Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

I have no need to defeat you or claim victory. I just state the truth and refute those who don't. There is no reasonable answer that shows that CURRENT Trump supporters are NOT stupid...either just stupid or racist and stupid.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

We didn't do it immediately. When you are in a surrender agreement because YOU invaded another country, the leash is short.

Not that short. We didn't even let the weapons inspectors finish. Most other nations did not agree that Saddam had significantly violated the surrender agreement. There was plenty of time to work things out without killing thousands and thousands of people.

We were duped. And it wasn't that hard to see what was going on with the Bush administration's lies. You would think that after Gulf of Tonkin we would have learned our lesson. But we didn't.

Who do you mean when you say "we?" The general public or the US intelligence? And what's the timeline for "And it wasn't that hard to see what was going on with the Bush administration's lies?" A lot of people bought in when Colin Powell staked his reputation on it in front of the entire UN. Seemed like a reasonable idea at the time until the Plame affair which was more or less after we had already invaded

Flagpole wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

Hindsight? How about foresight? How much foresight does it take to know that war means death and ruined lives? And because of what? So that Saddam could no longer "thumb his nose"? Or how about WMD? Did it really take much foresight to recognize that "threat" as a concocted sh!tload of lies to justify the Cheney crusade?

Ah well, hindsight is 20-20 and all that, right Sport? While hundreds of thousands are dead and buried. But hey, they aren't you so how much does it really matter?

Whatever dude.. . .

As I said.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Hindsight is 20/20. I already said if I had a time machine and knew what the result would be that I would not have supported it.

I spoke out against the Iraq war based on the fact that it did not pass Christian "Just War" doctrines. Whether you are a Christian or not, these doctrines are very useful in deciding whether or not to go to war.

Even among Christians these doctrines are ignored when a nation is whipped into a frenzy. That's what happened in the lead-up to the Iraq war. We were duped. We let fear get the best of us and we paid an awful price.

Partial correction: We let fear get the best of us and the Iraqis, Syrians and others paid an awful price.

Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

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As we know from Forrest Gump, "stupid is as stupid does". Stupid is supporting Trump TODAY. The evidence is clear.

I'm not going to debate this topic further on a running forum designed in 1994. The nuance and broader issues are too complex and I don't have time to write a novel so go ahead and claim victory, but in summary, I do not believe it matters what his supporters are now because it is symptomatic of larger issues that have not been resolved and will likely not be resolved by 2020. It is impossibly more complex than just right vs wrong

"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?"

Hey dude - just wanted to let you know it is good to see an adult posting on here.

Cheers

Flagpole wrote:

Racket wrote:

I'm not going to debate this topic further on a running forum designed in 1994. The nuance and broader issues are too complex and I don't have time to write a novel so go ahead and claim victory, but in summary, I do not believe it matters what his supporters are now because it is symptomatic of larger issues that have not been resolved and will likely not be resolved by 2020. It is impossibly more complex than just right vs wrong

"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?"

I have no need to defeat you or claim victory. I just state the truth and refute those who don't. There is no reasonable answer that shows that CURRENT Trump supporters are NOT stupid...either just stupid or racist and stupid.

CORRECTION: You state what you WANT to be the truth. It's clear you cannot handle the truth (from your post-election day breakdown/disappearance, to your blatant ignorance on all things related to the DNC/FBI/DOJ conspiracy against the Trump campaign.

Why do you think all these people were fired or forced to resign?

Why do you think Lisa Page and Bruce Ohr were demoted once their actions were exposed? For their exemplary work?

FBI Departures:

James Comey, director (fired)

Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)

Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)

Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)

James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)

James Baker, general counsel (resigned)

Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)

Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)

James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)

Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)

Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)

John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)

DOJ Departures:

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)

Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)

David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)

Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)

Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)

John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)

Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)

Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)

Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)

Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)

Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)

Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)

Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)

Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)

John Carlin – Assistant Attorney General – Head of DOJ’s National Security Division – announced resignation on September 27, 2016 after filing the Government’s proposed 2016 Section 702 certifications on September 26, 2016. The filing does not disclose known FISA Abuses. Carlin is aware NSA Rogers is conducting a compliance review which will uncover the FISA Abuse. The 2016 certifications are scheduled for Court approval on October 26, 2016. Trump surveillance originated under Carlin’s tenure.

Sally Yates – Deputy Attorney General & Acting Attorney General (replacing Loretta Lynch – 10 days) – fired January 30, 2017. Complicit in Flynn Surveillance and surveillance of Trump Campaign.

Mary McCord – Acting Assistant Attorney General – Acting Head of DOJ’s National Security Division (replacing John Carlin) – announced resignation on April 17, 2017 – Left on May 11, 2017. Complicit in Flynn Surveillance and surveillance of Trump Campaign.

Bruce Ohr – Associate Deputy Attorney General – demoted twice. Stripped of Associate Deputy Attorney General title on December 6, 2017. Removed as head of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force January 8, 2018. Unofficial liaison between Fusion GPS and FBI/DOJ. Wife worked at Fusion. Long-standing ties to both Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson/Fusion GPS.

David Laufman – DOJ National Security Division, Deputy Asst. Attorney General in charge of counterintelligence – resigned on February 7, 2018. Laufman “played a leading role in the Clinton email server and Russian hacking investigations.”

Rachel Brand – Associate Attorney General – number three official behind Deputy AG Rosenstein – resigned February 9, 2018. Takes top legal position at Walmart. Brand “played a critical role in Congress’ re-authorization” of section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

FBI:

James Comey – FBI Director – fired May 9, 2017. Oversaw all FBI operations – including exoneration of Clinton and Trump-Russia Investigation. Reported to AG Lynch.

