It's fascinating that liberals want people dead for the sin of simply peacefully disagreeing with them but can't comprehend why Israel gets upset when Palestinians try to murder them on a daily basis.
It's fascinating that idiots want people dead for the sin of simply peacefully disagreeing with them but can't comprehend why Palestinians get upset when Israelis try to murder them on a daily basis.
The Jews didn't start the violence the arabs did.
If a Palestinian slapped you in the face and you immediately hit them back they would have absolutely no idea why you hit them.
I'm entirely consistent. I've repeatedly called for an end to all foreign aid so long as we're trillions in debt.
If we're going to be flushing billions down the toilet every year I'd much rather have the money serve a useful purpose. The money is much more useful in Israel than other places.
Is there really any difference? Israel, Ukraine and the United States are all controlled by the same people.
It's fascinating that liberals want people dead for the sin of simply peacefully disagreeing with them but can't comprehend why Israel gets upset when Palestinians try to murder them on a daily basis.
You conveniently omitted the thousands of murdered Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the hands of the Israelis in the last few years, let alone for the last 70 years.
Hamas uses human shields specifically to rile up idiots like yourself.
It's fascinating that idiots want people dead for the sin of simply peacefully disagreeing with them but can't comprehend why Palestinians get upset when Israelis try to murder them on a daily basis.
A survivor of the rave massacre – in which over 260 young revellers at a party near the Gaza Strip were gunned down by Hamas terrorists – has said that women were “raped next to the dead bodies of their friends”. Speaking to US website Tablet, the survivor said that several of the rape victims appeared to have been executed later, while others were taken to Gaza. Another survivor returned to the scene later in the day to look for his friends spoke, of seeing cold and mutilated bodies, mainly of young women. He said he saw scantily clad corpses, many of whom appeared to have been shot at point-blank. “I felt like they were shooting right above our heads,” another survivor told the Tablet. “I dove into a bush … It felt like the shooting was coming from 180 degrees, all around us. I understood we’re going to be there for at least a couple of hours. And I had nothing on me. And I was like, the only thing I want is a weapon. I want something to protect us.” Some of the revellers escaped to a nearby wadi and hid themselves the shrubbery, he said. Eventually, he and his friends - some of them without shoes - decided to make a dash for safety by following a road. They walked close enough to see it but not so close so that they might be seen. “I said, if we see like army or police cars, we’re going to go to the road. Otherwise, we’re going to stay away. When we saw police and army cars, we knew that it’s a safe place,” he told the Tablet. Later, when the massacre was finally over and IDF soldiers managed to subdue the attackers, they searched trucks and found RPG launchers, high-end communications devices, assorted AK-47s and other mostly Soviet-made weapons, along with numerous copies of the Quran. Read Next Starmer receives standing ovation at Labour conference as he supports Israel Israel airlifts military reservists from Europe Hamas terrorists murdered 40 babies including beheadings, says report Suella Braverman 'to redouble efforts' for IRGC ban after group thanked Hamas Families of Britons feared missing or dead after Hamas attack give heartbreaking tributes
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So Israel’s “all out siege” of Gaza is not affecting civilians? No wonder your arguments are garbage, you get your information from f*cking morons.
The butchers cut off the heads of babies.
"Some soldiers said they found babies with their heads cut off, according to i24 News." You are supporting monsters.
So when a group of people bomb and destroy a building full of civilians and the bodies are decapitated and mutilated...is that not the same thing as what you just mentioned.
Militaries...all Militaries have decapitated civilians in war. Not saying it is right...but it happens and the U.S. has done it tens of thousands of times.
A survivor of the rave massacre – in which over 260 young revellers at a party near the Gaza Strip were gunned down by Hamas terrorists – has said that women were “raped next to the dead bodies of their friends”. Speaking to US website Tablet, the survivor said that several of the rape victims appeared to have been executed later, while others were taken to Gaza. Another survivor returned to the scene later in the day to look for his friends spoke, of seeing cold and mutilated bodies, mainly of young women. He said he saw scantily clad corpses, many of whom appeared to have been shot at point-blank. “I felt like they were shooting right above our heads,” another survivor told the Tablet. “I dove into a bush … It felt like the shooting was coming from 180 degrees, all around us. I understood we’re going to be there for at least a couple of hours. And I had nothing on me. And I was like, the only thing I want is a weapon. I want something to protect us.” Some of the revellers escaped to a nearby wadi and hid themselves the shrubbery, he said. Eventually, he and his friends - some of them without shoes - decided to make a dash for safety by following a road. They walked close enough to see it but not so close so that they might be seen. “I said, if we see like army or police cars, we’re going to go to the road. Otherwise, we’re going to stay away. When we saw police and army cars, we knew that it’s a safe place,” he told the Tablet. Later, when the massacre was finally over and IDF soldiers managed to subdue the attackers, they searched trucks and found RPG launchers, high-end communications devices, assorted AK-47s and other mostly Soviet-made weapons, along with numerous copies of the Quran. Read Next Starmer receives standing ovation at Labour conference as he supports Israel Israel airlifts military reservists from Europe Hamas terrorists murdered 40 babies including beheadings, says report Suella Braverman 'to redouble efforts' for IRGC ban after group thanked Hamas Families of Britons feared missing or dead after Hamas attack give heartbreaking tributes
I'm entirely consistent. I've repeatedly called for an end to all foreign aid so long as we're trillions in debt.
If we're going to be flushing billions down the toilet every year I'd much rather have the money serve a useful purpose. The money is much more useful in Israel than other places.
