"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

"Another revelation from the investigation is that manufacturing costs for Pfizer’s vaccine stands allegedly cost just 76p per shot."

"With Pfizer reportedly charging the UK Government £22 per dose, this represents a near 3,000 per cent mark-up on the manufacturing price."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280959/Pfizer-accused-funding-lies-AstraZenecas-jab.html

I can prove unequivically that the Texas data is not reliable.

Read under Limitations:

• Immunization data for COVID-19 are dependent on clinician report of status to ImmTrac2

It requires that the individual's vaccination status was uploaded to ImmTrac2, the Texas Immunization Registry. That immunization registry is mostly used for kids in schools and individuals in the public health system. That is why of 28.70 million Texans, only 9.1 million have a vaccination record with ImmTrac2 (primarily kids). At this point, 64% of Texans have had at least one dose, so at the bare minimum there should be 18.4 million records with ImmTrac2 if they are accurately tracking vaccinations (and that is ignoring all of the kids' vaccination records already in the system). It is this willful ignorance that is fueling the false narrative that vaccines are more effective than they are in reality. The lack of transparency should be alarming to everyone, regardless of your political affiliation.

With the minimal compensation for those delivering vaccinations, the shortage of medical workers during the pandemic (which has only been exacerbated by vaccine mandates), etc., the likelihood that individuals would go through the necessary steps to create accounts for those who got shots (and gave the consent to do so) is practically zero (which is why there is such a large discrepency between the number of vaccinated individuals and the number of ImmTrac2 accounts). So, considering that those most likely to actually have an ImmTrac2 record (school aged children) are also the least likely to die from COVID, it is no wonder that the CDC / TDSHS is so incongruous with data from Israel, the UK, etc. It is deliberate statistical manipulation.

Yes, I do feel that the TDHS data is wrong. See my post above.

joed|rtt wrote:

it is no wonder that the CDC / TDSHS is so incongruous with data from Israel, the UK, etc. It is deliberate statistical manipulation.

1) The data are not incongruous with Israel and UK data. The data from these 3 places all show 90% or greater efficacy against severe disease. You just can't do statistics.

2) Many states and counties track these data:

3) I encourage everyone to read the actual report from Texas HHS. They break out vaccine efficacy calculations by age group, thus eliminating the confounding the the above poster is referring to. Also, let's imagine that many immunizations are not reported to Texas HHS. Thus we are comparing two pools of people (vaxxed and reported) and (vaxxed and not reported + unvaxxed). Unless you think the vaccine is actively causing more severe COVID cases (it's not), you'd expect the vaxxed people miscategorized as unvaxxed to be improving the severe case rate of the unvaxxed population, thus narrowing the gap between unvaxxed and vaxxed.

Thus, under this scenario (I have no clue if it's accurate, but it's what the poster above is alleging) the numbers in the document are an underestimate of vaccine efficacy, from what I can tell. Nice!

In short the poster above is continuing their trend of trying to discredit the overwhelming amount of data that proves their pet theory wrong. I wish them luck.

I just checked mine on our state's site and they do not have a record for my vaccination (at a pharmacy). So we are batting 50/50. Which is good for baseball, but not for statistical analysis.

By counting deaths and hospitalizations of vaccinated individuals as unvaccinated [as I have proven (unless you believe that 18.4 vaccinated individuals can be contained in 9.1 million vaccination records, which primarily consists of kids school vaccination records)], it will overstate the efficacy of vaccines among all age groups.

Do not conflate the Ox/Az vaccine with mRNA vaccines which are superior in virtually every trial and study.

Another heroic Harambe presentation of data that is entirely ignored by deniers.

joed|rtt wrote:

. . . So, considering that those most likely to actually have an ImmTrac2 record (school aged children) are also the least likely to die from COVID, it is no wonder that the CDC / TDSHS is so incongruous with data from Israel, the UK, etc. It is deliberate statistical manipulation.

The Texas outcome vs vaccination status is broken out by age groupings which kind of devastates your narrative. In fact, the largest case rate difference is in the 12-17 year old grouping which would have the best record keeping by your reckoning:

re: it is no wonder that the CDC / TDSHS is so incongruous with data from Israel, the UK, etc. It is deliberate statistical manipulation.

The CDC / TDSHS is consistent with the data from Israel, the UK, etc, that is, vaccinated persons have better outcomes by very large margins when comparing across homogeneous cohorts.

2600 bro wrote:

Do not conflate the Ox/Az vaccine with mRNA vaccines which are superior in virtually every trial and study.

Okay. Then just stick to the Israeli data (100% mRNA). Tell me when the CDC ever showed where 60% of hospitalizations were fully vaxxed (as occurred in Israel, but somehow didn't happen here?). Even though most of the hospitalizations are in people 65+ and 90% of people in that age group are fully vaccinated. Evidently you believe that somehow COVID is finding a way to infect the miniscule amount of people in that age group that are still unvaxxed and have not had COVID. Or maybe, just maybe, they are not accounting for things properly. Like in Texas where there are less than half of the vaccination records as there are vaccinated individuals (supposedly, they have vaccinated 18.4 million Texans, but only have 9.1 million vaccine records, most of which are kids school vaccine records).

