stones unturned wrote:
stones unturned wrote:
The report will make no such conclusion.
Yes it will, I'm just a dimwit who can't face the facts that there was no collusion. Yes, yes I am. Why am I trying to convince myself of something that we know is a witch hunt? Ignorance?
correct
L L wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Many of those "criminals" are criminals from lying to Congress. Manafort did all of his dirty deeds prior to assuming the mantle of Campaign head of Trump. I am still trying to figure out Cohen.
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is a “hardened” criminal who “repeatedly and brazenly violated the law,” prosecutors told a Washington federal judge.
“Manafort chose repeatedly and knowingly to violate the law,” prosecutors said, from “garden-variety crimes such as tax fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and bank fraud” to “more esoteric laws” involving foreign lobbying.
He lied, they noted, “to tax preparers, bookkeepers, banks, the Treasury Department, the Department of Justice National Security Division, the FBI, the Special Counsel’s Office, the grand jury, his own legal counsel, Members of Congress, and members of the executive branch of the United States government.”
He committed crimes while leading a presidential campaign and while out on bail before trial, and then lied to investigators after pleading guilty, prosecutors said, revealing “a hardened adherence to committing crimes and lack of remorse.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-a-hardened-and-bold-criminal-mueller-prosecutors-tell-judge/2019/02/23/690bd33c-3542-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html?utm_term=.52f6d9f2b611And Cohen is going to jail for committing financial crimes at the behest of Trump.
Sure he is, and you have got it all figured out from the bedroom of your 1000 sq. foot house in the Midwest. Impressive. You'll be wrong like usual.
L L wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Many of those "criminals" are criminals from lying to Congress. Manafort did all of his dirty deeds prior to assuming the mantle of Campaign head of Trump. I am still trying to figure out Cohen.
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is a “hardened” criminal who “repeatedly and brazenly violated the law,” prosecutors told a Washington federal judge.
“Manafort chose repeatedly and knowingly to violate the law,” prosecutors said, from “garden-variety crimes such as tax fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and bank fraud” to “more esoteric laws” involving foreign lobbying.
He lied, they noted, “to tax preparers, bookkeepers, banks, the Treasury Department, the Department of Justice National Security Division, the FBI, the Special Counsel’s Office, the grand jury, his own legal counsel, Members of Congress, and members of the executive branch of the United States government.”
He committed crimes while leading a presidential campaign and while out on bail before trial, and then lied to investigators after pleading guilty, prosecutors said, revealing “a hardened adherence to committing crimes and lack of remorse.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-a-hardened-and-bold-criminal-mueller-prosecutors-tell-judge/2019/02/23/690bd33c-3542-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html?utm_term=.52f6d9f2b611And Cohen is going to jail for committing financial crimes at the behest of Trump.
Let me just pull out a key quote from that: He committed crimes while leading a presidential campaign and while out on bail before trial, and then lied to investigators after pleading guilty, prosecutors said, revealing “a hardened adherence to committing crimes and lack of remorse.”
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
So if the Mueller report points to evidence of other criminal activity are you going to claim victory just because there was no collusion? And are you going to cry unfair because they went in looking for collusion and instead found money laundering, fraud and other crimes?
Rosenstein gave great latitude for Mueller to pretty much go after anything. He left it wide open. I am just saying Mika and Joe were so confident how damning the report was going to be and are now conceding it will say nothing and will be left up to the Southern district of NY lawyers to go after Trump. This has been two years of exhausting efforts on liberals to reverse the 2016 election. They despise Trump and have spent every second trying to bring him down. When is enough enough?
No one is conceding anything. We DO have continuing evidence though...evidence that says Trump and his grifter family and associates are far from being done being investigated, so, since Mueller farmed out a lot of work to those other offices, and since word has come down that Mueller MIGHT wrap his portion up soon, it only leads to speculation that those other offices will be completing those investigations. Certainly fair and still borne of Mueller's investigation.
Mueller's Report will mostly likely contain accusations of Obstruction of Justice and perhaps perjury due to Trump's written answers to questions. Compare these to Bill Clinton at your peril. While I believe Clinton should have been removed from office for his lying under oath, there is a BIG difference between lying about a BJ and lying about conspiring with an enemy foreign power. BIG difference in obstructing justice in each case there.
