2018 Commonwealth Games Discussion Thread.

... as well as black and brown and red and yellow guys, from the "rest of the world". What sort of remedy can you think of that wasn't tried in the 28 years between 1990 and 2018?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

White guys are just so slow, perhaps we should try some sort of remedy. If only I could think of something that would help ?

Your faith in the impact of EPO and lack of OOC blood-testing is quite strong. Here are some more facts to add in: Kenya and Ethiopia began to show their depth at long distance world domination as early as the '80s, pre-EPO, in cross-country, when their populations were much smaller. EPO was available worldwide to those who wanted it, with the means (ask any cyclist). Before 2000, Kenya was subject to the same testing for EPO -- none. Between 2002-2009, Kenya was subject to the same OOC testing for EPO -- urine. The urine test was easily beatable. If guys like "Clayton Murphey, Kyle Langford, Centrowitch and Jake Wightman" wanted to reach the finals against Kenyans and Ethiopians, those were the best years to do it, when the tests were non-existant, and easily beatable. Counter-intuitively, a few Americans started improving after testing ramped up again, with the introduction of the ABP in 2009. The best distance running athletes from non-African nations are often (by far) East African ex-pats (Kipketer, Lagat, Wanjiru, Meb, Khannouchi, Farah, WCAP, ...) Kenyan ex-pats like Sammy Wanjiru were subject to "the same testing". When you compare Wanjiru's bests, in a career cut short, without any record attempts, in aggressive, tactical races, at 10000m (50 seconds), half-marathon (1 min.), and marathon (1 min.), against the all time bests of his Japanese "teammates", do you really believe that it was due to over/under the counter EPO and lack of EPO testing, while he was based in Japan? That is "quite remarkable".

Coevett wrote:

When you add in the fact that EPO is available over the counter (or 'under the counter') at every high street pharmacy in Kenya, it's quite remarkable that guys like Clayton Murphey, Kyle Langford, Centrowitch and Jake Wightman are even capable of reaching finals.

When Kenyans are subjected to the same testing as everybody else, they wil need a population of over a billion to stay dominant.

If only we could have used your mind skills on the Nazis during WW2. 'You cannot win white Aryan men, your drugs don't work.'

Too much common sense, rekrunner. They can't handle that much.

Keeping it related to running, Jesse Owens put Aryan physical superiority in check. It doesn't take much mind skills to objectively observe 28 years of track and field performance history. The men of "5 Continents" hit a ceiling in the 1500m around 1985 (with two exceptions). What does that say for the drugs and methods of the 1990's, 2000's and 2010's?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

If only we could have used your mind skills on the Nazis during WW2. 'You cannot win white Aryan men, your drugs don't work.'

You think you're so smart wrote:

B.O.: Are saying you believe Kenyan men will sweep both 800m & 1500m at 2019 World Championships, Athletics?

They've never swept in 8 nor 15 at the WC's, and altough their last two WC's have been their best with two top spots, a total sweep won't happen.

rekrunner wrote:

Keeping it related to running, Jesse Owens put Aryan physical superiority in check.

It doesn't take much mind skills to objectively observe 28 years of track and field performance history.

The men of "5 Continents" hit a ceiling in the 1500m around 1985 (with two exceptions).

What does that say for the drugs and methods of the 1990's, 2000's and 2010's?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

If only we could have used your mind skills on the Nazis during WW2. 'You cannot win white Aryan men, your drugs don't work.'

Elaborate ⤴again, I'm pretty sure every country has improved on 1985 1500m times except Britain for obvious reasons (3:29 is tough to beat).

Kenya is winning the World Championships 1500m because they get to enter 4 runners (the defending champion pass). At the Olympics this falls apart on them having only 3 entered, as soon as one is eliminated in the earlier rounds, team tactics are gone.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Kenya is winning the World Championships 1500m because they get to enter 4 runners (the defending champion pass). At the Olympics this falls apart on them having only 3 entered, as soon as one is eliminated in the earlier rounds, team tactics are gone.

They've done pretty poorly in the 1500m at the last three Olympics indeed, with a total of one medal out of nine. Two more if you count the women. A total of 3/18.

Far far better at the 800: 5/9 for the men and 3/9 for the women, altough one of those are won by the man Wambui....

How about USA? 3:29 is tough to beat, but recall that 4 people ran 3:29's in the mid-80s. If only someone had thought of a remedy that would help.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Elaborate ⤴again, I'm pretty sure every country has improved on 1985 1500m times except Britain for obvious reasons (3:29 is tough to beat).