CENTRO!!!!! CENTRO!!! CENTRO!!!!!!

OP should own up to his trolling. Jokes gone too far.

Just a quick factual point: some people have been saying that not a single person close to Centro has stood up for him on this thread or elsewhere, besides his agent.

But on this thread, a while back at this point, multiple self-stated former teammates have said the accusations are baseless. One was called another former duck, or something like that

The NOP fanboys are almost as bad as the Lance Fanboys.

Centro out of indoors

Cain out of indoors

Ritz out of Boston

Wonder if Salazar's been mixing Oxygen and Xenon and WADAs finally going to do something about it.

The Rocket. wrote:

Wonder if Salazar's been mixing Oxygen and Xenon and WADAs finally going to do something about it.

Yes, because by all means we must discourage our athletes from using oxygen.

This thread is no less shameful than it was from the start.

Truly pathetic.

I'd be interested to know if Centrowitz or anybody in his camp (his agent, legal representation, Nike reps, his coach) have been in communication with USADA or another doping agency, in the past 6 months, regarding a doping-related or testing-related matter that has the potential to adversely affect Matthew's career.

If this were refuted by Centrowitz's camp, I'd hope this would put a damper on the speculation. Certainly, people can lie, but at least that would put some more detail to the record.

Even if this is purely a message board trolling expedition gone crazy, I think Alberto Salazar is still a primary culprit in the incident. Those, like me, who feel passionate about track and field are still perplexed by his behaviors at the USATF meet, and we don't feel that USATF and NOP have adequately answered for the Albuquerque debacle they created. Centrowitz is likely paying for this.

In short, Centrowitz may be a victim of the message board (me inlcuded), but he's equally a victim of his allegiances, namely NOP and Salazar.

Umm, Mr. Obiously, don't be Mr. Oblivious. Xenon. Xenon. Xenon. Here...WADA set to investigate claims Russians used performance enhancing gas [Xenon] at Sochi 2014"Academic studies suggest using the gas artificially increases EPO in the blood, which is forbidden under WADA rules.""The production of EPO in the body encourages the formation of red blood cells which improves performance, particularly in the endurance events.""Xenon is not an illegal gas," Uiba is reported to have told Russian news agencies."We have a principle not to use what is forbidden by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."It is possible that our sportsmen have been using xenon inhalators but there is nothing wrong with that."http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/winter-olympics/2014/1018622-wada-set-to-investigate-claims-russians-used-performance-enhancing-gas-at-sochi-2014

Mr. Obvious wrote:

The Rocket. wrote:

Wonder if Salazar's been mixing Oxygen and Xenon and WADAs finally going to do something about it.

Yes, because by all means we must discourage our athletes from using oxygen.

Curious... wrote:

Sagarin wrote:Agreed, but this thread needs to go...

It was acknowledged that the rumor was false. Therefore, it completes the thread, right?

Exactly my point. The only reason to keep it going is if the Brojos have a bona fide reason (very credible source) to think this ISN'T a baseless, unsubstantiated rumor, in which case they should acknowledge that. They would not have to give up the source, because the facts would eventually come out.

Sagarin wrote:

The only reason to keep it going is if the Brojos have a bona fide reason (very credible source) to think this ISN'T a baseless, unsubstantiated rumor...

But, if it is about something that is not on the banned list, such as Xenon, and WADA is investigating it, then what?

If WADA-USADA claims, "you are banned for taking something that wasn't banned because..." Something like Xenon gas can be used in an altitude tent, or added to an inhalator. I expect that an epic battle coming. WADA banning something after the fact, and retroactively banning athletes. This means war....

To those of you who say that these threads should be deleted, and the brojos thrown in jail; y'all don't get it.

In running, without these boards, there really isn't much of a "court of public opinion", twitter maybe.

In order to change a culture of drugs, the public must get involved. Athletes must be scared to take PEDs and not just from a "oh no, I'll loose my medal" point of view. But, from a "peer pressure" point of view. There is also a "win at all cost" mentality to our athletes in track and field, in order to trump that mentality we must stem the tide with our voice.

If this pressure to not take PEDs failed to exist, then we would have a culture much like the 70s to early 90s -- where cover-ups were rampant and people didn't give a sh!t.

If we are to change the culture of track and field it starts HERE. It starts with the public. We have no media outlet, we have no TV rights, we barely have a governing body.

Discourse is good for the sport, if you think otherwise, then go play badminton or another sport that doesn't stir up emotion.

If you're a top track athlete and you can't handle a f_cking message board, then just go take a 9-5 job. Star athletes have to deal with a lot more than a message board on a random internet site, it's a part of the job.

Honestly people, take a step back from the track and look at the bigger picture.

U.S. Center for Disease Control:

"What is antiviral resistance?

Antiviral resistance means that a virus has changed in such a way that the antiviral drug is less effective in treating or preventing illnesses. In the United States, four antiviral drugs are FDA-approved for use against influenza: amantadine, rimantadine, zanamivir (Relenza®) and oseltamivir (Tamiflu®). The adamantane drugs (amantadine and rimantadine) are approved for influenza A, while the neuraminidase inhibitor drugs (zanamivir and oseltamivir) are approved for both influenza A and influenza B. CDC issues guidance for health care providers on which antiviral drugs to use each flu season. Note: currently circulating flu viruses have high levels of resistance to the adamantane class of antiviral drugs (which includes amantadine and rimantadine), and therefore, these drugs are not recommended for use in the United States at this time."

Yes, Centro could easily have had a virus that knocked him

on his butt for 2 months and taken an anti-viral med.

Dick Pound off and Xenon:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/27/uk-antidoping-agency-athletes-xenon-gas

"The recommended dose is a 50:50 mixture of xenon and oxygen, inhaled for a few minutes, ideally before going to bed," reported the Economist. "The gas's action, the manual states, continues for 48-72 hours, so repeating every few days is a good idea."

Yet some anti-doping experts are not convinced xenon actually works – or is illegal. One told the Guardian that its ability to increase EPO production is based on an animal study, and animal studies do not always translate similarly to humans.

Another pointed out that athletes can already stimulate a natural increase in red blood cells through the legal use of oxygen tents and questioned whether inhaling xenon was any different.

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I have my suspicions on how this thread got started, one is someone who thinks they are connecting the dots based on a few NOP withdrawals and the other one is purely maliciousness based on ill feelings about AlSal, Centro or NOP. My connections to NOP don't run deep, I assume yours are probably deeper than minds, which is why by now you should know that Centro did not miss or fail any recent USADA/WADA administered test. (It is not too difficult to figure this out.) The messageboard serves a useful purpose in ferreting out information that may not be made public, but I can't find anything that materially suggest there should even be rumors that Centro failed a test.

I think this thread is a hoax and should have been deleted a long time ago.

A positive test would take many weeks, even a couple months in some cases, from the time the athlete is notified to the time the sanction is officially public. We could potentially not know for a few weeks yet.

World Famous for a Reason wrote:

We could potentially not know for a few weeks yet.

Or, not know for several years, as was the case with Lance Armstrong.

There's a virus that hit around late December, my lady friend returned from the East Coast after the holidays, and had the thing from the second week of Jan and is still clearing and and coughing like a chain smoking sailor.

The virus was written up in many papers, the SF Chronicle did a story on it explaining that it was hitting young people and people in the 50-60 generation, and that if you had been exposed to the similar virus to this current one previously in your life, you might not get this one. ---They were trying to explain why someone could get it, expose someone else, and they wouldn't get it. My lady friend is a couple years older than me, she got it, I didn't

That's how viruses work, and this one has been a long one.

This.