Well, it obviously would not affect us. I didn't even know the school existed until a couple of weeks ago. However, it might affect the town, the students, the professors, staff, alumni, etc. And, I bet some would think they are contributing to the world. Your statement, to me, sounds like a wealthy person that says, "Pftt... who cares about inflation... it doesn't affect me!" All the while the homeless population and the number of struggling people in all kinds of ways are going up and up. But, who cares, right?! Screw 'em
would you want your 18 year old daughter to run on this team? Be coached by this staff? Would you be alright with administrators who knew about and covered up abuse of you daughter getting off with zero consequences?
at the end of the day, there have to be consequences because the victims and their families deserve justice. if their negligence and criminality in this matter negatively affects stakeholders, that is not the fault of the FBI or the police or anyone else but Huntington University.
What exactly is Huntington University contributing to the world? It sounds like there are plenty of other little Christian NAIA schools just up the road from Huntington. I doubt the school will be closed but it won't be missed by many if it happens.
Ha ha ha! Blowhard!?!?! That perfectly describes you! Seriously - read your post again. SMH - LOL
I am totally cool and down with the FBI looking into things, and if there is a lot more than we know about, then by all means throw the book at them. At the moment, all I see are accusations. Which brings up a good point. My very first post on this thread #12, I wrote "Has there been a court that has reached a verdict on this situation, or are we still at the reports / allegations stage in the process?" And, then people went all nuts like I killed their dog or something. I mean due process... I guess it's just for the rich and connected, right?
I am totally cool and down with the FBI looking into things
I'm sure the families and victims are thrilled that you approve.
No one is treating you like killed their dog, people are treating you like the rape apologist that you seem to be.
Nick Johnson took a minor across state lines to sexually assault her, and then Huntington University allowed that person to attend their school knowing full well that Nick Johnson was still on campus. Or is that all just an allegation?
I am totally cool and down with the FBI looking into things
I'm sure the families and victims are thrilled that you approve.
No one is treating you like killed their dog, people are treating you like the rape apologist that you seem to be.
Nick Johnson took a minor across state lines to sexually assault her, and then Huntington University allowed that person to attend their school knowing full well that Nick Johnson was still on campus. Or is that all just an allegation?
1) I was answering a direct question put to me.
2) What from that first question I asked suggests that I am a "rape apologist"? Whatever you think, I do not in any shape or form condone or cheerlead for rape. It's abhorrent. I've said more than anyone on this thread that I think NJ is scummy and shouldn't coach or be employed by HU. At this point, the "rape" that you are so confident about is alleged. Perhaps he did, but that has not been substantiated.
3) That said, little deceptions that you and others have engaged in are dumb and discrediting. For example, you say NJ took a minor across state lines. Actually no, he did not. There was no "taking", but I know that is lost on you because you feel that it is fine to lie and obfuscate in order to find someone guilty before the facts are in. You simply undermine your own argument. Just stick with what is known, and tell the truth, 'K?
The athlete and their decisions deserve respect, even if many don't agree with them.
The coaches should be sacked and face (more) prison time if the other claims are true, but Huntington the school should not be punished for letting a likely excellent applicant into their school. The punishment for the school should be in relation to employing or surrounding themselves with the alleged abusers, not for admitting the athlete.
Also, the Federal Bureau of Incompetence should not be within a 100mi radius of an investigation this important.
Who should investigate then? The school and Huntington Police Department have looked pretty incompetent during everything so far. If it were my kid involved I would want someone outside of Huntington to investigate. But that being said if it were my kid involved I would have hired my own investigator. Jail time would be the least of the Johnsons worries.
would you want your 18 year old daughter to run on this team? Be coached by this staff? Would you be alright with administrators who knew about and covered up abuse of you daughter getting off with zero consequences?
at the end of the day, there have to be consequences because the victims and their families deserve justice. if their negligence and criminality in this matter negatively affects stakeholders, that is not the fault of the FBI or the police or anyone else but Huntington University.
