that girl's blog is very telling. she's a gullible teenager and is literally swooning over these new gen guys. and wisner's comments to her egging her on to be even more interested in carter...its all pretty disgusting. i bet she deletes her blog soon but im sure people are saving her posts. i meant at what point can you not say this is borderline grooming. at the very least its extremely uncomfortable and truly the behavior the new gen guys (read: men in their early/mid 20s) are putting out to a teenage audience is despicable.
cancel new gen. cancel crawford and his buddies. i dont want to see them working with any other brands, holding any other camps, or taking any other provocative pictures of teenage girls and trying to pass it off as 'art' or 'just selling merchandise'. the whole thing reaks of creepy frat bro energy and it was pretty apparent from over a year ago. really hope that this is the straw that breaks the camels back. these guys are just egging on malleable teens to think crap that is objectively wrong and not ok, is "edgy" and "cool".
really hope the new gen men are reading this thread and looking at themselves in the mirror and being honest with their intentions. i dont expect any of them to publicly come out and apologize for their behavior since that would not be in their character (sadly). but i hope this is a wake up call for them to realize they have to cut the crap, grow up, and stop trying to profit and gain 'clout' off of inappropriate behavior and fake agendas.
that girl's blog is very telling. she's a gullible teenager and is literally swooning over these new gen guys. and wisner's comments to her egging her on to be even more interested in carter...its all pretty disgusting. i bet she deletes her blog soon but im sure people are saving her posts. i meant at what point can you not say this is borderline grooming. at the very least its extremely uncomfortable and truly the behavior the new gen guys (read: men in their early/mid 20s) are putting out to a teenage audience is despicable.
cancel new gen. cancel crawford and his buddies. i dont want to see them working with any other brands, holding any other camps, or taking any other provocative pictures of teenage girls and trying to pass it off as 'art' or 'just selling merchandise'. the whole thing reaks of creepy frat bro energy and it was pretty apparent from over a year ago. really hope that this is the straw that breaks the camels back. these guys are just egging on malleable teens to think crap that is objectively wrong and not ok, is "edgy" and "cool".
really hope the new gen men are reading this thread and looking at themselves in the mirror and being honest with their intentions. i dont expect any of them to publicly come out and apologize for their behavior since that would not be in their character (sadly). but i hope this is a wake up call for them to realize they have to cut the crap, grow up, and stop trying to profit and gain 'clout' off of inappropriate behavior and fake agendas.
Nailed it…
on running, Nike, hoka, UA, UC Boulder what say you?
I just lightly went through this thread and the whole thing is just weird.
The young girls, and they are girls and not women, are impressionable and the older guys dig it. They can't find women their own age or are they intimidated by them? With it seeming as if the girls are underage, the older guys, for their own sake, better not have been inappropriate with them.
Starting in the 8th grade I went to summer xc camps through high school. We had a morning run, an evening run, and perhaps some sort of short instructional videos, motivational stuff, etc. They didn't overdo the motivational stuff - it was mostly training. In the in between times we ate, canoed and kayaked, rode horses in the woods, did ropes courses, swam, played basketball & volleyball. played pool and ping pong, napped, and just did the normal stuff that young kids do. In the evening we had "unsanctioned" games in the area of the cabins. Our favorite was one that was called capture the pylon. We just had a pylon and you had to capture it, put it on top of your cabin, and then defend it from the kids in the other cabins. It probably wasn't the safest game but it was fun. I don't remember anyone getting too hurt playing it - just some small cuts and bruises.
All the guys slept in cabins in one area of the grounds, the girls were in another area, and the coaches, that were adults and not the clownish types at the new gen camp, were in another area. In most years it was probably about 40-50 guys and 20-25 girls. There were always guys and girls that would meet up in the woods at night when the lights went out. That's pretty normal for high school kids. With the camp we're talking about here, it's hard to say who was hooking up with who. The camp I went to was a blast and was one of the highlights of the summer. Do normal running/xc camps exist today or is that a thing of the past?
Any company affiliated with the new gen camp would be well-advised to distance themselves as far as possible from it.
Jeez. Some of these blog posts show the way they talk to HS'ers they plan to invite to camp. Also mentions Joe Hale, the Tinman photog who seemed to be at the camp.