Why do you insist we had the same dynamics as Israel (it's the only way your conspiracy works). We had way more unvaccinated people. Israeli and the UK showed high breakthrough counts because they have such a high vaccination rate in the older population.

Your entire premise that state and federal organizations are fabricating data. It's much more likely the vaccines are just quite effective at preventing death and hospitalization.

Thank you, as always for more data.

You and Harambe can calmly present things all day, but I am unsure it matters if the weirdos can now just say "the data are fabricated."

Conservatives lost a good one. God speed freedom fighter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIuyFixgaU

joed|rtt wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Funny, I was vaccinated at a community event and a pharmacy and both of those made it onto my EMR?

The CDC data DOES sync up with UK and Israel you just repeatedly, aggressively, and shockingly commit the same base rate fallacies and fall for Simpson's paradox every. time. you analyze data.

Again, the humor behind "I don't like the data therefore I will pretend it's fake" is not lost on me.

I just checked mine on our state's site and they do not have a record for my vaccination (at a pharmacy). So we are batting 50/50. Which is good for baseball, but not for statistical analysis.

If you were admitted to a hospital with Covid, they take a medical history. Part of that history will be whether you have received a Covid vaccination. That information is entered into your medical record and will be reported by the hospital to the state.

Your fixation on what pharmacies report to the state is irrelevant to state statistics on Covid hospitalizations and deaths.

You are trying way too hard, here.

You don't believe the CDC. You don't believe Texas. You've thus far ignored Wyoming, previously linked in this thread (95% of Covid deaths are of the UNVACCINATED).

How about Arizona?

"According to the Arizona Department of Health Services, 82% of COVID-19 hospitalizations and 83% of COVID-19 deaths in October were among unvaccinated people."

How about Ohio?

"Since Jan. 1 in Ohio, fewer than 5% of people hospitalized or dead from COVID-19 were vaccinated."

How about Alabama?

"New data from the Alabama Department of Public Health shows 88% of Alabama’s COVID-19 cases, and 89% of COVID-19 deaths, were in unvaccinated Alabamians."

How about New York City?

"The Health Department today released new data on vaccine effectiveness and breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Between January 17 and August 7, 2021, 96.1% of COVID-19 cases, 96.9% of COVID-19 hospitalizations, and 97.3% of COVID-19 deaths in New York City were in people who were unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated".

I could go on and on. There are 50 states, and the data is more or less the same in all 50 states. The overwhelming majority of patients who are hospitalized for Covid or who die of Covid are UNVACCINATED. The percentages run pretty consistently around 90%.

We all recognize that this fact is inconvenient for you, given your weird and anti-social campaign to see the vaccines fail. You can deny reality all you want, you can come up with convoluted theories about why the CDC or the state of Texas is wrong. But maybe, hopefully, someday you'll start living in the real world again, and not this fantasy bubble that you seem to be in now.

The Lily Hammer wrote:

But maybe, hopefully, someday you'll start living in the real world again, and not this fantasy bubble that you seem to be in now.

This has been tried. Reasoning with these people doesn't work. That's why this thread is so long. You have laid out the facts and they will be ignored. Every single time facts are presented these people either skip it and keep it moving or flat out deny the facts.

All that's left is to mock and ostracize. They have no business being a part of our civilized communities.

The Lily Hammer wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

People still clinging to the fantasy that the vaxx works are in super denial.

Look around your own life. Watch all the fully vaxxed getting sick.

Most of the people I am close to are vaccinated, and I don't know a single one of them who has either gotten sick from the vaccine or who has gotten breakthrough Covid. I do know a few people who got pretty sick or died from Covid before the vaccines, though.

So your advice to "[l]ook around your own life" doesn't really help your argument here.

Texas and Wyoming have both reported that something around 90% of Covid deaths since the vaccines were available have been of the UNVACCINATED. You think that's just a coincidence?

Most of the people I am close to are vaccinated, most in the Spring, and I know that ALL of them got Covid within the last 2 months. So YOUR advice and anecdote doesn't really help your argument here.

Your stats are BS, as usual. Cruise ships are getting small cases of Covid. Guess what, they were all VACCINATED!

Bingo Is His Namo wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

But maybe, hopefully, someday you'll start living in the real world again, and not this fantasy bubble that you seem to be in now.

This has been tried. Reasoning with these people doesn't work. That's why this thread is so long. You have laid out the facts and they will be ignored. Every single time facts are presented these people either skip it and keep it moving or flat out deny the facts.

All that's left is to mock and ostracize. They have no business being a part of our civilized communities.

LOL!!!!! Facts???? Your bogus links mean nothing, you are a sheep, keep following.

I don't wear a mask and have never been sick. Guess what I take every single morning before breakfast?