Campaign finance violation and different kinds of fraud will likely come out of the SDNY...again though, most of that started with Mueller.
Conspiracy might come from a different office.
Unless Mueller's report exonerates Trump in all these things, it is not a win for Trump or Trumpers just because it might not say anything definitive. Trumpers here will declare victory though and they will say I was proven wrong when in fact I have brought this up many times over the months that Mueller gets credit for anything he farmed out. Trump will declare victory like he has already done many times regarding collusion and obstruction. It's all BS until we see the results of all the investigations.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Okay - I retract that offer for Flagpole to leave. His offerings to this thread in humor, deceit and arrogance have no parallel. He is legendary in that regard. Please stay Flagpole. We need you.
Clownpole is too arrogant and too insecure to ever stop posting here.
Says one guy who never stops posting here to another guy who never stops posting here.
Flagpole wrote:
Unless Mueller's report exonerates Trump in all these things, it is not a win for Trump or Trumpers just because it might not say anything definitive.
If it does exonerate him entirely, will Mueller have come then? What is the exact condition for Mueller's arrival, barring accident or death (since we already discussed that)?
The Trump supporters are going to see what they want to see.
I think a lot of them posting here are like the flat earth people.
They know the earth is a sphere and are just trying to troll.
Others want Trump to get away with things.
But they will never concede anything no matter what the evidence is.
Now they say no charges.
If he gets charged or impeached they will say no conviction.
If he gets convicted then of course it was rigged.
Fiagpolian Desperate 4 attention wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ok. We will see. You realize that Mueller has farmed a lot of pieces out to other offices, right? You realize he stumbled upon credible criminal behavior and since he couldn't tackle all if it, he farmed it out, right. You realize he will get credit for anything that comes of those investigations, right? You realize there are 18 current investigations going on right now into Trump and his dealings, right? You realize that anything to do with Trump is currently being investigated, right? (Trump, The Trump Organization, The Trump Campaign, The Trump Inaugural Committee, Trump children, The Trump Foundation). You realize those investigations aren't just because someone didn't like Trump, right? You realize that the Mueller Report isn't the end of those other investigations or even the end of Mueller's influence, right?
Trump is a criminal. He has surrounded himself with criminals. He is a serial liar and has specifically even lied directly to you Trumpers.
You should not be supporting this self-serving unpatriotic person.
No, "you" just realized it so now you're going to post it over and over again in an attempt to sound smart. Fail for you.
You now have suddenly changed your signature at the end of your posts.
Soooooooooooooo, again "you" just realized this or you would have been posting that pages and pages ago in an attempt to sound bright, if not over a year ago. Wow, you are amazingly average in intelligence, possibly below.
You people should have learned by now not to challenge me on such things. I don't say things that aren't true.
From a post of mine in this thread in May 2018:
"Mueller is coming (but so is the Southern District of New York, the DNC, and Michael Avenatti; who will be the FIRST to take down this President?)
The clown is done."
That isn't even the first time I said so. Avenatti has already arrived by the way as is evidenced by Cohen's upcoming jail sentence and Trump being fingered as a co-conspirator to two FELONIES.
I don't have to do ANYTHING to "attempt" to sound bright. I AM bright just by the luck of the draw. What I am though, based on my own agency, is educated. Everything I have said so far that has been proven has come true with regard to this investigation, and it will continue that way probably almost without fail. You just don't like the result that I present to you because you still back Trump which means that are either JUST stupid or racist and stupid (can't be racist without being stupid). You pick.
This has gone on exactly as I predicted from the beginning. It is going exactly how these types of RICO cases go.
Next time you wish to accuse me of such a ridiculous thing, you'd better do your homework first to make sure that what you say is true. I actually don't like to put people in their place, but I will do so every time if falsely accused.
Obvi Q wrote:
* wrote:
Truthfully, there probably isn't as they've been investigating this crap for almost 2 years. Let's move on.
Why the need to "move on"?
