Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Trump is a stain wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Her popularity with leftists is enough reason for any Republican to dislike Haley.

She's a neo-con swamp creature. She worked for the weapons industry and she's a huge fan of forever war.

The dislike people have for Haley comes from her own positions not Trump.

Trump said he will not support Taiwan. He will not support Ukraine. Poland would be left out to hang. He will pull out of NATO.

How did Trump move the party to the left of Bernie Sanders?

Pro Tip: It has nothing to do with Trump being a man that yearns for global peace and harmony. Or cares about the troops.

instead. Look at the price tag he can charge in personal enrichment in selling out US policy and abandoning our allies to the highest bidders.

Trump cares about one person. If you can’t decipher that at this point in this game you are gone

agip wrote:

So the general thinking after NH is that

1) for now trump has lost suburbanites, esp the women. Question is if they will fall in line or not for the general. I think many probably will, but not all. trump is a uniquely repellent person.

1a) Trump has to flip MI MN MI PA WI and he won't do it without those suburban women plus never trumpers.

2) Trump is furious that he only won NH by 10ish points. In this circumstance a dictator normally will lash out against his own people and create a scapegoat pretty quickly. Just to prove he can, and because the fault can't be his alone. He must have been stabbed in the back by someone.

3) Haley has incentive to stay in as long as she can...at least until the 14th amendment case is settled. She'd be the prohibitive favorite if Trump is kicked off ballot in a key state and his run for the WH is made impossible.

agip wrote:

So the general thinking after NH is that

1) for now trump has lost suburbanites, esp the women. Question is if they will fall in line or not for the general. I think many probably will, but not all. trump is a uniquely repellent person.

1a) Trump has to flip MI MN MI PA WI and he won't do it without those suburban women plus never trumpers.

2) Trump is furious that he only won NH by 10ish points. In this circumstance a dictator normally will lash out against his own people and create a scapegoat pretty quickly. Just to prove he can, and because the fault can't be his alone. He must have been stabbed in the back by someone.

3) Haley has incentive to stay in as long as she can...at least until the 14th amendment case is settled. She'd be the prohibitive favorite if Trump is kicked off ballot in a key state and his run for the WH is made impossible.

4) Trump did much worse than the polls suggested he would. This means we shouldn't pay too much attention to these Trump +3 general election polls.

JustMe22 wrote:

agip wrote:

So the general thinking after NH is that

1) for now trump has lost suburbanites, esp the women. Question is if they will fall in line or not for the general. I think many probably will, but not all. trump is a uniquely repellent person.

1a) Trump has to flip MI MN MI PA WI and he won't do it without those suburban women plus never trumpers.

2) Trump is furious that he only won NH by 10ish points. In this circumstance a dictator normally will lash out against his own people and create a scapegoat pretty quickly. Just to prove he can, and because the fault can't be his alone. He must have been stabbed in the back by someone.

3) Haley has incentive to stay in as long as she can...at least until the 14th amendment case is settled. She'd be the prohibitive favorite if Trump is kicked off ballot in a key state and his run for the WH is made impossible.

4) Trump did much worse than the polls suggested he would. This means we shouldn't pay too much attention to these Trump +3 general election polls.

You and I both love to argue, so let's just acknowledge that and set it aside.

The next three primaries are going to test your premises. Haley likely won't win South Carolina, where she used to be Governor. I don't like your claim that Trump has lost suburban white women. He won white women overall in 2016, and won them by a larger percentage in 2020. I DO think you are correct that suburbanites are largely anti-Trump. I explain this in terms of "$4 gas isn't as big of a deal of you have a comfortable middle class lifestyle," but Trump doesn't *have* to win the suburbs to get to 270. He's making gains among minorities that Dems claim to represent, but then ignore in policymaking. See: Biden's claim that the "US was built by the middle class." It wasn't. It was built on the backs of immigrants, who were not treated well.

Haley won't split the Trump vote if she stays in...especially if she declares as an independent. She *will* cut into Biden's support, because he's too old and too white. And...the point is probably moot. My best guess is she drops out by Florida and endorses Trump.

One of us is wrong, and both of us have a bad habit of stating our opinions as fact. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

Enjoy your run today!

agip wrote:

JustMe22 wrote:

You and I both love to argue, so let's just acknowledge that and set it aside.

The next three primaries are going to test your premises. Haley likely won't win South Carolina, where she used to be Governor. I don't like your claim that Trump has lost suburban white women. He won white women overall in 2016, and won them by a larger percentage in 2020. I DO think you are correct that suburbanites are largely anti-Trump. I explain this in terms of "$4 gas isn't as big of a deal of you have a comfortable middle class lifestyle," but Trump doesn't *have* to win the suburbs to get to 270. He's making gains among minorities that Dems claim to represent, but then ignore in policymaking. See: Biden's claim that the "US was built by the middle class." It wasn't. It was built on the backs of immigrants, who were not treated well.

