trollism wrote:If Mo tests positive or is implicated.
I think most agree he's as never tested positive as Paula. He's British after all. Brits don't dope.
BA doesn't hire dopers as coaches. They had Aden around because he's the only person BA trusted to hold a stopwatch. True story.
trollism wrote:
If Mo tests positive or is implicated, he can fit in a mini. The busted Kenyans will soon need a 747 to transport them.
Q. How many Brits are elite?
A. They can fit in a mini.
Q. How many Kenyans are elite?
A. Ten 747s would not be enough.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
These aren't illegal drugs. It's a different class. I don't know what they would be called in Andorra or legally anywhere, but, generally speaking, medical use are generally described as controlled drugs. Again, generally speaking, this is not a crime.
This is an important point.
I think the phrase you want is "prescription drugs." Depending on what country you in, doping drugs such as EPO or steroids, can be legally used, but only with a prescription from a doctor. In most countries, it is a crime distribute or possess prescription drugs without a license/prescription. Depending on the circumstances, the penalties for giving out doping drugs is usually fairly light compared to the penalties for giving out drugs such as opiates.
At least in the US, "controlled substance" is a broad term that includes any drug or chemical that is regulated by the government. The restrictions placed on the use of controlled substances range from "only for research" (LSD) to "only with a prescription" (penicillin) to "whenever you want" (aspirin).
El Keniano wrote:
trollism wrote:If Mo tests positive or is implicated, he can fit in a mini. The busted Kenyans will soon need a 747 to transport them.
Q. How many Brits are elite?
A. They can fit in a mini.
Q. How many Kenyans are elite?
A. Ten 747s would not be enough.
To be fair, Kenya competes in one small part of one sport and they still put the UK to 'shame' in terms of dope positives (and the UK is strong in many many sports.)
It's also weird because British sportspeople get tested a lot and Kenyans don't.
But I guess it all amounts to Kenya doesn't dope and Britain has a massive problem? Seems that way in your bitter world.
Despite the glee expressed on the board on this bust, no one of any significance will face any sanction. Best case scenario is a low level competitor "tests positive" and everyone else walks away clean but suspicious.
El Keniano wrote:
trollism wrote:If Mo tests positive or is implicated, he can fit in a mini. The busted Kenyans will soon need a 747 to transport them.
Q. How many Brits are elite?
A. They can fit in a mini.
Q. How many Kenyans are elite?
A. Ten 747s would not be enough.
Please remind me how many gold medals each country got in London.
webby wrote:
Deanouk wrote:Agreed. Farah could have doped, but the fact that most on here are making a somewhat tenuous link between Aden being busted and Farah getting EPO from him, highlights how obsessed posters are in their dislike of Farah.
It is bizarre that people aren't focusing on athletes who are actually part of Aden's stable, but rather concentrate on someone who has trained with Aden's group on a few occasions over the years. Which is hardly surprising in itself. Plenty of elites find themselves at high altitude training camps, where there will invariably be others there who they can train with.
If you look hard enough and want to find something, there are probably another dozen elite middle and distance stars who have found themselves training on the same track as Aden and his group, over the years.
I don't find it bizarre in the least. Mo is nearby, Mo has a relationship with Aden, and Mo is the most dominant distance runner in the world since 2011 (when he first emerged as a world-beater at age 28).
Yes, he may be innocent, but I'm not sure why anyone would think that's the most likely scenario under the circumstances.
I suspect we won't have to wait long to find out. If Aden has been under surveillance for three years, I would guess that the users have been, too.
innocent until proven guilty, no? not innocent until internet posters wearing tinfoil hats say 'probability' suggests otherwise.
Triumph of the Swill wrote:
In general, I'm happy to see any dopers busted. The concern I raised goes along these lines: loads of athletes are doping - Russians, Africans, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, Chinese.... The IAAF, led by Anglo/US/Nike interests, specifically targets only certain groups of dopers, leaving their golden geese free to dope as before and get a way with it.
