Why can't you PC Bros accept that East Africans dope? Are you so full of self hate that you just cannot accept that Kenyans are like everyone else in the world, when presented with a chance to make more money they will do whatever it takes.
Why can't you PC Bros accept that East Africans dope? Are you so full of self hate that you just cannot accept that Kenyans are like everyone else in the world, when presented with a chance to make more money they will do whatever it takes.
El Keniano wrote:
trollism wrote:2 golds in London for the all conquering (and at that point, zero dope tested) Kenyans?
How many did GB get in track and field again? Just remind me.
Who topped the medals table last year in Beijing? Oh, and half of your Athletics golds in your home Olympics by one AlSal & Jamba Juice product. Take him out and there's no athletics in the UK. Do I think he's been protected by UKAD while on a full on smear war against others? You bet!
Every single one of your gold medallists have access to an array of PEDs, and NONE are tested regularly out of competition. Do I think most are dopers? You bet! At the end of the day it would be stupid of them not to given how easy it is to get away with it in Kenya.
TrackCoach wrote:
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In terms Mo, I think he might come out clean in this matter simply because the times periods where he has training with Aden are not the ideal times of the year for doping and are not long enough to get the best effects from doping. You actually need a couple of months of strong OOC doping and preferably several weeks of on/off micro doping June and July leading up to a global championship. Also, a smart multimillionaire Nike athlete is probably not going dope as part of a large group, Mo can afford to have a one-on-one relationship with a doping doctor if he felt inclined to dope. Btw, there have been athletes who trained with dirty coaches and athletes and choose not to dope themselves. I personally know an athlete who trained with a coach who offered them dope and knew some of her teammates were doping, but choose not to dope themselves. AW, LATC and Sprint Capitol for example was a combination of clean and dirty athletes.
Maybe.
But after all Mo dealt with during the Al Sal thing, he'd have been absolutely insane to associate, in any way at all, with a sketchy coach .... Whether Mo was on the juice or not. If Mo knew Jama was dodgy (given Willis' comments, how could he not know), the question of WTF was Mo doing even going near Jama is a very real one.
agip wrote:
3Q 2015 summary:
Between October and December 2015, 2042 Tests were attempted on behalf of 41 National Governing
Bodies, International Federations and National Anti-Doping Organisations. Tests conducted during Quarter
3 included:
• Football Association 651 Tests
• World Rugby 312 Tests
• Rugby Football League 219 Tests
• British Cycling Federation 107 Tests
• UK Athletics 91 Tests
91 tests per quarter for the whole of UK Athletics. That's roughly the number of tests USADA did on NOP athletes.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
trollism wrote:It's also weird because British sportspeople get tested a lot and Kenyans don't.
This claim keeps getting posted and there is no proof it is true or false. UKAD posts NO testing statistics. Zero.
What's the basis for your claim?
Adding some facts to the claim British sportspeople get tested a lot.
IAAF = international federation
UKA = national federation
We can be pretty confident these are all urinalysis.
Rugby and Football by far the most tested and sanctioned.
Q4 1-January to 31 March
225 missed tests
2015-Q4 IAAF 37 in-competition 49 out-of-competition.
2015-Q4 UKA 23 in-competition 117 out-of-competition
Q3 1-October to 31 December
137 missed tests
2015-Q3 IAAF 34 in-competition 0 (zero) out of competition.
2015-Q3 UKA 10 in-competition 81 out of competition.
Q2 1-July to 30-September.
199 missed tests...
2015-Q2 IAAF 44 in-competition 5 out of competition
2015-Q2 UKA 31 in-competition 86 out of competition
Q1 1-April to 30-June
109 missed tests
2015-Q1 IAAF 46 in-competition 56 out of competition
2015-Q1 UKA 19 in-competition 75 out of competition
Q2 and Q3 are very light on OOC testing. I don't know how big UKA's registered test pool is.
The link below tells me 2015 had 1445 meets.
http://www.britishathleticsclubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Fact-File-41final.pdfThe link below states 20,000 active athletes.
http://www.britishathleticsclubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DCMS-survey-ABACs-responses-final.pdfThe facts suggest that perhaps UK track and field isn't getting "a lot" of testing.
Read this, and weep wrote:
13:09 man wrote:It almost seems like an ideological battle is going on. Let's suppose for a moment that what we always hear - "all elite athletes are doping" - is true, more or less. After all, we know from cycling that it CAN be true in at least some sports - it wasn't just one or two bad apple cyclists from one or two countries doing the doping. Nearly every cyclist of any consequence was doping (and most of them were not Russian). It seems entirely plausible, and some evidence supports it, that track and field is just as dirty as cycling, regardless of nationality.
