Sally Vix wrote:
+1 wrote:
+1
Absolutely true.
Again, give examples of Trump's people going after Cohen. I will expect silence.
Reading comprehension ain’t too good huh? Who do you think Trump’s people are? His loyal guys in Congress and the Senate, Hannity and the other clowns on FOX. Trump has been the firm leader of the deep state for 2 years now but you are in denial and still view him as a victim. His lap dogs have all been serving as his mouthpieces.
Runn3 wrote:
agip wrote:
I'll just throw out there, good people of the thread, that you don't have to reply to the trolls. If you ignore them, they will go away and we can continue with our gigantic thread. Which has been good at times. But isn't now.
*ignore the trolls!*
Friend, I am a liberal, but not extreme. But I am not a socialist nor am I right of center either.
Regardless, you come off as such a pompous person thru your words that I can see others getting tired of it. I posted recently & just checked in this evening to see the same name calling back & forth. Hell, I went back several pages and you guys ran a Border Patrol agent off the thread. Sorry, but you too are part of the problem & blame of this thread. Change or deal with it.
This is some poor trolling right here. Desperation...
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Yep. He's not the only one saying this either. He will be admonished by the House at a minimum, and he is for sure in legal jeopardy. All will depend on if someone wants to pursue it in that way, but what he did was clearly witness tampering...the very definition of it.
Flagpole - you are obviously not an attorney. It is only witness tampering IF his intent was to exactly do that ... tamper with the witness. That is a high bar to prove. It was maybe not appropriate for him to say that but definitely not witness tampering unless you can prove he actually intended to tamper with the witness.
What is your personal view? Any other good reason why he would do this?
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Gaetz “warned” Cohen’s father-in-law. Hey Gaetz, you ain’t got no father-in-law! That dude is not married! I wonder why? So charming.
Flagpole wrote:
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
CNN and Don Lemon did a great job reading it in its entirety. Donald Trump is a life long liar and cheat so nothing was particularly surprising. Cohen is going to open up by calling Trump a racist, con man and cheat. Then it gets worse. Cohen will say that Roger Stone called Trump to describe a conversation with Julian Assange, and that Trump implicitly directed Cohen to lie about Trump Tower Moscow. Trump knew that Stone was talking with Assange about a WikiLeaks drop of Democratic National Committee emails.
And so forth. Basically Trump tried to manipulate everything, per his life norm, and once he realized the scrutiny was higher this time he had to resort to lies, changed lies, and desperate claims of fake news, etc.
It would be fascinating to come back in 100 years and see how Trump and his family are viewed by history -- as among the worst Americans of all time. There is no way to avoid that destination. But right now you've got the caliber of the Republican Party and its devotees in play, and that means denial and attacking Cohen and inane comparisons from Ben Shapiro types, etc. This party commits systematic vote fraud in North Carolina and Mitch McConnell has the audacity to blame it on Democrats failing to support Voter ID laws.
I wish I were as confident as Flagpole that this would properly attach and doom this atrocity of a human being. But the right wing is now the exemplified by the likes of Gaetz and Jacob Wohl. Witness intimidation and bragging about spreading false information to influence an election, amidst a rationalization that somehow nothing is improper and harm cannot come your way.
BTW, hilarious melt down by Wohl tonight, after getting his twitter account banned. He was been begging Trump to intervene to have his twitter privileges restored. That is the level we're talking about. Cry to mommy caliber. He is on tilt ranting against Hill Reporter for a story posted about him tonight, threatening lawsuits and retribution. It led to this awesome twitter reply from the Editor in Chief at Hill Reporter:
https://twitter.com/JamesKosur/status/1100606715685302273Rats. The twitter user from my above post is James Kosur but twitter deleted the great series of tweets he had regarding Jacob Wohl.
Kosur lamented it:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
CNN and Don Lemon did a great job reading it in its entirety. Donald Trump is a life long liar and cheat so nothing was particularly surprising. Cohen is going to open up by calling Trump a racist, con man and cheat. Then it gets worse. Cohen will say that Roger Stone called Trump to describe a conversation with Julian Assange, and that Trump implicitly directed Cohen to lie about Trump Tower Moscow. Trump knew that Stone was talking with Assange about a WikiLeaks drop of Democratic National Committee emails.
And so forth. Basically Trump tried to manipulate everything, per his life norm, and once he realized the scrutiny was higher this time he had to resort to lies, changed lies, and desperate claims of fake news, etc.