Haley won't split the Trump vote if she stays in...especially if she declares as an independent. She *will* cut into Biden's support, because he's too old and too white. And...the point is probably moot. My best guess is she drops out by Florida and endorses Trump.

One of us is wrong, and both of us have a bad habit of stating our opinions as fact. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

Enjoy your run today!

true that NH is not trumplandia. I'm sure Trump will win by a lot more in confederate states, sure.

But trumplandia states like SC don't matter....what matters is states like NH - with their non-m'aga populations. NH probably tells us a lot more about what's going on in the purple region electorate than SC will. We'll learn from NH what is going on in key states PA WI MN MI.

Theres's also the below, which is true. Haley is undermining trump, getting him on the news looking ridiculous. That will help with the indies.

Foggynoggin
@steamtug7
Whether winning or losing, Nikki Haley is doing all of us a favor: she is weakening Trump. She is saying to staunch Republican audiences - who would NEVER listen to us - that Trump's brain just isn't right. She is doing our work for us. We should hope she stays in the primary...

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

agip wrote:

true that NH is not trumplandia. I'm sure Trump will win by a lot more in confederate states, sure.

But trumplandia states like SC don't matter....what matters is states like NH - with their non-m'aga populations. NH probably tells us a lot more about what's going on in the purple region electorate than SC will. We'll learn from NH what is going on in key states PA WI MN MI.

Theres's also the below, which is true. Haley is undermining trump, getting him on the news looking ridiculous. That will help with the indies.

Foggynoggin
@steamtug7
Whether winning or losing, Nikki Haley is doing all of us a favor: she is weakening Trump. She is saying to staunch Republican audiences - who would NEVER listen to us - that Trump's brain just isn't right. She is doing our work for us. We should hope she stays in the primary...

It's 2024. The notion that there are actual undecided independents running around is silly.

Biden and Trump were the nominees 4 years ago and the only things that's changed is Biden now has a record to run on and that record is bad.

Minorities now have 4 years of Biden's ineptitude to judge him on rather than his association with Obama and cries of RACISM against Trump. Polling shows Biden is losing ground among blacks and latinos.

Link:www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics...

agip wrote:

JustMe22 wrote:

You and I both love to argue, so let's just acknowledge that and set it aside.

The next three primaries are going to test your premises. Haley likely won't win South Carolina, where she used to be Governor. I don't like your claim that Trump has lost suburban white women. He won white women overall in 2016, and won them by a larger percentage in 2020. I DO think you are correct that suburbanites are largely anti-Trump. I explain this in terms of "$4 gas isn't as big of a deal of you have a comfortable middle class lifestyle," but Trump doesn't *have* to win the suburbs to get to 270. He's making gains among minorities that Dems claim to represent, but then ignore in policymaking. See: Biden's claim that the "US was built by the middle class." It wasn't. It was built on the backs of immigrants, who were not treated well.

Haley won't split the Trump vote if she stays in...especially if she declares as an independent. She *will* cut into Biden's support, because he's too old and too white. And...the point is probably moot. My best guess is she drops out by Florida and endorses Trump.

One of us is wrong, and both of us have a bad habit of stating our opinions as fact. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

Enjoy your run today!

true that NH is not trumplandia. I'm sure Trump will win by a lot more in confederate states, sure.

But trumplandia states like SC don't matter....what matters is states like NH - with their non-m'aga populations. NH probably tells us a lot more about what's going on in the purple region electorate that trump needs to win than SC will. We'll learn from NH what is going on in key states PA WI MN MI.

Theres's also the below, which is true. Haley is undermining trump, getting him on the news looking ridiculous. That will help with the indies.

Foggynoggin
@steamtug7
Whether winning or losing, Nikki Haley is doing all of us a favor: she is weakening Trump. She is saying to staunch Republican audiences - who would NEVER listen to us - that Trump's brain just isn't right. She is doing our work for us. We should hope she stays in the primary...

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Trump is a stain wrote:

Trump said he will not support Taiwan. He will not support Ukraine. Poland would be left out to hang. He will pull out of NATO.

How did Trump move the party to the left of Bernie Sanders?

Pro Tip: It has nothing to do with Trump being a man that yearns for global peace and harmony. Or cares about the troops.

instead. Look at the price tag he can charge in personal enrichment in selling out US policy and abandoning our allies to the highest bidders.

Trump cares about one person. If you can’t decipher that at this point in this game you are gone

Where did Trump say he wouldn't support Taiwan?

The US has no interest in Ukraine. Poland is a member of NATO and would be defended.