Whether this is actually happening, I don't know. But part of the work is already done. There is already a perception among a large segment of the desired public that Russians and Africans are dirty, and just tend to be that way by nature, whereas Brits and Americans are hard-working, upstanding, ethical athletes, and any Brit or Yank who gets busted is just a bad apple.
Yeah Nike's money really stopped the feds from bustin Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, etc. In this country, we actually have out of competition testing and a drug czar who WANTS to bust people. In Russia, they wanted to cover it up. In Kenya (and maybe Ethiopia), we learn there really has been zero testing of consequence.
Moderate wrote:
Despite the glee expressed on the board on this bust, no one of any significance will face any sanction. Best case scenario is a low level competitor "tests positive" and everyone else walks away clean but suspicious.
I hope you are wrong. Not sure why you object to the glee. It is the appropriate response from track fans who have seen mountains of evidence disregarded for many, many years. We have good reason to believe that most medalists in the past decade have been doping. We want cheaters exposed so that honest runners have a better chance to compete on a level playing field.
[quote]tony the tiger wrote:
Shame on you . There is no evidence Mo Farah is doping , He has never failed drug test or convicted of doping .
You can attack his style of running or hate on his personality but if you gonna accuse him of being dirty then back up your accusations with concrete evidence [quote]
You are wrong. There is plenty of evidence Farah is doping. However, it is not the sort of evidence that will support a conviction by a court or an anti-doping authority.
This is an internet forum, not a court or a doping authority. There are no official (or even unofficial) rules of evidence that posters must use to support their accusations. And there certainly are no judges with authority to decide whether the evidence satisfies the rules.
That is what makes this place so interesting and frustrating: People can say any damn thing they want; sadly, they do.
El Keniano wrote:
Another reason wrote:Slight problem with that statement given that most Kenyan 'high schoolers' competing for Kenya are in their mid 20s
That's what they said about Eliud Kipchoge when he beat Bekele and El Gerouj at age 18. Nice to see him on become the world's best marathoner whilst pushing 40.
Kipchoge was 18 in 2003. That makes him 31 now.........but you are right, he is pushing 40....
22 / 35
rojo wrote:
Yeah Nike's money really stopped the feds from bustin Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, etc. In this country, we actually have out of competition testing and a drug czar who WANTS to bust people. In Russia, they wanted to cover it up. In Kenya (and maybe Ethiopia), we learn there really has been zero testing of consequence.
C'mon Rojo think a little. BALCO only happened because there were Federal crimes with real penalties and a dead simple case on Conte to try and win.
Please recall Marion Jones was "never tested positive" and would have remained so if only she hadn't started some crazy/stupid check kiting scheme that forced her to admit to doping as a part of a Federal plea deal. Her excuses were legendary.
You also forgot to mention her confession amounted to only doped that one time with Conte/BALCO. True story!
The U.S. federations and international federations are just as corrupt as anything happening in Russia. Ok, maybe not passing samples through a hole in the wall, one at a time. But, pretty close.
It is only when law enforcement swoops in and the scale of the corruption at the federation becomes clear. How in the world are Aden's athletes not tripping bio-passport triggers? They have to be. The IAAF is not sanctioning.
real age wrote:
El Keniano wrote:That's what they said about Eliud Kipchoge when he beat Bekele and El Gerouj at age 18. Nice to see him on become the world's best marathoner whilst pushing 40.
Kipchoge was 18 in 2003. That makes him 31 now.........but you are right, he is pushing 40....
You do a great job with bitter sarcasm man!
Let us not forget UKADs chief executives desire to bury bad news
Also UKA are very swift out of the blocks to defend mo farah here
Lord bloodbag Coe and Lady Radcliffe atop the IAAF
Difficult to see how Moe Farah ever gets sanctioned
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
rojo wrote:Yeah Nike's money really stopped the feds from bustin Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, etc. In this country, we actually have out of competition testing and a drug czar who WANTS to bust people. In Russia, they wanted to cover it up. In Kenya (and maybe Ethiopia), we learn there really has been zero testing of consequence.
C'mon Rojo think a little. BALCO only happened because there were Federal crimes with real penalties and a dead simple case on Conte to try and win.