Apologies, TMtT, for overlooking your post / questions. I'll go ahead and answer them and hope thats ok with Pavement88 even though I haven't attained his permission nor the written consent of the families and victims.
1) Would you want your 18 year old daughter to run on this team? Be coached by this staff?
Hell no - I would not. However, I am not there and can not pretend to know all the dynamics that those who are there have experienced, so I am not criticizing anyone there for whatever they decide. I believe there are a handful of disgruntled team members (some on this thread perhaps and the reason(s) for their dissatisfaction has not been made known), and I would advise those to find a different school.
2) Would you be alright with administrators who knew about and covered up abuse of you daughter getting off with zero consequences?
We are talking in the realm of the hypothetical now, as the abuse is alleged. But, if my daughter said that she were abused and there were little or no reasons to doubt her, then I am quite sure I would handle it much like BobIndy5034 suggests. That would be the correct response. None of this other weak BS. That fact that no father/parents seem to have a serious issue with the alleged situation gives me considerable pause. One of the victims is surrounded by family in that small town and yet the perpetrators continue to live there as well. Everyone here automatically assumes that the family is worthless, but could be other reasons for their inaction. Another victim who also graduated and lives nearby was engaged to be married when the abuse (or as another poster, LawVsMorality, called it "affairs"). This victim did not join the lawsuit, the marriage was called off. The fiance was also on the team and apparently has done nothing (other than break off the engagement). Also, this victim has family nearby as well. One of the plaintiffs does not claim rape, but rather sexual assault via unwanted hugs in the woods. Then, the one who does claim rape in the lawsuit, says that she informed the Huntington PD and the North Indiana District Attorney's office multiple times (and they knew about his previous activity and had already scoured his phone), and yet they did nothing. And, finally, there are others on the team who appear to support the coaches and administration. Is none of that a little odd and maybe - I don't know, just spitballing here - suggest that it is not quite such an open-&-shut case that so many here are clutching their pearls that someone could possibly deign to question? So, again, a hypothetical question only gets a hypothetical answer, but assuming administrators knew and covered up abuse, then no, I definitely would not be OK with zero consequences. That does not appear to be congruent with how anyone there is handling it, though. So, maybe they know more than all that we assume here? Or, maybe everyone there is under the mysterious magical cult-like spell and prowess that the Johnsons possess (lol)? More needs to come out before we can be definitive either way, and maybe it will! I am not at all opposed to that!
TMtT: If their negligence and criminality in this matter negatively affects stakeholders, that is not the fault of the FBI or the police or anyone else but Huntington University.
You're aware minors cannot give consent right? Like you're aware that every adult with half a brain considers a 32 year old coach taking a 16 year old on a trip across the country to have love making sessions in motel rooms is inherently diabolical. Even if the 16 year old fully agreed to it, you're aware that's still not alright? Literally the lowest an adult human can go is preying on the youth. There is no worst crime in humanity than sexually preying on a child with no life experience or ability to reasonably evaluate that they are being taking advantage of.
Dude you honestly are blowing my mind with how you keep chugging along here.
You are #1 most hated in this thread. There doesn't seem to be a single person on your side, and you keep shouting into the void just to be met with a sea of downvotes.
I am totally cool and down with the FBI looking into things, and if there is a lot more than we know about, then by all means throw the book at them. At the moment, all I see are accusations. Which brings up a good point. My very first post on this thread #12, I wrote "Has there been a court that has reached a verdict on this situation, or are we still at the reports / allegations stage in the process?" And, then people went all nuts like I killed their dog or something. I mean due process... I guess it's just for the rich and connected, right?
So there should be no comments until a verdict in any potential jury trial is reached. This is your opinion?
Motion to Seal Public Records Filed Defendant's Motion to Seal/Remove From CCS Filed By:Johnson, Nicholas E. October 20,2022
I’m dumb. What does this mean?
What happens in court cases is usually a matter of the public record. In some cases, where there is no strong public interest in the knowing what happened (ie, telling the names of abused children, or how Bill & Melinda split up their property). judges will seal the records to preserve the privacy of the parties. Judges only do this if one of the parties asks them to.
