BYU 2024 vs. BYU 2025 (+/- Hutchins) might be of some general interest too, although I’m not sure how useful any performance data having to do with Hutchins would be at this point.
‘BYU 2025 (+Hutchins)’ under ‘BYU 2024’ by 94pnts.
Ugggh, I should have triple-checked my numbers, because how can the gap between 15:49/15:18 be less than the gap between 15:49/15:30?? My next post will have the BYU tables with the correction.
Ugggh, I should have triple-checked my numbers, because how can the gap between 15:49/15:18 be less than the gap between 15:49/15:30?? My next post will have the BYU tables with the correction.
Ugggh, I should have triple-checked my numbers, because how can the gap between 15:49/15:18 be less than the gap between 15:49/15:30?? My next post will have the BYU tables with the correction.
‘BYU 2025 (+Hutchins)’ under ‘BYU 2024’ by 119pnts.
At this point, the reader (including me), asks the question, “How in the world can 2025BYU be under 2024BYU by a whopping 81pnts, while it appears they are going to get crushed by 2025NCState which was ‘only’ 86pnts under 2023NCState?”
I think a clue to the answer of that question requires a comparison of 2025NCState to 2024NCState.
“How in the world can 2025BYU be under 2024BYU by a whopping 81pnts, while it appears they are going to get crushed by 2025NCState which was ‘only’ 86pnts under 2023NCState?”
I think a clue to the answer of that question requires…
2025NCState Compared to 2024NCState
NC State NC State 2024……………….2025 GH 15:25………..GH 15:20 (-2) HG 15:32………..AN 15:20 (-4) BR 15:56………...HG 15:21 (-48) AN 16:11………….BM 15:35 (-85) BM 16:19………...SE 15:47 (-88)
‘NC State 2025’ under ‘NC State 2024’ by 227pnts!!! 😮
To summarize, in 2024 NC State experienced a huge regression from their Championship form of 2023. But in one year’s time, they clawed back from the ashes, building the most potent women’s team ever assembled in the history of Division I Cross Country!!! 😮👀😎
“How in the world can 2025BYU be under 2024BYU by a whopping 81pnts, while it appears they are going to get crushed by 2025NCState which was ‘only’ 86pnts under 2023NCState?”
I think a clue to the answer of that question requires…
2025NCState Compared to 2024NCState
NC State NC State 2024……………….2025 GH 15:25………..GH 15:20 (-2) HG 15:32………..AN 15:20 (-4) BR 15:56………...HG 15:21 (-48) AN 16:11………….BM 15:35 (-85) BM 16:19………...SE 15:47 (-88)
‘NC State 2025’ under ‘NC State 2024’ by 227pnts!!! 😮
To summarize, in 2024 NC State experienced a huge regression from their Championship form of 2023. But in one year’s time, they clawed back from the ashes, building the most potent women’s team ever assembled in the history of Division I Cross Country!!! 😮👀😎
Well, except for the New Mexico women’s team of 2015 of course.
NC State NC State 2024……………….2025 GH 15:25………..GH 15:20 (-2) HG 15:32………..AN 15:20 (-4) BR 15:56………...HG 15:21 (-48) AN 16:11………….BM 15:35 (-85) BM 16:19………...SE 15:47 (-88)
‘NC State 2025’ under ‘NC State 2024’ by 227pnts!!! 😮
To summarize, in 2024 NC State experienced a huge regression from their Championship form of 2023. But in one year’s time, they clawed back from the ashes, building the most potent women’s team ever assembled in the history of Division I Cross Country!!! 😮👀😎
Well, except for the New Mexico women’s team of 2015 of course.
Oh really? If you think so, why don’t you put up their numbers so we can compare?
No, obviously I’m not any of the past trolls you mention. Over five weeks ago I cogently started this thread, and all of my posts sharing information to it have been in the sense of helpful community support.
I’m still awaiting a valid rebuttal, with facts, that would contradict what has come to be one of the pinnacle conclusions of this thread, which is, I repeat:
The 2025 NC State women are the most potent women’s team ever assembled in the history of Division I Cross Country!!!
