“During his tenure with the Seminoles, Braman earned 50 national, regional and conference coach of the year honors, including three consecutive USTFCCCA National Coach of the Year awards (2006–08) and the prestigious 2010–11 John McDonnell Award, presented to the nation's top coach.
Braman has coached hundreds of All-America performers, with 25 NCAA champions and 47 Olympians (27 men, 20 women) among his student-athletes. He also mentored 40 individual NCAA national champions and two Bowerman award winners, Ngoni Makusha in 2011 and Trey Cunningham in 2022. The Bowerman is the highest individual honor in collegiate track and field.”
Well, the previous poster is not wrong. His teams at FSU had a decidedly international flavor during his Championship years, and lets not forget the stripped and vacated NCAA D-1 titles when he let the control of his program get away from him. It happens. It happened to McDonnell as well.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Well, the previous poster is not wrong. His teams at FSU had a decidedly international flavor during his Championship years, and lets not forget the stripped and vacated NCAA D-1 titles when he let the control of his program get away from him. It happens. It happened to McDonnell as well.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Here’s the problem. So it actually starts with American athletes. Let’s say you have 100 HS senior boys that run sub 4:10 in the USA for the mile. 90 of them are going to want to go to a power5 school, even if half of them are going to walk on or scrape by for a spot. 10 will go mid major with a sizable scholarship. But theirs a lot more mid majors than power5s so how can the mid major compete? They go International. The kid from UK or Spain who has run 3:55 for 1500 does not care about the school size and what conference they compete in or the football team(this is what has branded these schools creating the American kids bias). And 9 out of 10 that international kid ends up running faster after 4/5 years.
power5s caught wind to this and started cherry picking the top internationals, Kenyans, Moroccans who have not run 3:55 for example but 3:40 and are instantly a help to their success. This angers the teams and Americans who chose to go P5 and are getting their butts kicked, most have improved and are still on minimal or no scholarship(went to Sprints/jumps) and the internationals are on big scholarships. It’s still more prevalent volume wise in mid major programs because the Americans created that issue by majority to go P5. I’ve been a D1 coach for 27 years this is what I’ve noticed
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Here’s the problem. So it actually starts with American athletes. Let’s say you have 100 HS senior boys that run sub 4:10 in the USA for the mile. 90 of them are going to want to go to a power5 school, even if half of them are going to walk on or scrape by for a spot. 10 will go mid major with a sizable scholarship. But theirs a lot more mid majors than power5s so how can the mid major compete? They go International. The kid from UK or Spain who has run 3:55 for 1500 does not care about the school size and what conference they compete in or the football team(this is what has branded these schools creating the American kids bias). And 9 out of 10 that international kid ends up running faster after 4/5 years.
power5s caught wind to this and started cherry picking the top internationals, Kenyans, Moroccans who have not run 3:55 for example but 3:40 and are instantly a help to their success. This angers the teams and Americans who chose to go P5 and are getting their butts kicked, most have improved and are still on minimal or no scholarship(went to Sprints/jumps) and the internationals are on big scholarships. It’s still more prevalent volume wise in mid major programs because the Americans created that issue by majority to go P5. I’ve been a D1 coach for 27 years this is what I’ve noticed
Furman complains about this all the time. Hi Rita.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
I have no issues with international student-athletes. However, I do agree that the influx of international student-athletes recently is helping contribute to the disconnect between our sport and the collegiate fan basis that support the athletic departments financially.
I also think we are going to see some sort of legislation (or at least an executive order) that limits international students in American universities. It's already happening, just not athletic specific or athletically motivated.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
Agree 100%. Nobody should be competing in the NCAA older than 23 anyways, and we bend the rules for international kids. We make exceptions to the rules for them that we don’t for American kids in regards to eligibility requirements.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
I think this is the PERFECT explanation. Our sport can ONLY remain relevant in the NCAA if we have an audience.
Marathons are getting record number of entries. Track and Field is the high school sport with the highest participation levels. The problem isn't a lack of potential viewers, the problem is that the NCAA puts out a sh*tty product full of international athletes that nobody is interested in.
Doris Lemongole is a very good athlete but nobody is turning the TV on to watch her race. However Tuohy, Valby, and Ostrander were extremely interesting and created MASSIVE fan bases because people followed their trajectories since high school and your average American viewer can relate to them.
So basically, just make all the distance races white again? When talking about international student-athletes, we forget to mention those dominating the sprints and particularly the field events. 2 years ago there was one American women in the triple jump final at NCAA yet no jumps coaches are on here complaining.
