Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

some truth to this...but the problem is that older and poorer people don't have the same access to internet-based scheduling systems. What do you do? Throw up your hands and say 'well it sucks to be poor try harder next time try not die sorry?'

Or do you try to fix it by making scheduling less beneficial to the educated and rich?

None of this is easy.

agip wrote:

BLM!! wrote:

It’s actually a bit sad - in the left’s rush to cater to minorities and ensure they get vaccine priorities, they’re inadvertently hurting these groups, as the fewer people vaccinated means that the virus will spread and infect more minority populations.

some truth to this...but the problem is that older and poorer people don't have the same access to internet-based scheduling systems. What do you do? Throw up your hands and say 'well it sucks to be poor try harder next time try not die sorry?'

Or do you try to fix it by making scheduling less beneficial to the educated and rich?

None of this is easy.

Yeah. I wouldn't say either "side" (and there shouldn't be sides on this) has done better than the other. Everyone has failed thus far though.

In Georgia we are averaging ~40K shots per day. I've heard that ~25% of appointments are going unfilled.

This article outlines some of the issues with the rollout.

agip wrote:

BLM!! wrote:

It’s actually a bit sad - in the left’s rush to cater to minorities and ensure they get vaccine priorities, they’re inadvertently hurting these groups, as the fewer people vaccinated means that the virus will spread and infect more minority populations.

some truth to this...but the problem is that older and poorer people don't have the same access to internet-based scheduling systems. What do you do? Throw up your hands and say 'well it sucks to be poor try harder next time try not die sorry?'

Or do you try to fix it by making scheduling less beneficial to the educated and rich?

None of this is easy.

Prioritization of particular groups may affect the lag time between production of the vaccine and injection into particular individual, but we're ultimately supply limited so having the lag time impacted by prioritization isn't the biggest issue in getting everyone vaccinated. In fact, I'd say it's only marginally relevant.

Monkeys typing wrote:

agip wrote:

some truth to this...but the problem is that older and poorer people don't have the same access to internet-based scheduling systems. What do you do? Throw up your hands and say 'well it sucks to be poor try harder next time try not die sorry?'

Or do you try to fix it by making scheduling less beneficial to the educated and rich?

None of this is easy.

Prioritization of particular groups may affect the lag time between production of the vaccine and injection into particular individual, but we're ultimately supply limited so having the lag time impacted by prioritization isn't the biggest issue in getting everyone vaccinated. In fact, I'd say it's only marginally relevant.

In the end, vaccines are going to be much more available in March, and the Feds have said they will have fed-organized vax sites up and running then. it won't be just states and localities. FEMA is going to step in.

That will be the big test of where the bottlenecks are.

also, the northeast was hit by a massive snowstorm this week...that cut jab count by a lot. Workers and old people had trouble getting to sites.

Where I live the vaccine on the shelf went way way up because of missed appointments.

Jab counts should accelerate starting today and Monday.

Weekends are always bad, snow or no snow, which is terrible.

I'm going to stop looking at case counts...they are plunging, which is great. But the payoff from the vaccines will be drops in deaths. And those are easier measured than cases anyway.

- 7 day averages of daily deaths -

US: -10% (2.1% fully vaxxed)

UK -19%. (0.7% fully vaxxed)

ISR -26%!!!!!! (23% fully vaxed)

France -9% (0.2% fully vaxxed)

Obvi Israel's success with vaccines seems to be paying off. Which means every country that hasn't done as a good a job should get a move on.

But in all places the death numbers are coming down.

US is sitting on 1.3m jabs per day, basically unch since Jan 24. Not great.

How about Joe's failing border policies and executive orders. The US unemployment rate is at 6.7% and he is opening up the borders. Right now, agents are apprehending 3000-3500 individuals a day (including 11 Iranians yesterday in Yuma), which is more than what former president Obama labeled a crisis level (1000 individuals per day). Biden's open border approach to illegal immigration is a serious national security threat as many of these individuals are smugglers, human traffickers and even terrorists.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-border-crossings-jumping-back-up-to-crisis-levels-former-dhs-secretary

Very interesting, Pelosi refuses to answer a question about the planning that went into the Capitol attack and the reduced Capitol security - calling the question a "waste of time." Was the attacking coordinated with the knowledge of Dems? Pelosi is certainly making it seem so, why would she angrily refuse to answer the question?

comedyre1i3f wrote:

How about Joe's failing border policies and executive orders. The US unemployment rate is at 6.7% and he is opening up the borders. Right now, agents are apprehending 3000-3500 individuals a day (including 11 Iranians yesterday in Yuma), which is more than what former president Obama labeled a crisis level (1000 individuals per day). Biden's open border approach to illegal immigration is a serious national security threat as many of these individuals are smugglers, human traffickers and even terrorists.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-border-crossings-jumping-back-up-to-crisis-levels-former-dhs-secretary

chad wolf is a ridiculous liar. Even lied to congress under oath.

I'd believe a better source, but not a lying trumper on a newsentertainment program.

