Omicron seems to be better at evading immunity from prior infection.
'Herd immunity through infection' again shows itself to be pointless; stacking up bodies for minimal (zero?) additional protection over vaccines as the virus mutates.
Of course, still lots to discover and things can change, but trolling the natural immunity zealots (psychopaths) is too fun.
https://twitter.com/SACEMAdirector/status/1466459311673159685
Harambe wrote:
joed|rtae wrote:
That's the gist of it. It basically serves as a starting off point. It encourages your body to create some (not all) of the antibodies needed to fight COVID. Natural immunity does the same thing, except has more antibodies that cover additional viral proteins that the shots do not (but getting natural immunity comes with a greater initial risk than receiving a vaccine). The reason that natural immunity has been shown to be more effective than vaccinated immunity is because it produces a wider range of antibodies than the shots. Breakthrough infections have a lower fatality risk than initial infections because those individuals already have some of the antibodies needed to fight COVID (but not all).
They try to blame antivaxxers for continuing the pandemic, however, vaccinated people are spreading it as much as the unvaccinated. They completely ignored the data from Israel and the UK when numbers started blowing up (the reality is explosive case growth does not take place unless vaccinated individuals are getting sick). The growth rate in Africa is alarming, but it may be due to an increase in testing (the data from Africa is unreliable at best). The omicron variant has made it here and will continue to be brought here by vaccinated individuals. Based on the limited data we have so far, the variant will likely evade vaccines to a high degree and will likely evade natural immunity to an extent (to what degree we will have to watch). Hopefully the CDC releases reliable data and doesn't continue to cover it up like they have with delta variant data.
Hospitals during the Delta wave in the US were nearly exclusively filled with antivaxxers. As were morgues. That is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Not to mention that vaxxed people are still ~5x less likely to test positive, so unvaxxed are still contracting the disease at an outsize rate and therefore contributing to spread far more than they could be.
I.e. Pandemic of the unvaccinated: Confirmed
The 5x less likely to test positive "stat" is patently false. Most unvaccinated cases now are among kids and adolescents. Among middle aged adults (40s and 50s), the infection rate is higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (because unvaccinated individuals are more likely to have had a prior infection and are either dead or have acquired natural immunity that is more robust against delta). In the UK, the infection rate among the vaccinated is almost double that of the unvaccinated in age groups from 40-69. Other than kids, this is primarily a pandemic of the vaccinated at this point.
joed|rtae wrote:
They try to blame antivaxxers for continuing the pandemic, however, vaccinated people are spreading it as much as the unvaccinated. ///
The omicron variant has made it here and will continue to be brought here by vaccinated individuals. Based on the limited data we have so far, the variant will likely evade vaccines to a high degree and will likely evade natural immunity to an extent (to what degree we will have to watch).
The reason for 'vaccinated people bringing it there' is that vaccinated people are travelling ...derrrrr
The unvaxxed thousands of people infected in townships in Gauteng are not even travelling to the testing centre.
I will repost the following from other thread here:
I Am Sam wrote:We had a lady returning via a Doha flight into Sydney on Thursday, who originated in Southern Africa (before the Omicron alert). The next day, Black Friday she went to the biggest shopping centre in Sydney (Parramatta Westfield) , at least 10 shops that she checked in, on the way home 100km up the coast, she visited two take aways, three supermarkets and a pharmacy. She obviously did not have jet lag.
She tested positive for Omicron over the weekend.
Despite all that, so far one other person in community has Omicron, and he shared the Doha flight.
Contrast that to back in June with our Delta outbreak. One limo driver in front seat, air crew on back seat. He visits a coffee shop and a department store. CCTV indicated that a person in coffee shop infected was not in close contact , and in the department store an infected person had only passed more than three metres from him.
Within days the numbers skyrocketed, one week later lockdown as we peaked at 2,000 before vaccinations reigned it in.
The difference between then and now?
92% vs 23% vaccinations.
Update: we now have 7 cases in NSW, 4 of which in quarrantine. The other three were in community out and about for days arriving before Omicron was announced, and found through back testing of previous cases, So far no one has got it from them in community despite their prolific community mingling.
The three arrived on two flights from Doha (Tuesday 23 and Thursday 25) , the 25th one was originally from Southern Africa, whilst the other two probably picked it up on flight from other southern Africans.
So far so good, our vaccinations, yjough not foolproof, is providing a buffer, even though we have totally unrestricted movement
joed|rtae wrote:
The 5x less likely to test positive "stat" is patently false. Most unvaccinated cases now are among kids and adolescents. Among middle aged adults (40s and 50s), the infection rate is higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (because unvaccinated individuals are more likely to have had a prior infection and are either dead or have acquired natural immunity that is more robust against delta). In the UK, the infection rate among the vaccinated is almost double that of the unvaccinated in age groups from 40-69. Other than kids, this is primarily a pandemic of the vaccinated at this point.
The US data contradicts this:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-statusYou can split it out by age group using the tabs on top of the chart.
The data confirm that you are less likely to be infected if you are vaccinated. Hence, a pandemic of the unvaccinated. You are wise enough to know that interpretation of raw infection rates from the UK surveillance report is not really useful.
Thanks, Carmine9. You are correct quote 1 was mine. Maybe someone else said quote 2, but it wasn't me.
I have thick skin, so Harambe doesn't rile me;) Even though I don't agree with his position, I actually give him credit for starting this post, as it has attracted perhaps more interest/replies than any other post (at least in recent years).