Please recall Marion Jones was "never tested positive" and would have remained so if only she hadn't started some crazy/stupid check kiting scheme that forced her to admit to doping as a part of a Federal plea deal. Her excuses were legendary.
You also forgot to mention her confession amounted to only doped that one time with Conte/BALCO. True story!
The U.S. federations and international federations are just as corrupt as anything happening in Russia. Ok, maybe not passing samples through a hole in the wall, one at a time. But, pretty close.
It is only when law enforcement swoops in and the scale of the corruption at the federation becomes clear. How in the world are Aden's athletes not tripping bio-passport triggers? They have to be. The IAAF is not sanctioning.
The real difference is this: Nike practically owns sport in this country, especially the relatively minor corners of it, like Athletics. No national organization is likely to ban Nike sponsored athletes - for anything.
Balco, like the Novitzky's investigation into Armstrong, was conducted by the Feds. It's harder for Nike to stop those investigations - the investigators are risking real jail time if they're caught accepting bribes, or, even, being influenced by threats. (Although, the fact that Novitsky's' investigation *was* halted shows that even the Feds can be bought/threatened etc.).
In any case, I believe that all this shows why the most important thing we can do if we want to clean up sport, is to take steps like the Spanish have. Criminilize the distribution of PEDs. Otherwise the incentives to use dwarf the disincentives. Will it stop it? No. But, as we're seeing this week, it helps.
trollism wrote:
El Keniano wrote:Q. How many Brits are elite?
A. They can fit in a mini.
Q. How many Kenyans are elite?
A. Ten 747s would not be enough.
To be fair, Kenya competes in one small part of one sport and they still put the UK to 'shame' in terms of dope positives (and the UK is strong in many many sports.)
It's also weird because British sportspeople get tested a lot and Kenyans don't.
But I guess it all amounts to Kenya doesn't dope and Britain has a massive problem? Seems that way in your bitter world.
But it's the marquee sport of the Olympics Games. The one you really want and used to dominate until those uppity Kenyans forgot their place and dared to compete. It's why we're all here and not some rhythmic gymnastics forum. I'm a fan of track and field athletics. I don't care how many equestrian golds the UK won to shore up its place on the medals table. Everyone in every country on earth remembers Usain Bolt.
Slow down there, boy... wrote:
[quote]tony the tiger wrote:
Shame on you . There is no evidence Mo Farah is doping , He has never failed drug test or convicted of doping .
You can attack his style of running or hate on his personality but if you gonna accuse him of being dirty then back up your accusations with concrete evidence [quote]
You are wrong. There is plenty of evidence Farah is doping. However, it is not the sort of evidence that will support a conviction by a court or an anti-doping authority.
This is an internet forum, not a court or a doping authority. There are no official (or even unofficial) rules of evidence that posters must use to support their accusations. And there certainly are no judges with authority to decide whether the evidence satisfies the rules.
That is what makes this place so interesting and frustrating: People can say any damn thing they want; sadly, they do.
Well, go head and show us the evidence sherlock holmes and i don't wanna hear " he became so good at the tender age of 28" " he went from also ran to world-beater" " he trains in remote/rural areas "
i'm still waiting 4 the evidence zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
El Keniano wrote: Everyone in every country on earth remembers Usain Bolt.
Who, is never testing positive.
El Keniano wrote:
trollism wrote:To be fair, Kenya competes in one small part of one sport and they still put the UK to 'shame' in terms of dope positives (and the UK is strong in many many sports.)
It's also weird because British sportspeople get tested a lot and Kenyans don't.
But I guess it all amounts to Kenya doesn't dope and Britain has a massive problem? Seems that way in your bitter world.
But it's the marquee sport of the Olympics Games. The one you really want and used to dominate until those uppity Kenyans forgot their place and dared to compete. It's why we're all here and not some rhythmic gymnastics forum. I'm a fan of track and field athletics. I don't care how many equestrian golds the UK won to shore up its place on the medals table. Everyone in every country on earth remembers Usain Bolt.
Ironic then that the UK got four golds in athletics in London whilst Kenya only got two, despite the fact athletics is a minority sport in the UK and the biggest sport in Kenya.