Yikes. This is actual grooming, significantly worse than any of the recent photos or thot daughter/gay son comments, troubling as those incidents are as well
Jeez. Some of these blog posts show the way they talk to HS'ers they plan to invite to camp. Also mentions Joe Hale, the Tinman photog who seemed to be at the camp.
Yikes. This is actual grooming, significantly worse than any of the recent photos or thot daughter/gay son comments, troubling as those incidents are as well
Just reading through these blogs show how truly impressionable these young brains are and how they will seemingly do whatever to be in good favors of who they look up to
There also was an NXN Article written months back by Wisner where during the after party for the athletes, they tried to get the "prom king and queen" (or something along those lines) to kiss according to Wisner's words, and that was when I knew something was up, especially since he called that fact "disappointing" it didn't happen.
It used to be a separate article public on their site, but now it's not there anymore. It's probably a part of their 8th issue, so if someone has access to it, by all means post it here.
Okay, I'm catching up on this thread, and what I saw made me go to the NG website. There's an essay posted there that one of last year's campers wrote. In it, she writes:
"Hayley, Paul, Carter (counselor), and I all take the Rice purity test. Our scores are all within ten points of each other. I forget that I’m 15 for a hot minute."
Look, it's not uncommon for 15 year-olds to engage in at least some of the activities on that list. I'm not naïve enough to think they wouldn't be familiar with any of that stuff. But they should be talking about first sexual experiences and first encounters with alcohol/weed with their peers, not with people 8+ years older than them! The exception would be if they were seeking advice from an older mentor they trust about navigating adolescent pressures (what do I do if my friend gets too drunk at a house party? my boyfriend wants me to give him h*ad, but I'm not comfortable with it yet), but it doesn't sound like that was the conversation here.
The camper probably felt proud that her score made her look more mature to the counselors (Hayley is also a counselor; I think Paul was a camper). She probably felt like she was mature enough to "hold her own" in a conversation like that. But the issue isn't really even how she felt in the moment. The issue is that 23/24 year old adults felt it was okay to have that conversation with someone who had likely just finished their freshman year of high school! If you're a post-collegiate young adult in a position of authority with someone that age, you're supposed to hold certain boundaries, not try to impress teens with how "naughty" you can score on an online quiz.
My last thought is that anyone who's been to a summer camp knows that those spaces can inspire strong relationships and emotional upheavals. Being away from Mom and Dad often gives adolescents the freedom to explore who they are in a new setting, and they form bonds with others way quicker than they might in other settings. This is part of what can make them so fun, but it also can lead to peer pressure, risk taking, and strong in-group loyalties. The writer of this essay may not have seen a problem with that incident when she was 15, but I have a feeling that when she's 23/24 she'll look back and think that doing the Rice Purity Test with a 15 y/o is serious weirdo behavior.
You should be able to see them on this tweet. A decent amount of the concern also stems from the ugly comments that New Gen campers sent to Emma Gee when she called the photos disappointing, as well as a cringey non-apology/apology that New Gen posted for an hour or two before deleting.
What’s going on with some brands continuing to work with New Gen on things? Promoting photos like this in their latest camp? I know art is however someone wants to creatively express their ideas but this feels disrespectful towards women. pic.twitter.com/aD7EzMLCHU
Mad goofy that y'all are bringing the kids' writing into this. Leave these kids and their incredibly out of context quotes alone lmao. If they're as clueless as you claim they are, then you'd leave their "super easily influenced" minds alone, because they could be corrupted by your BS opinions of their fun little summer camp experiences. The audacity is wild. These kids have parents, and if the parents truly gave a damn about the baseless accusations, New Gen would be in legal trouble. I'm sure the parents of these girls have read almost everything they have ever written and I'm sure they're proud of both of them. Again, actually leave this kids alone.
Mad goofy that y'all are bringing the kids' writing into this. Leave these kids and their incredibly out of context quotes alone lmao. If they're as clueless as you claim they are, then you'd leave their "super easily influenced" minds alone, because they could be corrupted by your BS opinions of their fun little summer camp experiences. The audacity is wild. These kids have parents, and if the parents truly gave a damn about the baseless accusations, New Gen would be in legal trouble. I'm sure the parents of these girls have read almost everything they have ever written and I'm sure they're proud of both of them. Again, actually leave this kids alone.