It would be fascinating to come back in 100 years and see how Trump and his family are viewed by history -- as among the worst Americans of all time. There is no way to avoid that destination. But right now you've got the caliber of the Republican Party and its devotees in play, and that means denial and attacking Cohen and inane comparisons from Ben Shapiro types, etc. This party commits systematic vote fraud in North Carolina and Mitch McConnell has the audacity to blame it on Democrats failing to support Voter ID laws.
I wish I were as confident as Flagpole that this would properly attach and doom this atrocity of a human being. But the right wing is now the exemplified by the likes of Gaetz and Jacob Wohl. Witness intimidation and bragging about spreading false information to influence an election, amidst a rationalization that somehow nothing is improper and harm cannot come your way.
BTW, hilarious melt down by Wohl tonight, after getting his twitter account banned. He was been begging Trump to intervene to have his twitter privileges restored. That is the level we're talking about. Cry to mommy caliber. He is on tilt ranting against Hill Reporter for a story posted about him tonight, threatening lawsuits and retribution. It led to this awesome twitter reply from the Editor in Chief at Hill Reporter:
https://twitter.com/JamesKosur/status/1100606715685302273
I understand not being as confident as I am on how this will play out. The Republican Party as it is TODAY has no integrity, no backbone, and it is led by a serial liar and criminal, and Trump hasn't paid the price yet. He WILL...legally and politically, and ultimately financially. The sh!t is going to hit the fan, and they WILL turn on him.
Jacob Wohl got kicked off Twitter as you said, and he is likely going to prison. Matt Gaetz is one of the worst Trump supporters...he is not indicative of most elected officials who still publicly support Trump. Gaetz is going to be in hot water over that idiotic tweet of his.
Nothing good continues to happen for people who support this caustic President.
Cohen said Trump made him write to every school he has attended and College Board and threatened them not to release his grades or SAT scores. Ha! Now why would that be? "I'm like a smart person." "I have the best words." He fabricates everything. If he actually said he didn't do that well in college I would think that he did do well. Clearly you don't threaten people not to release your grades and SAT scores if they were something to be proud of. Trumpers should remember that Trump chastised Obama for not releasing his grades.
Anyway, tomorrow will be interesting. I don't expect to be surprised by anything. I suspect Trumpers will say that nothing Cohen says has proven collusion or really anything. They will bring up that he's a confessed liar. It will be good for America to see it though. Michael Cohen is worlds smarter than Trump, and he's contrite and not an a$$hole. He will come off as much more believable than Trump...and he apparently has some hard evidence to show too.
The ultimate end game is that Trump needs to be removed from office and as soon as possible. BUT, Democrats have to look at the 2020 election as if Trump is still a candidate...this testimony from Cohen tomorrow likely hurts that candidacy.
Flagpole wrote:
One Armed Willy wrote:
I heard that he has been playing golf for 30 years and hasn't learned to play using both hands.
I realize you are trolling me here, but just for those who didn't bother to listen to the sweet sounds of Flagpole William, I am using both hands in every song, so not sure what you are talking about (other than choosing an odd way to troll).
The fact that it bothers you so much just shows that the real musicians posting on this thread who also said it was evident you were only playing with one hand or "pecking" with two fingers were correct.
It sure does sound like you are, but perhaps that is your "style." ;)
Either way, it has been proven that you are a liar and a fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fK1aiy1lpYjesseriley wrote:
Gaetz “warned” Cohen’s father-in-law. Hey Gaetz, you ain’t got no father-in-law! That dude is not married! I wonder why? So charming.
Keep crying Jesseriley!!!!!!!!
You visit a state like Wisconsin on April 7th and never go back again up to the election November 8th. Laughing my butt off! Go Donald!!!!
As we all get ready to enjoy, or at least endure, today's spectacle, let's keep in mind what President Trump said about Michael Cohen less than a year ago:
Cohen, he said, was “a fine person with a wonderful family” and, as a businessman, Trump said he had “always liked and respected” him.
Flagpole wrote:
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Is he telling the truth this time?
Funny how Dems now believe everything he says and Repubs says he lies.
You guys are so blindly partisan that it’s sad.
You people put party over country every time.
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
Liar’sLiar wrote:
Is he telling the truth this time?
Funny how Dems now believe everything he says and Repubs says he lies.
You guys are so blindly partisan that it’s sad.
You people put party over country every time.
Let's look ate the conditions that Cohen testified under before vs now.
Two years ago he lied to Congress. The lies he told were to protect Trump.
The benefit to Cohen of lying was that he felt that Trump would cover for him. Maybe he could get away with it or get pardoned.
This week's testimony is not part of a plea deal.
There is not the same benefit to lying unless he just craves the attention, which we have to consider.
We will be interested in the details and some of the documentation that backs what he says.
L L wrote:
Liar’sLiar wrote:
Is he telling the truth this time?