Trump asked NATO members to honor their financial commitment to the organization. It's sole purpose is defending Europe from Russia. It's reasonable to expect Europe to participate in funding it's own defense. It's reasonable to argue that there's no point in the US remaining in an organization that provides ZERO benefit to the US when the members it actually does benefit won't even pay their fare share.

The only reason the west has an adversarial relationship with Russia is the west's insistence on maintaining an adversarial relationship. The war mongers who profit off of the weapons industry want pointless forever war because it makes them rich.

Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Suggesting that the GoP is now left of Sanders is abject stupidity.

ALL politicians are narcissists. The notion that Obama or Clinton or Biden aren't just as arrogant as Trump is absurd.

Policy is what matters. Trump policies are superior to Democrat policies.

Nnonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

GOP Crime Blotter

Another J6 'hostage' assaulted law enforcement officers with chemical spray.

or should I say another 'hostage' who was peacefully and patriotically discharging his chemical spray as is his right as an American...when a cop's face got in the way. Without any call or reason.

NBC News
@NBCNews
A Jan. 6 rioter dubbed "Blue Plaid Sprayer" and identified by online sleuths more than two years ago has been arrested and charged with assaulting law enforcement officers with chemical spray as they protected the Capitol.

Correct, they were all there because they were tricked by the FBI and Aunt Tifa, they were all let in by law enforcement, and they were all just taking selfies and using their flags in peaceful manners.

Oh shoot, are there hours and hours of crisp videotape that prove that above isn't true? Well, sorry, Fox doesn't show that.....and even if/when they do, we morans still PRETEND not to believe it. Because that's what Donny tells us to think. But remember: We're NOT Trumpers !!!

Nnonequals wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Where did Trump say he wouldn't support Taiwan?

The US has no interest in Ukraine. Poland is a member of NATO and would be defended.

Trump asked NATO members to honor their financial commitment to the organization. It's sole purpose is defending Europe from Russia. It's reasonable to expect Europe to participate in funding it's own defense. It's reasonable to argue that there's no point in the US remaining in an organization that provides ZERO benefit to the US when the members it actually does benefit won't even pay their fare share.

The only reason the west has an adversarial relationship with Russia is the west's insistence on maintaining an adversarial relationship. The war mongers who profit off of the weapons industry want pointless forever war because it makes them rich.

Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Suggesting that the GoP is now left of Sanders is abject stupidity.

ALL politicians are narcissists. The notion that Obama or Clinton or Biden aren't just as arrogant as Trump is absurd.

Policy is what matters. Trump policies are superior to Democrat policies.

An oldie but goodie - Trump's POLICIES were good !!!

Is not accepting democracy a policy?

And guess what, some of the most reviled dictators in history NO DOUBT had one or more arguably "good policies."

But even by that (very low) standard, Trump would probably fall way short of some horrible names. He's not very smart, he's not very knowledgeable, he's not very competent, he has no self-restraint whatsoever, etc. For one of a million examples, we could compare the autobahn to the wall.........

He truly is the Zero Package. But fly the flag proudly, nonetheless !!!

agip wrote:

JustMe22 wrote:

You and I both love to argue, so let's just acknowledge that and set it aside.

The next three primaries are going to test your premises. Haley likely won't win South Carolina, where she used to be Governor. I don't like your claim that Trump has lost suburban white women. He won white women overall in 2016, and won them by a larger percentage in 2020. I DO think you are correct that suburbanites are largely anti-Trump. I explain this in terms of "$4 gas isn't as big of a deal of you have a comfortable middle class lifestyle," but Trump doesn't *have* to win the suburbs to get to 270. He's making gains among minorities that Dems claim to represent, but then ignore in policymaking. See: Biden's claim that the "US was built by the middle class." It wasn't. It was built on the backs of immigrants, who were not treated well.

Haley won't split the Trump vote if she stays in...especially if she declares as an independent. She *will* cut into Biden's support, because he's too old and too white. And...the point is probably moot. My best guess is she drops out by Florida and endorses Trump.

One of us is wrong, and both of us have a bad habit of stating our opinions as fact. Let's wait a bit and see what happens.

Enjoy your run today!

true that NH is not trumplandia. I'm sure Trump will win by a lot more in confederate states, sure.

But trumplandia states like SC don't matter....what matters is states like NH - with their non-m'aga populations. NH probably tells us a lot more about what's going on in the purple region electorate that trump needs to win than SC will. We'll learn from NH what is going on in key states PA WI MN MI.

Theres's also the below, which is true. Haley is undermining trump, getting him on the news looking ridiculous. That will help with the indies.

Foggynoggin
@steamtug7
Whether winning or losing, Nikki Haley is doing all of us a favor: she is weakening Trump. She is saying to staunch Republican audiences - who would NEVER listen to us - that Trump's brain just isn't right. She is doing our work for us. We should hope she stays in the primary...