way.
SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
So the Geezers quit, Rob now "runs" 70mpd, his FB followers singing his praises "wow Rob incredible comeback you are sooo strong!!!"??
Correct.
Rob wins.
DMulvee wrote:
So Laz thinks he is a 300-400 mile man over six days.
Yet Rob "claims" to have run 373.75 miles in 88 hours and 17 mins without sleep supposedly watched by APersson and CoachKev. Lie most neutral observers, I believe that APersson, is a friend of Rob's who is genuinely believing in him, whilst CoachKev seems to have an agenda.
How did this happen in the race without sleep. Did he start running on day 3 and claimed he had already ran 250 miles? Remember he could run only 147 in 48 hours on a treadmill. I don't think that ANY of his PBs are real
The only record of his 373.75 without sleep is the last ~85 miles of it taking almost 24 hours - ~60 miles 13 hours with APersson, and 23.75 in the next 13 hours (according to math from his website PBs). Which is right about where his abilities are. Probably he ran a stretch before APersson, maybe a few stretches here and there with his "crew" (ie, Dustin Cookin the Books Brooks).
Robert,
Run or walk we in Britain are proud of you. You have run the American Laz into the ground and he has quit, again showing British bulldog determination.
You shall go on to the end, you shall run in Ohio, you shall run in Pennsylvania and Nee York to the oceans,
You shall run with growing confidence and growing strength in your legs, we shall defend our British hero whatever the cost may be,
Run on the beaches,
Run on the grounds,
Run in the fields and in the streets,
Run in the hills;
You shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, you were to falter or be injured, we would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time British superiority is displayed for all.
I command you to finish and to do so within 8 days from now. Do so or perish in the effort. Return home to a Hero's welcome or in your shield.
I remain your Queen
Hello, My name is Gil.
I find the Ultra event of running without sleep fascinating and I am looking to organize some similar race ideas. Can you help me with my list?
1. Ultra run- days without a bowel movement.
2. Ultra run-day without flatulence.
3. Ultra run-days without hiccups.
4. Ultra run- days without sneezing.
So far #1 and #3 seem like they might catch on with the Ultra community. Got any more ideas for me to consider?
Thanks
Gil
(future Ultra RD)
Golden Corral, Wal-Mart, Chuck-E Cheese coming up. Smart money is that they stop at Golden Corral.
So if Laz is out, are the other Ultra dudes still monitoring?
And more importantly, Is Fake Laz still going to deliver reports?
So Laz and co have bailed out on this?
Anyone else now scrutinising what is happening out there?
Tracker looks static just now.
What is to stop him claiming some bull about finding inspiration from a kid or a sausage roll on the road and managing to get his mojo back and still beating the record?
UK Ultra fan wrote:
Wait until you see our newest Ultrarunning star, Steve Way.
I think Steve is a "runner" rather than a long distance walker as in 3:54 for 40 Miles a few months ago.
http://www.thepowerof10.info/rankings/rankinglist.aspx?event=40Miles&agegroup=ALL&sex=M&alltime=yI don't know Steve but I do know two people on that list - also definitely runners.
Update to Ulist from Laz:
forgive me for taking the liberty of helping rob
but having no cause to watch a man suffer unnecessarily
i literally gave him the shirt off my back
van huesen, lightly starched
oh robert, we have mourned you dead three times today
he walks aimlessly now
like an envelope with no address
and when his walking becomes too much to bare
he's slows himself down by running at a proper ultra-pace
i see great potential in him
he seems to be shaking hands with the pain
usually with his left hand
must be a british thing
he shows the visual signs of needing rest
but if Rob slept now
im afraid he'd wake up dead
and that is the worst way to wake up
-'laz
is it over yet? wrote:
What is to stop him claiming some bull about finding inspiration from a kid or a sausage roll on the road and managing to get his mojo back and still beating the record?
The masses of lrc boots on the ground?
DMulvee wrote:
So Laz thinks he is a 300-400 mile man over six days.
Yet Rob "claims" to have run 373.75 miles in 88 hours and 17 mins without sleep supposedly watched by APersson and CoachKev. Lie most neutral observers, I believe that APersson, is a friend of Rob's who is genuinely believing in him, whilst CoachKev seems to have an agenda.
How did this happen in the race without sleep. Did he start running on day 3 and claimed he had already ran 250 miles? Remember he could run only 147 in 48 hours on a treadmill. I don't think that ANY of his PBs are real
Exactly.
His PBs, his pro cycling career, his tri championship, his child abuse... it's all fake.
But are the Geezers really quitting? They said they would go to NY?
So the Geezers quit, Rob now "runs" 70mpd, his FB followers singing his praises "wow Rob incredible comeback you are sooo strong!!!"??
Disappointing to hear the Geezers quitting when he is still walking. Rob is going to be riding in the RV as soon as they go with a magical 100 mile day. We definitely need boots on the ground or at least set up some kind of auto saving on the traffic cameras along the route.