So in that case, what we are saying to Russia is, No No No! That is not how doping is done. Sure, you have to dope in order to be competitive, but you can't be so centrally organized about it! The proper way to dope is to have smaller training groups, and even single individuals, who procure their own dope through whatever means they can. More of a "free market doping" style rather than a centralized doping style.
This is batsh*t crazy, but insightful -- very insightful.
Well, except for the fact that the US is full of clean athletes, who just happen to be the ones I like.
Agree with this.
trollism wrote:
To be fair, Kenya competes in one small part of one sport and they still put the UK to 'shame' in terms of dope positives (and the UK is strong in many many sports.)
How many UK sub 2:08 marathoners are there exactly?
The US and UK dictating doping tests explains all the positives, Kenya, Russia etc, but not the US or UK, the most overly medicated countries in the world.
How strong exactly wrote:
trollism wrote:To be fair, Kenya competes in one small part of one sport and they still put the UK to 'shame' in terms of dope positives (and the UK is strong in many many sports.)
How many UK sub 2:08 marathoners are there exactly?
The US and UK dictating doping tests explains all the positives, Kenya, Russia etc, but not the US or UK, the most overly medicated countries in the world.
Oh poor poverty stricken Kenya can't get access to the good shit like in the West 👌ðŸ¼
Loosen up the tinfoil hat.
Triumph of the Swill wrote:
The concern I raised goes along these lines: loads of athletes are doping - Russians, Africans, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, Chinese.... The IAAF, led by Anglo/US/Nike interests, specifically targets only certain groups of dopers, leaving their golden geese free to dope as before and get a way with it.
There is already a perception among a large segment of the desired public that Russians and Africans are dirty, and just tend to be that way by nature, whereas Brits and Americans are hard-working, upstanding, ethical athletes, and any Brit or Yank who gets busted is just a bad apple.
The rich whites in American have no problem taking drugs, along with their white UK friends Radcliffe and Coe.
Google translate
The Somali-Dutch marathon runner Abdi Nageeye who is friends with Farah, was also on the conscious photos. He knows Aden internships in Ethiopia, but has never walked in his schemes.
The Somali-Dutch marathon runner Abdi Nageeye
Against the athletics website Loose Lace he said Monday about the incident with Driouch. "We knew that boy. Only when he was gone from the group, we heard that he was suspended. I told him that when it resented and was angry with him. "
http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/schippers-mogelijk-alsnog-atlete-van-het-jaar-2015~a4324925/
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:This claim keeps getting posted and there is no proof it is true or false. UKAD posts NO testing statistics. Zero.
What's the basis for your claim?
Adding some facts to the claim British sportspeople get tested a lot.
The facts suggest that perhaps UK track and field isn't getting "a lot" of testing.
I hope the UK focuses its testing firepower on potential medalists...if they do that, 91 tests isn't so small...eyeballing 2015 worlds, the UK won only 6 medals. One was a relay so that makes 9 people. Maybe there are 20 other potential medalists? 30 tests per month isn't insignificant.
I'm always logical. Logic requires objective facts, and not jumping on a sensationalist bandwagon full of innuendo.I don't troll on the Paula threads, unless you consider asking for something concrete, direct, and objective is trolling.I'm American, so I don't think it's patriotism.This story already has something that none of the Paula threads do -- concrete evidence of banned substances linked to a coach, training with a group of athletes. It already has two athletes and a coach directly connected to Aden, corroborating the story and other athletes tweeting their doubts.Again, let's wait and see what the testing shows, what the documents show, and what we learn from other athletes, coaches, and the investigation.
casual obsever wrote:
rekrunner wrote:Everyone who knows me knows I'm a "wait and see" kind of guy, but even I'm afraid this association is not looking very good for Genzebe Dibaba at this moment. Let's wait and see what comes out from the testing, and other investigations.
Lol. That from you - must be your first time to act logical on this forum.
So are you admitting to trolling on the various Paula threads, or is that simply your patriotism shining through here?
13:09 man wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:What was published about the doping at the time of Puerto is old news at this point.
Jama must have been moving quite a lot of PEDs, for quite a long time, for this to get to the level of 24 hour surveillance and criminal bust.
If this investigation started on Diack's watch, it was probably designed as a way to extort money from Aden's group. Then Coe inherited it, and badly needed to score some points as an anti-doping crusader. Wham. Points scored, and takes out a bunch of competitive Africans to boot. Makes it easier for nice English, American, and European athletes to take home the championship medals. Make T & F popular again, like in the 1980s. No more of these 5000m races where the first 9 places are Kenyan or Ethiopian. The sport will be more marketable if we have a "clean" Englishman battling "clean" Americans, "clean" Aussies, and "clean" Western Europeans for the gold. Nike will be happy.