Let the investigation run its course. Whether you are anti-Trump or a believer in Trump this would seem like the obvious preference.
The only people who should be anxious to "move on" are Trump supporters who believe he is guilty.
CORRECT! Trump and Trumpers should want Trump to bend over and spread them so they can see absolutely everything. He could give the biggest F*CK YOU to the world if he really cooperated and stopped trying to interfere and then the investigations showed nothing. If I were accused of something that I didn't do, I would INSIST on an active complete investigation so that I could be fully vindicated.
Trump is guilty, and anyone who wants us to "move on" knows that...OR they are stupid and just parroting what they heard Fox News people say...and THOSE people know he's guilty.
WTF^n wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Clownpole is too arrogant and too insecure to ever stop posting here.
Says one guy who never stops posting here to another guy who never stops posting here.
But I've got many lessons to learn in life and it's not here on this thread with you bozo left wingers whining for 2 years, how embarrassing. None of you know jack about politics, you're just repeating crap that you found on some left wing website or tv show. Yeah, that's a bi-partisan view if I ever saw one.
Sally Vix wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Got it, they are “good” criminals and Manafort did nothing wrong while working with Trump. Cohen is squeaky clean, no need to spend time trying to figure him out. You have it all figured out with Trump’s innocent circle, you definitely just convinced me.
They are all criminals and deserve to be prosecuted.
You do realize though that Manafort has been accused now of improper contact with Kilimnik, right; including giving him polling data for some reason, right? You know that Kilimnik, Manafort, and Gates all exited that meeting through separate doors indicating that they knew what they were doing was illegal, right? You know this is when he was working for Trump's campaign, right? You realize he was in the Trump Tower meeting where they were colluding with Russians to get dirt on Hillary, right? You realize that Manafort and Trump have known each other well since the 80s, right? You realize that Trump likes sketchy people and clearly knew Manafort was one of those, right?
L L wrote:
The Hillary supporters are going to see what they want to see.
I think a lot of them posting here are like the flat earth people.
They know the earth is a sphere and are just trying to troll.
Others wanted Hillary to get away with things.
But they will never concede anything no matter what the evidence is, like the video link where Hillary lied 4 times in less than a minute, and Comey agreed. But LL says, she's not the President, who cares as I'm only another moron who voted for her.
Now they say no charges on Hillary as she's not the President.
If he gets charged or impeached they will say no conviction.
If he gets convicted then of course it was rigged. My last 2 sentences actually apply to Hillary Clinton, but I just can't stand being wrong about who I voted for, so I'll never admit that she was a corrupt thief.
fixed it for ya ole' buddy. your bias won't let you see clearly. Hillary lied worse.
Flagpole wrote:
Fiagpolian Desperate 4 attention wrote:
No, "you" just realized it so now you're going to post it over and over again in an attempt to sound smart. Fail for you.
You now have suddenly changed your signature at the end of your posts.
Soooooooooooooo, again "you" just realized this or you would have been posting that pages and pages ago in an attempt to sound bright, if not over a year ago. Wow, you are amazingly average in intelligence, possibly below.
You people should have learned by now not to challenge me on such things. I don't say things that aren't true.
From a post of mine in this thread in May 2018:
"Mueller is coming (but so is the Southern District of New York, the DNC, and Michael Avenatti; who will be the FIRST to take down this President?)
The clown is done."
That isn't even the first time I said so. Avenatti has already arrived by the way as is evidenced by Cohen's upcoming jail sentence and Trump being fingered as a co-conspirator to two FELONIES.
I don't have to do ANYTHING to "attempt" to sound bright. I AM bright just by the luck of the draw. What I am though, based on my own agency, is educated. Everything I have said so far that has been proven has come true with regard to this investigation, and it will continue that way probably almost without fail. You just don't like the result that I present to you because you still back Trump which means that are either JUST stupid or racist and stupid (can't be racist without being stupid). You pick.
This has gone on exactly as I predicted from the beginning. It is going exactly how these types of RICO cases go.
Next time you wish to accuse me of such a ridiculous thing, you'd better do your homework first to make sure that what you say is true. I actually don't like to put people in their place, but I will do so every time if falsely accused.