👍
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Shout out to Washed-Up Grad Student for providing a great site in LAACTiC that allows us to put conclusive CrossCountry information together.
Thought I fixed this bug years ago but seems to still be happening. Basically when people run the same time (within a second) it sometimes jumbles their finish order.
Soon we may want to start talking about how a very muddy, water-logged course might affect prospects. There's supposed to be a large rain accumulation on Thursday, with rain continuing almost all of Friday. The individual race, e.g., might come down to whether Jane or Doris has better form and tactics for such conditions.
No, obviously I’m not any of the past trolls you mention. Over five weeks ago I cogently started this thread, and all of my posts sharing information to it have been in the sense of helpful community support.
I’m still awaiting a valid rebuttal, with facts, that would contradict what has come to be one of the pinnacle conclusions of this thread, which is, I repeat:
The 2025 NC State women are the most potent women’s team ever assembled in the history of Division I Cross Country!!!
👍
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Shout out to Washed-Up Grad Student for providing a great site in LAACTiC that allows us to put conclusive CrossCountry information together.
Agree with a previous poster that it’s impossible to compare today’s women’s teams to Villanova in the ‘80s. Competition today is far, far, far more intense in women’s running (not limited to just the pro ranks.)
That being said, I’m also not convinced that this NC State squad is the best team ever. While yes, once their times are charted, they look amazing, they’re not even a certainty in winning this year’s championships. It still appears to be a pretty close race.
Actually I’m not really sure anymore, maybe this year’s XC sqaud woudl lose against 2023’s if Kelsey Chmiel would’ve been healthy. So nevermind its not the best squad ever. I’m being dramatique.
I actually did compare the 2 Villanova runners who needed no introduction. I was a bit disappointed with Vicki Huber who was pretty well known. Her 5,000 PR was only 15:34. Rather pedestrian. Now, O'Sullivan is a different story. She ran 4:17 and 14:41 like 25 years ago. But then you look at her 9:19 WR which she held for 10 years. Didn't Jane run 9:17? That really diminishes her 9:19.
Actually I’m not really sure anymore, maybe this year’s XC sqaud woudl lose against 2023’s if Kelsey Chmiel would’ve been healthy. So nevermind it’s wnot the best squad ever. I’m being dramatique.
Well, you actually have a point earlier about New Mexico in 2015. According to Wikipedia, they have the lowest team score in the modern era, by quite a significant margin too.
Will be interesting to see what this year’s championship winning team scores.
Actually I’m not really sure anymore, maybe this year’s XC sqaud woudl lose against 2023’s if Kelsey Chmiel would’ve been healthy. So nevermind its not the best squad ever. I’m being dramatique.
The 2023 NC State squad was not that great. They won, sure, but only by 1 pt. over NAU.
I actually did compare the 2 Villanova runners who needed no introduction. I was a bit disappointed with Vicki Huber who was pretty well known. Her 5,000 PR was only 15:34. Rather pedestrian. Now, O'Sullivan is a different story. She ran 4:17 and 14:41 like 25 years ago. But then you look at her 9:19 WR which she held for 10 years. Didn't Jane run 9:17? That really diminishes her 9:19.
Sure, but the 2 mile was/is rarely run for international women and O’Sullivan’s 3000m PR was 8:21, equivalent to 8:58 2 mile. She also ran pre-super shoes; she likely would have been running 8:16 for 3000m/14:20s or even 14:10s in the 5000m today.
I actually did compare the 2 Villanova runners who needed no introduction. I was a bit disappointed with Vicki Huber who was pretty well known. Her 5,000 PR was only 15:34. Rather pedestrian. Now, O'Sullivan is a different story. She ran 4:17 and 14:41 like 25 years ago. But then you look at her 9:19 WR which she held for 10 years. Didn't Jane run 9:17? That really diminishes her 9:19.
Sure, but the 2 mile was/is rarely run for international women and O’Sullivan’s 3000m PR was 8:21, equivalent to 8:58 2 mile. She also ran pre-super shoes; she likely would have been running 8:16 for 3000m/14:20s or even 14:10s in the 5000m today.
The average time for the 1989 Villanova team was 17:09. Rather pedestrian for a collegiate team.
