This Manly Man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:"in order to cheat or deceive others". Cheating others is a crime.
The "or" is simply there to say that it COULD be in secret or not. You can do illegal things right out in the open.
And, since I am starting to realize that my position is simply insupportable I think that I should try to change the subject by trying a new definition. Who knows, maybe 'This Manly Man' will bite and let me off the hook.
Jeez, this is fun.
Of course we don't even need to go on to the next one since the first "or" does the trick.
Let us be clear that "or" means one OR the other condition holds (and possibly both but not necessarily both).
So, the "cooperation or conspiracy" could be secret OR it could be illegal (or possibly but not necessarily both). Of course I know that you realize your error at this point but being our beloved Flaggy you are incapable of simply admitting error (seriously, take a lesson from your friend agip - he's great at admitting when he makes a mistake).
But what is funny (possibly on purpose - trying to give you credit here) is that your next line of defense suffers from the exact same error.
"In order to cheat OR deceive others" Note again that pesky "or". Is it illegal to deceive others? So, every time anyone tells a lie they are breaking the law? Dang, we should ALL be in jail!
Sorry brother, but you haven't any ground to stand on.
Not sure what your agenda is here...trying to defend Trump in some way?
Again, see these collusion definitions:
"An agreement between two or more people to defraud a person of his or her rights or to obtain something that is prohibited by law."
Or this one:
"where two persons (or business entities through their officers or other employees) enter into a deceitful agreement, usually secret, to defraud and/or gain an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or those with whom they are negotiating. Collusion can include secret price or wage fixing, secret rebates, or pretending to be independent of each other when actually conspiring together for their joint ends. It can range from small-town shopkeepers or heirs to a grandma's estate, to gigantic electronics companies or big league baseball team owners. (See: fraud)"
Collusion is a crime.