I think it’s super important. It shows that multiple “counselors” in their mid twenties discussed extremely sexual things with a LITERAL FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL
"Hayley, Paul, Carter (counselor), and I all take the Rice purity test. Our scores are all within ten points of each other. I forget that I’m 15 for a hot minute."
Incredibly out of context quotes? Can you either explain the context or what makes you think they are out of context?
Public blog is open to public to read and comment on.
More concerning - if Matt Wisner acts as this girl’s writing mentor, he read her post and gave her the ok to permanently state on the internet that he gave a minor advice to sexualize an adult.
I mean, I certainly hope you're right, and that the girls' parents are reading their writing and following up on any potential concerns. It's possible that they are, but it's also possible that they're not.
Look, I'm not typically some keyboard vigilante. I've never posted so much on the LR boards as I have just in this thread alone. I can't remember the last time I've posted or commented anything on Facebook, and my Instagram comments are confined to a smattering of "congratulations!" or "aww, cute!" on friends' posts.
But I've worked at summer camps and residential arts programs for teens. The one I love the most had an incident several years ago where they learned that a 16 year old went to see a revered instructor from the program perform during the off season. After the show, he took her back to his trailer and molested her. It caused her to eventually drop out of performing arts (she was pre-professional/working small gigs already), and it devastated her emotionally for years afterward. This was a respected enough residential training program and a respected enough star in the arts space that the New York Times wrote articles about the whole situation when it first came out.
I know how proud those kids were to be selected for that arts program, and how it made them feel mature in ways that were true in some senses, but that maybe weren't developmentally appropriate in others. I know how that program felt like a magical, safe bubble for the kids that participated, and how their parents raved about what a great experience it was for both their kids' careers and personal development.
I watched the organization buckle under the damage that the revelation of abuse from one instructor did to their reputation. They strengthened their background check requirements, their rules about staff being alone with youth, and their rules about staff messaging electronically with youth one-on-one. Some of those rules may seem like overkill to outsiders, but if you read the damage that the star instructor did to that girl psychologically, you would understand why people who truly care about youth think those kinds of safety measures are worth it.
I haven't used the words pedo or groomer once so far on this thread. The farthest I've gone is to use "serious weirdo behavior." I don't want to throw around unfounded accusations, but I think it's reasonable to point out that there is smoke around this organization that caters to high schoolers. Hopefully the conversation here is at least causing people close to the situation to check in on those involved. If the kinds of things mentioned in the girls' essays are events that they felt comfortable posting, I do wonder if there was anything more questionable that they knew would raise eyebrows if shared.
I want to be clear: none of this is the teens' fault. And I do believe that teens can exercise agency and possess maturity. But even very capable teens can lack perspective or struggle to speak up in group settings, particularly when they're surrounded by older people whom they admire and who claim to care about them. I would never bring up the girls' writing to shame them or take things out of context, but I think it's worth pointing out that there are enough odd behaviors popping up here to be concerned about the kids' safety.
Mad goofy that y'all are bringing the kids' writing into this. Leave these kids and their incredibly out of context quotes alone lmao. If they're as clueless as you claim they are, then you'd leave their "super easily influenced" minds alone, because they could be corrupted by your BS opinions of their fun little summer camp experiences. The audacity is wild. These kids have parents, and if the parents truly gave a damn about the baseless accusations, New Gen would be in legal trouble. I'm sure the parents of these girls have read almost everything they have ever written and I'm sure they're proud of both of them. Again, actually leave this kids alone.
What exactly is "out of context" about a 15 year old writing about how they did the Rice Purity Test with a counselor in his early 20's? Please, feel free to explain what further context you would need to deem that innapropriate.
The point isn't to drag the kids, and if that is how you are interpreting this thread and these comments, you are mistaken. Adult counselors are responsible for setting boundaries between them and high school kids, and these boundaries appear blurred at best. The fact that you and New Gen don't appear to understand that is the problem, which is why it is being pointed out.