This record shows that Nick Johnson has asked that the records from one of these cases be "sealed" so the public can't see them.
You're aware minors cannot give consent right? Like you're aware that every adult with half a brain considers a 32 year old coach taking a 16 year old on a trip across the country to have love making sessions in motel rooms is inherently diabolical. Even if the 16 year old fully agreed to it, you're aware that's still not alright? Literally the lowest an adult human can go is preying on the youth. There is no worst crime in humanity than sexually preying on a child with no life experience or ability to reasonably evaluate that they are being taking advantage of.
I knew that even though it has already been stipulated to, I should have gone over this again because some can't seem to understand that there are many facets to just about every situation. So, once again, I agree that Nick Johnson is a deranged diabolical demented destructive criminal deviant who completely deserves our scorn. So many of his actions were not "alright". Feel free to add more descriptors if you'd like. He is not, imo, fit to coach ever again. I wouldn't send one of my kids to Huntington University. Is this acceptable, or do I need to write more? All of that is quite evident, so it feels dumb and redundant to keep saying the same thing over and over.
I believe it was likely that the Huntington Police also agree(d) and likely did their best to charge him as fully as possible. It's what they do, and they have experience as well as easy-to-obtain assistance / guidance. The prior jail sentence does appear to have been light, but that's apparently what they could do. If you would like to make suggestions of what they should have done differently or better, then that could possibly be a good post to contribute.
As for your statement, "Literally the lowest an adult human can go is preying on the youth. There is no worst crime in humanity than sexually preying on a child with no life experience or ability to reasonably evaluate that they are being taking advantage of." I agree that it is extremely low, but believe that saying this instance is the "worst crime in humanity" is a bit over the top. There are worse predations and other crimes that are bad, too.
You mentioned earlier that you were incapable of making rational decisions until you were 25 years old. It's possible that you may up that age again in a few years, but nonetheless, if you were to put your energies toward making the age of consent older (like 25), then have at it! Or, another poster made the excellent suggestion, imo, of initiating the process to make it a crime for collegiate professors and coaches to have relations with students. I think both of those would be good pursuits that would fit nicely with your passion to curtail child sexual abuse (which in all seriousness, is great).
However, when people "fighting evil" do untoward things themselves such as claiming to know things that they don't (because it is merely conjecture at that point) and/or circumventing the systems we as a society have agreed to use to handle these issues, I take exception to that. I view those manipulations, strangely enough, as being closely aligned with what Nick Johnson would likely do. They may get some flitting satisfaction in the short term with "wins", but in the long term, it will not be helpful for future victims for current "crime fighters" to act in these ways, nor for society as a whole.
An earlier another poster had a worthwhile comment about the bar to prove rape being very high. I think that could be a decent conversation. What is the right level of burden of proof to determine guilt? Is it simply just an accusation itself? So, let's say, just for discussion's sake, someone on campus accuses a guy who is on the xc team of raping them on a particular Saturday morning. However, the guy was with his team (and coaches) - all vouching for him - and running at a xc meet (that was videoed) on the other side of the country on that morning. Should the guy be deemed guilty? Let's say it's a She-Said, He-Said situation. Neither has any substantive proof of where they were or anything. Should that guy be found guilty? What is the reasonable burden of proof that an accuser needs to have, if any?
And, finally, is due process still a thing, or is it now a quaint, but out-dated and obsolete idea? Should the old way now be replaced by quick verdicts via popular opinion obtained by a community decision on some social media platform?
Dude you honestly are blowing my mind with how you keep chugging along here.
You are #1 most hated in this thread. There doesn't seem to be a single person on your side, and you keep shouting into the void just to be met with a sea of downvotes.
Get some help.
When someone hates, they are the one(s) who are without internal peace. You seem surprised that I don't determine what is true, right, and wrong by emotions or by upvotes/downvotes (lol). To me, that wouldn't seem like a very firm foundation. But, if that describes you, I wish you all the best as you navigate your way forward, and I also hope you find solace from your misplaced hatred. Take care.