Try again.

agip wrote:

comedyre1i3f wrote:

How about Joe's failing border policies and executive orders. The US unemployment rate is at 6.7% and he is opening up the borders. Right now, agents are apprehending 3000-3500 individuals a day (including 11 Iranians yesterday in Yuma), which is more than what former president Obama labeled a crisis level (1000 individuals per day). Biden's open border approach to illegal immigration is a serious national security threat as many of these individuals are smugglers, human traffickers and even terrorists.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-border-crossings-jumping-back-up-to-crisis-levels-former-dhs-secretary

chad wolf is a ridiculous liar. Even lied to congress under oath.

I'd believe a better source, but not a lying trumper on a newsentertainment program.

Try again.

Handle says "comedy..."

So, maybe he doesn't need to try again. Maybe he succeeded the first time.

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRMyeQBzHcs&ab_channel=Ansibrahim

Very interesting, Pelosi refuses to answer a question about the planning that went into the Capitol attack and the reduced Capitol security - calling the question a "waste of time." Was the attacking coordinated with the knowledge of Dems? Pelosi is certainly making it seem so, why would she angrily refuse to answer the question?

Tee Hee

agip wrote:

I'm going to stop looking at case counts...they are plunging, which is great. But the payoff from the vaccines will be drops in deaths. And those are easier measured than cases anyway.

- 7 day averages of daily deaths -

US: -10% (2.1% fully vaxxed)

UK -19%. (0.7% fully vaxxed)

ISR -26%!!!!!! (23% fully vaxed)

France -9% (0.2% fully vaxxed)

Obvi Israel's success with vaccines seems to be paying off. Which means every country that hasn't done as a good a job should get a move on.

But in all places the death numbers are coming down.

US is sitting on 1.3m jabs per day, basically unch since Jan 24. Not great.

Article on some reasons for Israel's success in rolling the vaccine out. Public-health system.

Paradoxical wrote:

Was the attacking coordinated with the knowledge of Dems? Pelosi is certainly making it seem so, why would she angrily refuse to answer the question?

Sure, because that's the inference that a rational person would draw from her remark.

Sure.

formerly present wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

Was the attacking coordinated with the knowledge of Dems? Pelosi is certainly making it seem so, why would she angrily refuse to answer the question?

Sure, because that's the inference that a rational person would draw from her remark.

Sure.

She also didn't say she wasn't on the grassy knoll that day in Dallas. Hmmm. Suspicious.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

agip wrote:

I'm going to stop looking at case counts...they are plunging, which is great. But the payoff from the vaccines will be drops in deaths. And those are easier measured than cases anyway.

- 7 day averages of daily deaths -

US: -10% (2.1% fully vaxxed)

UK -19%. (0.7% fully vaxxed)

ISR -26%!!!!!! (23% fully vaxed)

France -9% (0.2% fully vaxxed)

Obvi Israel's success with vaccines seems to be paying off. Which means every country that hasn't done as a good a job should get a move on.

But in all places the death numbers are coming down.

US is sitting on 1.3m jabs per day, basically unch since Jan 24. Not great.

Article on some reasons for Israel's success in rolling the vaccine out. Public-health system.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/why-israels-vaccine-success-might-be-hard-replicate/617780/

and this update that purports to show statistically that the vaccines are having a beneficial effect in Israel among target populations. But they have slowed dramatically in their vax per day numbers.

agip wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Article on some reasons for Israel's success in rolling the vaccine out. Public-health system.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/why-israels-vaccine-success-might-be-hard-replicate/617780/

and this update that purports to show statistically that the vaccines are having a beneficial effect in Israel among target populations. But they have slowed dramatically in their vax per day numbers.

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this one

If the vaccines we have don't substantially reduce transmission of the virus, just reducing severity to near-harmless levels, it becomes really important that we meter the early doses correctly, yes?

I'm not saying we should let stuff expire, but there is minimal benefit in giving a vaccine to a 28 year old if it's not going to effect transmission (at this point in time). There is massive benefit in giving it to an 85 year old.

However, I think it's highly likely that vaccines will/are dramatically lower transmission so my gut says fretting about optimal prioritization isn't a big deal.

Praise the Lord

The most sycophantic pro-authoriarian personality cult liar on Fox was fired today.

Yahoo!

Now that's what I call progressivism.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/media/lou-dobbs-fox-show-canceled/index.html

agip wrote:

The most sycophantic pro-[authoriarian] personality cult liar on Fox was fired today.

"Most recently, Dobbs was named in a $2.7 billion lawsuit filed by a voting technology company, Smartmatic, on Thursday.

. . .

"Sources at Fox indicated that the Smartmatic lawsuit was just one factor in the decision to cancel Dobbs. His weak performance with advertisers was also a significant factor, one of the sources said." Uh huh. Sure.

Speaking as a lawyer: It's just crazy that Fox let Dobbs (and others) spread the lies about the election and especially about Smartmatic/Dominion for so long. Fox knew, or should have known, that these were falsehoods. And Fox Business, in particular, should have known the potential consequences.

I would not be surprised if other heads--of producers/directors, as well as of on-air personalities--were to roll. When we're talking multiple billions of dollars, that's a big hit for any network.