50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

Racerdb wrote:

Trust me on this one...Skinn is in a different world than all of us. It amazes me what he can do...Pretty excited about him being on our 50's team next year!

I'll say!

Racerdb wrote:Have you heard anything about the XC Champs being back in Lexington in 2012? I saw a post a few weeks back saying it was rumored...

Nope. All I know is that a bid was put in, but I've not heard anything beyond what some local official felt.

It's looking like the xc club meet is will really big. Already the masters women's race has nearly 160 women and I don't think it's ever been much over 100. AND 60 of those women are 50-59!! Absolutely amazing! It should be really fun.

The masters men's race is huge, though I don't know the numbers, but I'd say easily 500 guys. It's exciting to see more and more teams taking part.

I saw on the USATF website that the race is indeed in Lexington, KY next year -- and I have some unfinished business with that course (I sprained my ankle the day in got to KY and was somewhat hobbled during the race -- couldn't even run the course preview). But it was a *great* course and I can't wait to run it again. The year after, it is headed to BEND, OR! While that is pretty close for me, it is also at altitude, so that should be interesting (and not necessarily good for us flat-landers). We'll see.

It's been cold (for us) here - in the low 40s during the day, but it hasn't rained much. It looks like it will remain the same for the week, with the only precipitation coming on Sunday (rain/snow).

Have a great week and say hi if you are in Seattle! I'll be wearing orange.

4. Brief Report on Upcoming Events

...other events...

2012 Club Championships (Lexington, KY, December 8, 2012)

Thanks nyloco for pulling up that document, I was about to point to that same document. I also "googled" Bend, OR, and see that there were announcements of the 2013 Club XC nationals selection reported in some local papers; didn't find anything on the USATF website yet.

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Week 28

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As a way of starting off the week, I want to congratulate the Masters Distance Runners of the year announced yesterday:

Quoting from

Quite worthy recipients, all. Here's the slate that they were selected from:

Prett stiff competition!!

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As for my own week, not much. As I indicated last week, my right foot was hurting on the outside midfoot region, and I was a little fearful I might be getting a stress reaction. Still not fully sure. My Sun-Sat daily totals were: 0,1.5,3,3.5,3,0,8 for a grand total of 19 miles. Purposely kept it low, and felt things were feeling pretty good by Thursday, Friday just got so bogged down with meetings, proposals to be completed/presented, and events to attend, that I just couldn't get out the door. Saturday, had a nice run with a 1-mile surge @6:06 in the middle, but afterwards, the foot is a little tender. Still can't tell whether it is just muscular (seems so) or something more serious. I'll keep an eye on it and tread cautiously for the foreseeable future.

Hope everyone is having a great week, and again, good luck to those running in the very competitive Club XC meet this coming weekend in Seattle! Make sure you get down to the Pike Place Market while you're there. Maybe make it up to my favorite little haunt Murphy's' Pub up in Wallingford, and have a pint for me. Ahhh, those were good times.

Keep it real!

PROPS to a couple of my teammates for being named "masters of the year" at USATF...congrats Brian Pilcher (M55-59) and Christine Kennedy (W55-59) of Tamalpa Runners!

Good luck to all ye who shall race Club XC Nationals next week...been writing workouts for a group of W50s that may give Muddy's gals in orange a run for their money...promises to be a great show in Seattle.

Managed another 42 for the week and passed 2000 miles YTD yesterday morning...been blessed with remarkable December sunshine and taking advantage of every second of it.

Have a splendid week...go Niners!

MF

Week of 11/27 - 12/03

Sun, 11/27: 12.5 miles with usual Sunday group. Averaged 7:15/mile pace, starting off closer to 8:00s and finishing up with 6:45, 6:24, 6:30.

Mon, 11/28: planned off.

Tue, 11/29: 2 mi. warmup, ladder down (1200m - 4:32, 1100m - 4:09, 1000m - ???, 900m - 3:20, 800m - 2:59, 400m - :83 all with 300m jogs), 2 mi. cooldown. Day's total = 8+ miles.