Is there really any difference? Israel, Ukraine and the United States are all controlled by the same people.
Nobody is saying it's not evil.. clearly its evil and we all agree. You seem to be equating Hamas with civilian Palestinians. What will destruction of Palestine under the cover of getting to Hamas accomplish besides genocide?
This is actually a very complicated question. Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza. Hamas has also had violent clashes with its main rival, Fatah. So, Hamas holds power through a combination of strong popular support and violent oppression of the opposition. The difference between Fatah and Hamas is simple. Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel while Fatah is willing to consider peaceful coexistence.
Now, was there an open political debate in Gaza about whether to launch the massive attack on Israel? Of course not. Was the average Palestinian on the street in Gaza shocked when Hamas attacked? I would say that most were not at all surprised as most understand that Hamas is there to use violence to try to destroy Israel. What is not clear is how far Hamas has gone (or will go) as far as the level of violence against Israelis. Hamas has always justified killing Israeli civilians on the grounds that Israel has universal conscription and mandatory military service (except for the ultra orthodox Jews who are paid by the government to sit around and study the Torah all day). So, mowing down unarmed civilians at a music festival is for Hamas like killing soldiers before they have the chance to raise a weapon against Palestinians. Of course this is a stupid justification, but it at least separates Hamas from the ISIS brand of jihad. ISIS does not care about whether someone is a civilian or a combatant. For ISIS, either you convert to Islam and become part of their caliphate or you are and infidel and must be killed. And ISIS was very happy to make executions as horrific and visual as possible. It remains to be seen whether Hamas will go this far.
Clearly, it is not the case that Hamas is some small radical group that has no support in Palestine and that Palestinians are horrified by Hamas' attack on Israel. It is a far more complicated issue. There are definitely Palestinians who support Hamas and are 100% in favor of the attacks on Israel. There are also Palestinians who support Hamas but think that Hamas has gone too far and will cause more death and destruction in Gaza than is necessary. And there are definitely Palestinians who do not support Hamas and want to resist Israel with non-violent struggle.
So, then the problem is that Hamas carried out a military grade assault on Israel and Hamas is party that controls the government of the Gaza Strip. Israel clearly has a right to defend itself and has the right to attack Hamas in Gaza. Where it gets very gray and difficult is trying to decide what level of civilian casualties and suffering can be tolerated in a war with Hamas and Israel. Some measure like the "siege" of Gaza (no power, food, water, etc.) are correctly considered "collective punishment". But the Palestinians in Gaza did elect Hamas and chose violence and the destruction of Israel as their political goals. As horribly as Israel treats the Palestinians, they do not get a free pass for their atrocities against Israel. Thus, the Palestinians to bear a collective responsibility for the collateral damage and civilian loss of life.
I don't disagree with your points, and to the same degree Israelis (not all of course) have elected their government which has been responsible for violence and displacement of Arabs... so do they take some blame for this Hamas attack?
My main issue is not with the blame (to me you have to start with the leadership), but with the fact that collective punishment won't work at all. There is plenty of history to back that up. So there is needless loss of life (both innocent and not) and worsening of the hate.
Hamas is the elected government of the Gaza Strip, the people who elected this government are responsible. Israel needs to now treat this exactly like war and absolutely raze the Strip. No mercy.
"Some soldiers said they found babies with their heads cut off, according to i24 News." You are supporting monsters.
So when a group of people bomb and destroy a building full of civilians and the bodies are decapitated and mutilated...is that not the same thing as what you just mentioned.
Militaries...all Militaries have decapitated civilians in war. Not saying it is right...but it happens and the U.S. has done it tens of thousands of times.
NO. Grabbing a baby and sawing its head off with a knife is NOT the same as a baby dying because Hamas set up a command post in the apartment next door you depraved POS.
Hamas uses human shields on purpose to cause the deaths of their own people because nothing is better PR than dead kids.
There is ZERO moral equivalence between what Israel does and what Hamas does.
You conveniently omitted the thousands of murdered Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the hands of the Israelis in the last few years, let alone for the last 70 years.
Hamas uses human shields specifically to rile up idiots like yourself.
Dumb F. Isreal has been killing Palestinians long before there was Hamas.
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So when a group of people bomb and destroy a building full of civilians and the bodies are decapitated and mutilated...is that not the same thing as what you just mentioned.
Militaries...all Militaries have decapitated civilians in war. Not saying it is right...but it happens and the U.S. has done it tens of thousands of times.
NO. Grabbing a baby and sawing its head off with a knife is NOT the same as a baby dying because Hamas set up a command post in the apartment next door you depraved POS.
Hamas uses human shields on purpose to cause the deaths of their own people because nothing is better PR than dead kids.
There is ZERO moral equivalence between what Israel does and what Hamas does.
Dumb F.
Dropping bombs on a building occupied by civilians and their bodies going in hundred different parts IS NOT different. You are purposely murdering civilians. Period.
NO. Grabbing a baby and sawing its head off with a knife is NOT the same as a baby dying because Hamas set up a command post in the apartment next door you depraved POS.
Hamas uses human shields on purpose to cause the deaths of their own people because nothing is better PR than dead kids.
There is ZERO moral equivalence between what Israel does and what Hamas does.
Dumb F.
Dropping bombs on a building occupied by civilians and their bodies going in hundred different parts IS NOT different. You are purposely murdering civilians. Period.
Using children as suicide bombers is sick. Beheading the heads of babies is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond sick. Your sick for supporting these monsters/savages.