"Targeted testing" is a great idea if applied properly. That's why it's so great that Sebastian Coe is in charge. He's the right man for the job. He knows who to target.
Are you a racist? What's color got to do with it. If they had the drugs and did the drugs it will be found out.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:This claim keeps getting posted and there is no proof it is true or false. UKAD posts NO testing statistics. Zero.
What's the basis for your claim?
Adding some facts to the claim British sportspeople get tested a lot.
IAAF = international federation
UKA = national federation
We can be pretty confident these are all urinalysis.
Rugby and Football by far the most tested and sanctioned.
Q4 1-January to 31 March
225 missed tests
2015-Q4 IAAF 37 in-competition 49 out-of-competition.
2015-Q4 UKA 23 in-competition 117 out-of-competition
Q3 1-October to 31 December
137 missed tests
2015-Q3 IAAF 34 in-competition 0 (zero) out of competition.
2015-Q3 UKA 10 in-competition 81 out of competition.
Q2 1-July to 30-September.
199 missed tests...
2015-Q2 IAAF 44 in-competition 5 out of competition
2015-Q2 UKA 31 in-competition 86 out of competition
Q1 1-April to 30-June
109 missed tests
2015-Q1 IAAF 46 in-competition 56 out of competition
2015-Q1 UKA 19 in-competition 75 out of competition
Q2 and Q3 are very light on OOC testing. I don't know how big UKA's registered test pool is.
The link below tells me 2015 had 1445 meets.
http://www.britishathleticsclubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Fact-File-41final.pdfThe link below states 20,000 active athletes.
http://www.britishathleticsclubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DCMS-survey-ABACs-responses-final.pdfThe facts suggest that perhaps UK track and field isn't getting "a lot" of testing.
how many top level guys are there in uk athletics?
like none. they will be testing 3:59 milers
El Keniano wrote:
trollism wrote:The non-compliance issue and......the bus load of positive tests - you forgot about the bus load.
Think that's an important factor as to why Kenya should be looked upon with suspicion.
Yes. A bus load of third and fourth-tier Kenyans. Again, test all you want. Kenyan high schoolers will continue to be better runners than the best the British system can conjure up. That will never change.
I'm going to politely invite you to Shut Up, until you write a long post about how wrong it has been for Kenya to get away with no out of competition testing for so many decades while other countries, countries with athletes that have mostly lost medals and monies to certainly some percentage of dirty Kenyan's.
Keino and Bolt and others have been screaming for Kenya to get this together, to get out of competitive in line with the regulations...
While you think it would mean something for them to test clean in an obvious time when they would have already been doping and are off the stuff and likely to test clean -- and are gleeful about "rubbing their face in it."
A bit biased, there. So, shut up, already!
20,000 will include every amateur club runner in the country. Maybe they should be testing me? I did SMASH 40minutes at the 10k on Friday. OMG how am I getting away with it?
Triple Talked wrote:
JohnsonBLVD wrote:You are so full of shit. Everyone is Innocent till proven guilty??? Is that how you treated the Oregon Project around this time last year?
One year later and the investigations are over yet you still look at them like they are doping. Save it.
wejo wrote:
Spare me the indignation. We have never said they are dopers.
This is what Alberto Salazar has admitted to doing.
The double talk turn around wrote:
Wejo is correct. He never once said NOP IS GUILTY.
^Fixed
Not to mention he's publically admitted to trolling his own board, to using other names and handles to stir things up; that he and his brother have baited each other under false handles to try and create a buzz on the board...or bait certain perceptions?
Small clarification for brojos wondering why they don't remember dibaba' sister winning: dibaba was second at 2011 Chicago, was bumped to gold after Russian caught
STFU K wrote:
Triple Talked wrote:^Fixed
Not to mention he's publically admitted to trolling his own board, to using other names and handles to stir things up; that he and his brother have baited each other under false handles to try and create a buzz on the board...or bait certain perceptions?
Sounds like what Trump is doing.
I KNEW IT wrote:
FOR OVER 4 YEARS, I'VE BEEN SAYING 'DIDOPER' ON HERE AND I HAVE BEEN BANNED SEVERAL TIMES, AND CALLED A RAYYYYYYYYCIST HUNDREDS OF TIMES.
WHITE GUILT IS WHAT HAS CAUSED THIS. ANYTIME YOU QUESTION THESE AFRICAN CHEATERS YOU ARE IMMEDIATELY CALLED A RAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCISTTTTTT, AND TOLD BLACKS ARE SUPERIOR(IRONIC HUH).
maybe you were banned bc you're super f_cking annoying.