Wed, 11/30: 6 miles @ 6:50/mile avg. Supposed to be a recovery run but the group got a little crazy.

Thu, 12/01: 8 miles EASY @ 8:07/mile avg. Finally a recovery run!

Fri, 12/02: 1.5 mi. warmup, 10 x 1:00 hard, 1:00 easy, 1.5 mi. cooldown. Day's total = 6 miles.

Sat, 12/03: 6.5 miles easy (untimed) on Lacamas Heritage trail.

Week's total = 48 miles.

Weights/core on Mon, Tue, Wed & Thu.

This week will be a taper/cutback week for next Saturday's Club Nationals 10k.

How did Pete Magill not get the MOY for the 50-54 age group?

My running week that was:

M, 15min jog + 4 strides + 1:58 surge + 7min jog.

T, 50min easy.

W, 15min jog + 4 strides + 5min surge + 8min jog.

T, 40min easy.

F, no running.

S, 15min jog + 4 strides + 6400m tempo (24:07) + 8min jog.

S, 70min "easy".

Saturday tempo felt easier and was slightly faster paced than a 4k tempo from 2 weeks ago. Sunday run was the longest I've done in quite a while, on chiptrail with a bitch of a hill every 4.5k or so.

My son helped me with this report: :)

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lucKY2b wrote:

Skuj, I'm like racedb and vic, not a lot of fast-twitch going on in this body. I could probably pull off a low to mid-60s quarter if I *really* worked at it (I'd probably injure myself for good in the process.) I'm reminded of a conversation I had way back in high-school with one of the sprinters on the team who was amazed at how hard we distance runner's worked; he just couldn't comprehend the volume of running and length of time we spent training, to which I replied: "Do you think I'd be a distance runner if I could sprint?"

Keep it real!

Haha. Of course I was never anywhere near as competitive (wrong word, that, haha) at 400m down as I was at 800m up, but I do enjoy exploring the low end, or should I say high end? And I'm sure I'd train for sprints utilizing my background and strengths, rather than pretending that suddenly I am a sprinter. I just think, if I'm doing this at 80 or 100, those distances are where I will be. I think?? :)

Skuj wrote:

My son helped me with this report: :)

Hey, that's great. My daughter was never that "helpful" at that age. ;-)

To imarunr, don't know what the thinking was. Certainly Joe Sheeran had a very decent body of work, so I wouldn't want to rain on his parade, so big congrats to him. But I will agree that Magill's 10k run was truly, truly a remarkable achievement. Maybe they wanted more (and more diverse) races, or maybe they didn't like that he's been rocking the boat lately (which hopefully will lead to some positive change.) Anybody know more about the selection process?

MikeF, major kudos to your teammates; must be those hills north of the Bay that make them so strong...that and a good training plan, among other things.

Chubby Chaser wrote:

Charlie S wrote:

Actually, Skuj, I've changed my mind. Don't go away; at least not until you've answered the questions about the many post deletions in this thread. Conventional wisdom seems to think you are behind it. If not, let us know and we can direct our efforts in another direction. Feel free to answer under an anonymous handle; perhaps one used by one of those 50+ posters that has been driven away from this thread by your alleged actions. Or you can take the cowardly route and delete this post instead of acting like a man. It's time we put an end to this nonsense. It's up to you.

Actually I'd like to hear the reply to this too

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Anyhow!!!!!!!!!!

My week?

Close to a 3 hr. week of running...maintaining fitness & consistency..

Sport wise things could hardly be better than in the land of cheddar. Badgers on to the Rose Bowl.. Packers in another nail-biting victory.

Thanks for the headsup on the Hartland team and X-C beyond our local scope.

My running week consisted of one 5 mile run at 10 min/mile pace. 5 days of Cross-training as needs be has been in the form of work, primarily fire wood processing. In seems I can muster the energy to do the work, or some training. Unfortunately not both, as in years gone by. Maybe it's a disguised blessing, as a sore right ankle and quirky achilles have been manifest since the GB turkey trot.

