This makes it sound like your cross country and track coaches are permitting doping. They let him on the team, knowing about these reports, and did no investigation?
Before this statement, I thought that Rowan had done some sort of investigation and believed Seth was innocent.
Rowan just made the whole team look guilty.
If I were a runner at Rowan, I would be looking to transfer ASAP.
I imagine the administration at Rowan is furious with the coaching staff right now. I can forgive the university for being unaware of the accusations. Track is probably the last thing they care about. The coaching staff should have known better. You don't let a suspected doper on your team without a thorough investigation. You gotta think this is grounds for termination.
I wonder how many committed recruits will be backing out over the next few months.
Rowan has not posted about the statement on Instagram, only on their athletics page. Seems like they are trying to cover themselves by releasing a "statement" even if it is not very easily or widely seen. Interesting to say the least, seems a little tongue in cheek.
This makes it sound like your cross country and track coaches are permitting doping. They let him on the team, knowing about these reports, and did no investigation?
Before this statement, I thought that Rowan had done some sort of investigation and believed Seth was innocent.
To be fair, the statement only says that Rowan is now aware of the allegations – perhaps the AD and administrators previously were not. But I have to imagine that the XCTF coaches did. The Iowa State suspensions were a pretty big story last fall, and even if the coaches hadn't heard of it, sub-24 8k runners don't randomly transfer from Iowa State to Rowan midway through the school year.
Most likely, the Rowan coaches snapped at the chance to pick up a ready-made national champion, hoping that the suspicions and rumors would blow over. Since no official information has come out of Iowa State, they had plausible deniability taking Clevenger at his word. After all, we don't even have official confirmation that Clevenger was suspended – Iowa State didn't name the runners. As such, Rowan could argue (in bad faith) that they thought Clevenger had transferred for unrelated reasons.
Their statement says they are aware of media accusing him. They did their due diligence. Posters here and any real media accusing him should be worried.
Their statement says they are aware of media accusing him. They did their due diligence. Posters here and any real media accusing him should be worried.
For the record no real media outlet accused him for anything all it was was “multiple iowa state athletes suspended” lol
Their statement says they are aware of media accusing him. They did their due diligence. Posters here and any real media accusing him should be worried.
The only people who should be worried right now are the coaches at Rowan. It sounds like the University had no idea what was going on, and the coaching staff tried to get away with running an athlete accused of doping. This looks BAD for the coaches. Perhaps I give people too much credit, but I had assumed the coaches had a good reason to believe Seth. Now it just seems they wanted a fast runner for their program, even if it came from a moral gray area.
One of your main priorities as a collegiate coach should be to find athletes who represent your program and university well. The coaches failed, and now the administration is piecing it together.
Their statement says they are aware of media accusing him. They did their due diligence. Posters here and any real media accusing him should be worried.
Back to the hints of weak legal issues I see. Are you failing to realize that opens up the Clevenger, Rowan, and ISU to discovery? They’d have to allow discovery and turn over any records requested. Phone, computer, ip logs, as well as bank records could all be requested. If Seth had any ties or access to that email, showed any sign of monetary transfer to legiostore, or has any other records of purchase he would be screwed. That all would come to the forefront with any legal battle.
It’s highly likely that if these accusations (past and present) didn’t have any legs, there would have already been legal action taken.
I wonder if the Rowan University president is aware of this yet. Seems like it will likely trickle that way with the latest Athletics department statement.
Crazy that they dropped the memo on President's day, has it be intentional with hoping that people were busy and not checking out about this online.
I'm not sure whether it was intentional or not. I learned of the statement from an email from Rowan's AD, after I had contacted him about the situation.
Here's his full response to me, for what it's worth:
Shawn Tucker wrote:
Dear [armchair detective],
We hear your concerns, acknowledge receipt of your email, and confirm that this matter is on our radar. As a matter of policy and federal privacy law, the University does not comment on individual student matters.
Please note that the expectations and policies at Rowan, are that all student-athletes fully comply with NCAA regulations and University standards of conduct. We operate under the Division III guidelines and maintain institutional policies that permit drug testing consistent with those rules.
Below is a link to our university's statement.
I emailed Tucker on Monday, and got his response on the same day. But I don't know if this could really be considered a "public" statement, as it's not even listed in Rowan's athletics news stories. I'm not on social media - did they post it there?
I wanted to post the statement to this thread on Monday, but I had been auto-banned for somehow flagging the spam filter in another post. Ah, LetsRun...
I'd also be a little bit shocked if they were actually congruent with D3 guidelines. They have:
a 7'2" true freshman high jumper a 25' true freshman long jumper
Both of those kids are paying money to go to Rowan? I don't buy it.
Their statement says they are aware of media accusing him. They did their due diligence. Posters here and any real media accusing him should be worried.
OK. Come sue me for defamation. Discovery is going to be so much fun!
Many threads are taken down when posters accuse runners. This one is allowed to stay up so that posters can dig themselves deeper in a hole. There is a reason that you are allowed to go further. Be aware.
Many threads are taken down when posters accuse runners. This one is allowed to stay up so that posters can dig themselves deeper in a hole. There is a reason that you are allowed to go further. Be aware.
People are being mean on the Internet :( Someone help :( :(
Many threads are taken down when posters accuse runners. This one is allowed to stay up so that posters can dig themselves deeper in a hole. There is a reason that you are allowed to go further. Be aware.
Be aware? Seriously? Your idle threats mean nothing, child. No one is digging themselves any deeper aside from the teams coaches, and athlete that haven’t addressed this.
Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that there is irrefutable video evidence that someone used Seth's personal gmail account to order EPO from the dark web and have it shipped to Seth's grandfather's house. Who could have done such a thing? I guess we'll never know, but it would be libelous and irresponsible to suggest that Seth himself placed that order, so I am certainly not suggesting that, on December 5th 2025, Seth used his personal email address to illegally purchase drugs and ship them to his grandfather's house.
Many threads are taken down when posters accuse runners. This one is allowed to stay up so that posters can dig themselves deeper in a hole. There is a reason that you are allowed to go further. Be aware.
That’s correct. He pulled away his senior year to win D3 in the late stages of state Cc and Schlender was only 5th in d3, 23 seconds back of Patzka. 1608/1631 for both. Patzka was only 14th fastest that day in all divisions and was almost 40 seconds back of the division 1 winner and would have been 12th in division 1. Not a knock but to show the drastic improvement and also the amazing talent of coaches in the WIAC conference. Many of whom were great runners in their own right when in their prime.