I certainly respect that everyone should do their own research and do what they think is best for them. I'm not going to bash Harambe or anyone else that chooses to get the jab-it's your choice. You may or may not have health consequences as a result of getting the jab. Likewise, those of us that choose not to get the jab-may or may not have health consequences if we catch covid. It's all about what you are comfortable doing. Unfortunately, those of us that have made a conscious decision to not get the jab are constantly harassed, bashed, shamed, and in some cases-even fired from jobs.
Arrhenius wrote:
Likewise, those of us that choose not to get the jab-may or may not have health consequences if we catch covid. It's all about what you are comfortable doing. Unfortunately, those of us that have made a conscious decision to not get the jab are constantly harassed, bashed, shamed, and in some cases-even fired from jobs.
I have the same view, I may not and probably will not have the health consequences, but others, whether we agree with their lifestyle causing issuse or not, will have health consequences. Hence it is not a selfish decision, but vaccinating for the combined community effect
Harambe wrote:
Omicron seems to be better at evading immunity from prior infection.
'Herd immunity through infection' again shows itself to be pointless; stacking up bodies for minimal (zero?) additional protection over vaccines as the virus mutates.
Of course, still lots to discover and things can change, but trolling the natural immunity zealots (psychopaths) is too fun.
Trolling a foot soldier from the industry is even more fun. 😉 Del Bigtree grand slammed it last night on Coast to Coast AM - one of their highest rated shows in a long time! 👍 Bigtree said the mass vaccination program is creating these variants that will eventually render the Unicorn vaccines completely useless (as we're already starting to see). Naturally immunity will win the day in the long run. The take home point is you can't successfully vaccinate against coronaviruses (imagine that). Natural immunity is the best defense against respiratory viruses (who would have thought). You lose pro-vaxx mobster. Lol.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-surviving-covid-lasting-natural-immunity-unlike-vaccines.htmlGina. .. wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xaeV8-cpzZIConfirmed.
ANTIVAXXERS GO HOME DEVASTATED.
Hope he made it out ok though
Arrhenius wrote:
I wouldn't consider myself a covid denier, as I know it is exists, since I had it. People certainly have died from it, and they have also (contrary to MSM) died from the jab. Regarding Death is not actually bad-That entirely depends on your beliefs. If you are an atheist, then death is bad, as you don't believe in the afterlife and once you die, that is it.
As a devout Catholic Christian, I am actually very much looking forward to the next life and hope that I have lived this life in such a way, that I will eventually spend eternity in heaven. I don't actually fear death at all, as long as I am in a state of grace. I'll certainly take my chances with getting covid again, as opposed to getting the jab. If I end up dying from Covid (which is extremely unlikely), then so be it!
If you are going to claim to be a Christian, then live up to that name. Christians have a holy obligation not to harm other people, even at a risk to their own welfare: thou shalt not kill, turn the other cheek, feed the hungry, love your enemy, love your neighbor, etc. By being vaccinated, you would assume a tiny risk, and in return be much less likely to spread disease that may cause grievous harm to others, or to selfishly require medical resources for yourself that could have gone toward treating or saving the life of another. Whether you personally live or die beyond today may be of no great importance: but how you help preserve the lives of others - or how you selfishly harm them - is of utmost importance. Self-proclaimed Christians who refuse vaccination put to open shame the name they claim to revere.
"By being vaccinated, you would assume a tiny risk, and in return be much less likely to spread disease that may cause grievous harm to others,"
Not the case per the data
Let's tell it like it is posted:
[some more bullsh!t from Natural News]
"Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right-wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/formerly present wrote:
Let's tell it like it is posted:
[some more bullsh!t from Natural News]
"Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right-wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/
Media Bias / Fact Check?
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bias-fact-check-incompetent-or-dishonestformerly present wrote:
Let's tell it like it is posted:
[some more bullsh!t from Natural News]
"Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right-wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/
That organization is owned by a Leftist. Lol. Mike Adams is a conservative. You lose Liberal.
Being vaccinated protects only you, perhaps-and that is questionable. I don't buy into you are helping to protect others by getting the jab. The jabbed are still capable of spreading the virus and infecting others. This is well documented, and I don't think you can argue this point.
I believe in protecting lives, including those of the most of the most innocent-the unborn. All three vaccines use either HEK-293 or PerC.6 cell lines, which were harvested from aborted fetuses. Though there are many Catholics that have no issue with this, there are also plenty of us (through discernment) that can't in good moral conscience take a vaccine that is tied (even remotely) to the abortion industry. I would also not knowingly use any medicines, therapeutics, etc. that used these same aborted fetal cell lines in their development or manufacture.
Sorry folks.
Kamala Harris, one of yours, just came out and proclaimed virtually everybody in the hospital AND virtually everybody dying now, are vaccinated. Tough moment.
Noyankee wrote:
Sorry folks.
Kamala Harris, one of yours, just came out and proclaimed virtually everybody in the hospital AND virtually everybody dying now, are vaccinated. Tough moment.
Wow, you'd almost think that most of the vulnerable are vaccinated.
You crazy cat, I love your immense logic. You should get a job at Trump Tower.
0/10
Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
You lose Liberal.
What kinda ignant BS is this? This is what you get up in the morning for? To see liberals lose? If you had a choice, what would you prefer:
Liberals lose AND America suffer or
Conservatives lose AND America thrives
?
I know you're thinking that those are oxymorons, but humor me? You come across as a guy who has made sacrifices. Would you sacrifice being wrong for the greater good of the country in which you live?
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