Looking forward to some X-C skiing in the week to come. The 5" of new snow should freeze tonight and provide a base for the Rib Lake trails. AKA my personal favorite glacial roller coaster.

Awesome persona and performances up for discussion tonight.

MF... keep on truckin'!!

Why are they counting his track time ?

Nothing to exciting from me running wise. My knee is still giving me a little bit of cheek but loosens up the longer I run, a good sign I think.

Mon -kyak 40mins. Single leg squats, chinups.

Tue -mtn bike 1hr. kyak 90mins. bush run 30mins.

Wed -Steep 35min uphill run with an easy d/hill return of 25mns.

Thu -An hour of bush running then 25mins mtn biking and 20mins kyak.

Fri -No running, single leg squats, dips.

Sat - 8km run on railtrail 40mins.

Sun -An hour of rugged trail runing, very slow.

Okay sorry I haven't posted is some time, traveling and way too many holiday family events. NY was not what I was looking for. 1st off, I got a viral infection two weeks out and was on medication through the Thursday of marathon week, not good but the doctor thought maybe I could bounce back (of course him not actually being a runner didn't seem to phase me). I get out on the race course and can't even do one mile for my previous 23 MP paced simulator run at 7:30; so I drop down to 7:45 and that's even a struggle. Bottom line I have to come to a complete stop twice at water stops and run 3:33:10. A very expensive training run. Just didn't have it coming off the bridge at mile 4 I knew I was in for a rather longish day. Haven't run a big city marathon in a long time, very difficult passing with teams running four and five abreast. My rehab was very easy taking only two off days for travel and back up to marathon volume within two weeks which is where I sit now. Sat., 4 up, 8 tempo @ 6:48, 6 down for 18. I am wondering if it's insane to try and regroup for another effort 10 weeks post the ING, any thoughts. I do need a break pretty soon from all the volume and definitely looking forward to some short speedy stuff as I've lost some leg speed with the marathon training. BTW unbelievable to see Dick cranking out 93 mile weeks, still a stud all the way man...

rlb wrote:

What happened to my post from last night? There was NOTHING even remotely wrong with what I wrote. Seriously these deletions have gotten way out of hand.

Charlie, check your inbox.

Charlie S wrote:

The deletion of my last post is a tacit admission of guilt from Skuj. Why else would it have been deleted?

If you, like me, are a legitimate 50+ runner and are tired of this newcomer's power play in our thread, feel free to email me. I will compile any and all complaints and forward them to the moderating team.

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lucKY2b, please e-mail me.

Today for 27 1/2 min., a 10 day running streak tho' no mbige mileage to write home about.

Hey Vic, is it just me or are you doing more running than before? 3hrs for you last week, well done. (6 days x 30min = 3hrs, and that would be a decent week for me too.)

I think you should do it. You seemed to have recovered well after this ordeal, and 3:33 wasn't exactly a "race" for you, even though it must have been awful for you in other ways. When was your previous Marathon to NY? 10 weeks = 2 to recover, 2 to taper, 6 at volume....how'd that 18 feel? Anyway, I'd do it.

Hey desert rat. Thanks for bringing us up to date. No shame in what you did; when it comes to marathons, seems that there are so many variables that can derail you that just finishing can often times be the reward.

I agree with skuj on your question about running another. If you're properly marathon trained (which you most certainly seem to be), and you didn't absolutely kill yourself on this first one, there is no reason you can't run another on 10 weeks intervening time. A good friend of mine, who usually averages 70-85 mpw routinely runs two fall marathons spaced 2 or so months apart, he usually runs better on the second one.

But who am I to talk? I've never been properly trained for the marathon.

Skuj, the 18 felt fine. The tempo I cut off purposefully so as to not overcook. But... I could have held that pace another couple miles for sure. This would be my 4th week at a normal marathon volume. Just don't have the snap back yet in the legs. I would like to toe it up sometime being healthy and rested. At my age (a few weeks shy of 59) I just don't know how many more chances I'll get to race the marathon again. I take everyday here a blessing and hate to waste opportunity to romp.