Funny how Dems now believe everything he says and Repubs says he lies.
You guys are so blindly partisan that it’s sad.
You people put party over country every time.
Let's look ate the conditions that Cohen testified under before vs now.
Two years ago he lied to Congress. The lies he told were to protect Trump.
The benefit to Cohen of lying was that he felt that Trump would cover for him. Maybe he could get away with it or get pardoned.
This week's testimony is not part of a plea deal.
There is not the same benefit to lying unless he just craves the attention, which we have to consider.
We will be interested in the details and some of the documentation that backs what he says.
ABC News says that he has some suspicions of malfeasance by Trump, but no evidence. We'll probably see a lot of suppositions.
Liar’sLiar wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Is he telling the truth this time?
Funny how Dems now believe everything he says and Repubs says he lies.
You guys are so blindly partisan that it’s sad.
You people put party over country every time.
Yep. Today is a spin doctor's wet dream. They will be out in full force on this thread today.
The truth will be somewhere in the middle.
For those keeping score, here are the crimes Cohen has accused trump of committing. From Max Backmann
There are so many crimes.
I count Cohen implicating Trump in four separate felonies: 1. Conspiracy to defraud the US (knowledge of Stone/Wikileaks email dump); 2. Lying to FBI/Special Counsel (false answers on Stone/Wikileaks and Don jr/Trump Tower); ... 1/
...3. Suborning perjury (approving Cohen’s false testimony to Congress); 4. Campaign finance (hush money payment).
agip wrote:
For those keeping score, here are the crimes Cohen has accused trump of committing. From Max Backmann
There are so many crimes.
I count Cohen implicating Trump in four separate felonies: 1. Conspiracy to defraud the US (knowledge of Stone/Wikileaks email dump); 2. Lying to FBI/Special Counsel (false answers on Stone/Wikileaks and Don jr/Trump Tower); ... 1/
...3. Suborning perjury (approving Cohen’s false testimony to Congress); 4. Campaign finance (hush money payment).
I think #3 Cohen has now said that it was his idea to lie to Congress. He was not directed.
Flagpole wrote:
Cohen's prepared statement that he will give tomorrow morning has hit the press.
It has some pretty serious stuff in there. I am not surprised at all. I don't think I will be surprised by any of the crap that comes out about Trump from now on, but I will admit it if something does surprise me.
Trump is so done.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Incorrect! Trump will be easily re-elected. Democrats are totally out of touch with the American people.
Liar’sLiar wrote:
Is he telling the truth this time?
Funny how Dems now believe everything he says and Repubs says he lies.
You guys are so blindly partisan that it’s sad.
You people put party over country every time.
I know you are trying to take a 'middle ground', or something like that, but that is classic disingenuity right there. He got in trouble for "lying" before because he was lying ON BEHALF OF, at the BEHEST OF, and to COVER UP FOR the President. Duh!
But he doesn't work for him now. Now he is going to jail. Now he only answers to himself, and the legal system. So.....there is a big difference in his testimony now.
Sure, his words are colored by his anger over going to jail because he covered for Trump, while Trump hasn't suffered any consequences. But every single thing he says in his statements are either:
A) Backed up by documents, or
B) extremely consistent with what many others have stated Trump has said or done, or we've all witnessed him doing/saying before
He may be "spilling dirt" on Trump out of spite, but there is no reason to doubt his words at this time, especially since he backs up his statements with concrete dates/times/documents.
But yes, there isn't much new in there. Republicans already knew he was an extremely racist A-hole (they LIKE that about him, that's a big PLUS in their book), already knew he likely cheated the IRS and didn't pay millions of $'s of taxes that he owed, that he was an extreme con man, that he was an extreme hypocrite (attacked Obama for sooooo many things and then turns around and does the same exact thing many, many times), that he was an extreme philanderer who cheated on multiple wives and likely sexually assaulted many women (of course they couldn't stop talking about Clinton doing such things, and even impeached him for cheating on his wife), that he likely was buddy with and went soft on Putin because he hoped he could make $ in Russia, that he broke campaign finance laws by paying hush $ to porn stars and then lied about it, that he mocks war heroes, that he makes fun of the disabled, that he tells supporters at his rally to beat up protestors, that he constantly threatens a free press, that he has no clue about the large majority of topics/policies he discusses and is in charge of running/executing, that he doesn't even really believe in most of the right wing causes he only supports because it helps him with his base, that he likely has the lowest combined integrity, class, intelligence, seriousness, of any president ever, etc, etc, etc.
They KNOW all that and they love him. One of the highest approval ratings by his own party in quite awhile.
It's truly hard to believe.