I love it that you take the time to post such garbage. You're a desperate liberal attempting to "make up" for Hillary's defeat by trashing our President.
I wouldn't read 1/2 of your post if you paid me. It's all Flagpole garbage, an ignorant human being with small biceps, no music talent, and trying to justify Clinton's loss by making excuses.
Trump won fair and square, you're just a doltish all the way around. Bright? You couldn't predict anything of significance on your best day, you're just wrong, again, and desperately trying to be right.
Poor little chubby 57? year old buckeye. You know zero about politics. Give it a rest weakling.
flagpole's identity crisis wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Might be some statutes of limitations on recovering lost tax revenue? I actually don't know and don't care enough to look it up. Those agencies though are coming after him for sure for whatever they can get.
I agree that he likes to surround himself with criminals. Pretty hard to declare otherwise.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Sounds like a desperate post looking for support but ain't getting any. Mueller has been there long enough to say, he's there, not that he's coming. He'll find nothing as there is no collusion, you only want there to be so desperately as your ego and insecurity could use one win a year after all the false predictions. Yes, Hillary the clown is done alright, yet I was hoping she'd run again.
1) I don't do anything that is desperate.
2) Not looking for support. I couldn't care less what any of the rest of you believe. I will cheer the correct and show the mistakes of the wrong.
3) No...he is not there yet. He has not delivered a report. There are still a ton of redactions in his court filings. There are still 18 separate Trump and Trumpish investigations going on, many of which were borne out of the Mueller investigation.
4) There is for sure collusion. That is not even an issue any longer. Unclear yet if Mueller's report will take on that issue or if that has been sent to another office...it's coming though in the form of conspiracy or bribery or some other like charge.
5) I have a healthy ego. Every person has an ego. Mine is of a healthy level. I suggest some Freud for you.
6) I am not insecure. I have mentioned many times my HUGE biceps prove I am not insecure. Gosh!
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
flagpole's identity crisis wrote:
Sounds like a desperate post looking for support but ain't getting any. Mueller has been there long enough to say, he's there, not that he's coming. He'll find nothing as there is no collusion, you only want there to be so desperately as your ego and insecurity could use one win a year after all the false predictions. Yes, Hillary the clown is done alright, yet I was hoping she'd run again.
1) I don't do anything that is desperate.
2) Not looking for support. I couldn't care less what any of the rest of you believe. I will cheer the correct and show the mistakes of the wrong.
3) No...he is not there yet. He has not delivered a report. There are still a ton of redactions in his court filings. There are still 18 separate Trump and Trumpish investigations going on, many of which were borne out of the Mueller investigation.
4) There is for sure collusion. That is not even an issue any longer. Unclear yet if Mueller's report will take on that issue or if that has been sent to another office...it's coming though in the form of conspiracy or bribery or some other like charge.
5) I have a healthy ego. Every person has an ego. Mine is of a healthy level. I suggest some Freud for you.
6) I am not insecure. I have mentioned many times my HUGE biceps prove I am not insecure. Gosh!
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Mueller came and went.
Flagpole is the only clown in town.
No need to prove him wrong, we know it and he knows it. He's just buying time and is embarrassed
WTF^n wrote:
WTF^n wrote:
Says one guy who never stops posting here to another guy who never stops posting here.
But I've got many lessons to learn in life and it's not here on this thread with you bozo left wingers whining for 2 years, how embarrassing. None of you know jack about politics, you're just repeating crap that you found on some left wing website or tv show. Yeah, that's a bi-partisan view if I ever saw one.
Ok Rigged, mr Ameninan translation
This woman is clearly a liberal operative. Why else would a black woman be a Trump staffer? Besides, Trump is a married family man. These allegations cannot be taken seriously.
L L wrote:
The Trump supporters are going to see what they want to see.
I think a lot of them posting here are like the flat earth people.
They know the earth is a sphere and are just trying to troll.
Others want Trump to get away with things.
But they will never concede anything no matter what the evidence is.
Now they say no charges.
If he gets charged or impeached they will say no conviction.
If he gets convicted then of course it was rigged.
Indeed. That is precisely the Trump play book.