So basically, just make all the distance races white again? When talking about international student-athletes, we forget to mention those dominating the sprints and particularly the field events. 2 years ago there was one American women in the triple jump final at NCAA yet no jumps coaches are on here complaining.
I think limiting internationals is ridiculous. However having a system where 28 year olds are deemed freshman. They shouldnt even get a chance to participate! Age limits for sure
Age limit, I agree with but the idea that internationals student athletes are dominating particularly distance when only 1 Kenyan dominated team has won NCAA XC Nats in the past decade is laughable.
So basically, just make all the distance races white again? When talking about international student-athletes, we forget to mention those dominating the sprints and particularly the field events. 2 years ago there was one American women in the triple jump final at NCAA yet no jumps coaches are on here complaining.
Because they aren’t 28 with fake birth certificates and fake transcripts. I have a big problem with people over the age of 23 participating in the NCAA.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
I think this is the PERFECT explanation. Our sport can ONLY remain relevant in the NCAA if we have an audience.
Marathons are getting record number of entries. Track and Field is the high school sport with the highest participation levels. The problem isn't a lack of potential viewers, the problem is that the NCAA puts out a sh*tty product full of international athletes that nobody is interested in.
Doris Lemongole is a very good athlete but nobody is turning the TV on to watch her race. However Tuohy, Valby, and Ostrander were extremely interesting and created MASSIVE fan bases because people followed their trajectories since high school and your average American viewer can relate to them.
Well tell your American athletes to expand their horizons beyond P5 it is not the end all be all
Big boy jobs Arizona - Director job - likely Green will be promoted Arizona - XC coach Portland State - Director - complete dumpster fire - no one reputable will take this job Manhattan University - Director Kentucky distance job - just rumors Idaho University - sprints, jumps Idaho university - throws job Nevada - XC/distance Lamar - XC Lamar - sprints Villanova - multis/feild Tulane - assistant coach/recruiting coordinator
Baby boy jobs Frostburg State - Head Track Frostburg State - Head XC Southern Virginia - feild events Lewis Univeristy - multis/feild events McDaniel - Head XC/track Stevenson - Head XC/Track - repost; new coach quit after 1 day on the job. Pacific Lutheran - XC Black Hills State - Throws coach - aren’t they hiring every year? Emporia State - assistant Hood College - Head Track/XC George Fox University - distance SUNY Plattsburgh - Director
Lots of GA/Junior colleges - but I didn’t list those.Feel free to add to the list!
Happy job hunting! College athletics is hanging on by a thread and you will have 1-2 more years of 60+ hour weeks for $30,000 a year before only power 4 jobs have positions that are low paying.
I think this is the PERFECT explanation. Our sport can ONLY remain relevant in the NCAA if we have an audience.
Marathons are getting record number of entries. Track and Field is the high school sport with the highest participation levels. The problem isn't a lack of potential viewers, the problem is that the NCAA puts out a sh*tty product full of international athletes that nobody is interested in.
Doris Lemongole is a very good athlete but nobody is turning the TV on to watch her race. However Tuohy, Valby, and Ostrander were extremely interesting and created MASSIVE fan bases because people followed their trajectories since high school and your average American viewer can relate to them.
Well tell your American athletes to expand their horizons beyond P5 it is not the end all be all
This is the real problem. Schools went international to get talent because they were tired of domestic talent turning their nose at perfectly good programs.
What's wrong with internationals? Genuinely curious. Spot on with the rest of what you said though.
Internationals are killing our sport. Nobody wants to watch the NCAA championships just to watch 28 year old Kenyans sweep the top 8, half of which will fail a drug test in the next 2 years.
Americans have no interest in being fans of those international athletes. So they don't watch. Our viewership is garbage and that is the reason our sport is dying at the NCAA level.
More people would watch if they could see the local star they competed against in high school contend for an NCAA title.
Literally nobody cares how fast Habtom Samuel runs. He could break all the records but viewership would still go down because nobody is rooting for him.
This is 110% dead on, even if people don’t like to admit it. I was a D1 coach for many years and recruited mostly in-state or within the region at least, but occasionally I’d bring in international athletes. My local kids would always express displeasure in not sticking to our roots and just developing the nearby talent, and especially found it difficult to connect with athletes from countries with dramatically different ways of life and/or language barriers. Ultimately, the influx of international talent has been GREAT for the competitiveness of our sport. However, it’s been terrible for our sport’s growth in terms of popularity, as it’s much more fun to follow along with people you can see yourself in.
90% sure Bowdoin has already finished preliminary interviews are likely to select finalists this week. They moved quickly
nice to see a school actually care about filling a position and moving with urgency out of respect for the program instead of sitting around twiddling their thumbs like if they wait long enough jack daniels will apply
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