Peter Strzok – Deputy Assistant Director of FBI’s Counterintelligence – forced off Mueller’s team – demoted August 16, 2017 to FBI’s Human Resources. IG Horowitz discovered texts July 27, 2017. Strzok involved in all facets of Clinton exoneration. Working member of “Insurance Policy” group.

Lisa Page – FBI/DOJ Lawyer – forced off Mueller’s team – demoted August 16, 2017 to parts unknown. IG Horowitz discovered texts July 27, 2017. Working member of “Insurance Policy” group.

James Baker – FBI General Counsel – demoted and reassigned on December 20, 2017. Working member of “Insurance Policy” group. Senior-most legal counsel at FBI.

James Rybicki – Chief of Staff to FBI Director James Comey & successor Chris Wray – resigned/forced out January 23, 2018. Working member of “Insurance Policy” group.

Andrew McCabe – Deputy FBI Director – on December 23, 2017 announced retirement effective March 22, 2018. Forced to resign on January 29, 2018. Involved in all aspects. Reported to Comey.

Josh Campbell – Special Assistant to James Comey – resigned on February 2, 2018. Writes op-ed in New York Times on why he is leaving but does not disclose in op-ed that he was Special Assistant to Comey – or that he had been offered lucrative CNN job. Takes job with CNN on February 5, 2018.

Michael Kortan – FBI Asst. Director Public Affairs – resigned on February 8, 2018 – effective February 15, 2018. Kortan served as assistant director for public affairs, an influential job that controlled media access.

Bill Priestap – Assistant Director – Head of FBI Counterintelligence – Holds same position. Strzok’s boss – reported directly to McCabe.

PIO!!!! wrote:

Racket wrote:

"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?"

Hey dude - just wanted to let you know it is good to see an adult posting on here.

Cheers

Racket is childish, as are you. Immature children love to see themselves as adults which is why they slobber over Trump.

Silly Willy wrote:

cut and paste

I keep a log of all of flagpole's posts!

Indeed you do.

Flag[pole can't handle the truth!

trumpian sheeps wrote:

Sheep be sheep wrote:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/428178-is-the-collusion-theory-dead

From John Heilemann program on Showtime—

“When I went to the special counsel for the voluntary interview, it was, ‘Roger, Roger Roger, Roger,'” Former Trump campaign aide Sam Nunberg said, referring to Trump confidante Roger Stone. “I could tell what they were going to do to Roger. I think Roger could tell what they’re going to do to Trump. These aren’t the guys you f*ck around with. They have a strong case of a conspiracy.”

Yep. It will be proven. Trump, Don Jr., and Kushner will all spend time in prison. Could be some very weird thing where Kushner and Don Jr. are pardoned by the next president, and if that happens Trump will be pardoned for his federal crimes too, but he won't escape the state crimes.

Truth is that any list of DOJ personnel that includes Comey, Bharara, Yates, and a couple others as examples of firings/demotions due to THEIR wrongdoing deserves not much of a response.

You Trumpers start feeling froggy after a couple days of no really bad Trump news. It's fascinating.

Flagpole wrote:

Scientology Rocks wrote:

Flag[pole can't handle the truth!

Truth is that any list of DOJ personnel that includes Comey, Bharara, Yates, and a couple others as examples of firings/demotions due to THEIR wrongdoing deserves not much of a response.

You Trumpers start feeling froggy after a couple days of no really bad Trump news. It's fascinating.

This is probably all new to you folks on the Left, but here you go.....

Flagpole wrote:

Scientology Rocks wrote:

Flag[pole can't handle the truth!

Truth is that any list of DOJ personnel that includes Comey, Bharara, Yates, and a couple others as examples of firings/demotions due to THEIR wrongdoing deserves not much of a response.

You Trumpers start feeling froggy after a couple days of no really bad Trump news. It's fascinating.

You realize there are more than 5 on that list.

Thought not.

Its all there wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Truth is that any list of DOJ personnel that includes Comey, Bharara, Yates, and a couple others as examples of firings/demotions due to THEIR wrongdoing deserves not much of a response.

You Trumpers start feeling froggy after a couple days of no really bad Trump news. It's fascinating.

This is probably all new to you folks on the Left, but here you go.....

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fusion-gps-and-the-insurance-policy-to-prevent-trump-from-becoming-president_2417742.html

The very first sentence in that story (an interrogative) is based on a false assumption.

BUT, if there were any provable illegal activity performed by Hillary or Podesta, or Obama or the DNC or anyone else, then let them feel the wrath. NONE of that would excuse the bad and illegal behavior of Trump.

I mean the general public.

There were lots of signs that the administration was lying before the invasion happened on 3/20/2003:

* We knew Iraq was not a nuclear threat. Rumsfeld had told us so on 2/11/2001.

* We knew Iraq did not have WMD. Colin Powell told us so on 2/24/2001.

* On 9/24/2002 we found out that the administration was lying about the aluminum tubes.

* The administration kept talking about chemical and biological weapons, but never offered convincing proof.

* Knight Ridder did several stories on how White House insiders were saying the administration was ignoring evidence and opinions that did not support the WMD narrative.

* Hans Blix provided a UN report rebutting Colin Powell's UN presentation.

* When administration officials testified to congress about the estimated cost and scope of the an Iraq invasion, they weren't asked to justify their estimates. Instead, they were fired for telling the truth.

* Iraq met deadlines for destroying missiles. This was confirmed by weapons inspectors before the invasion.

* The UN security council was publicly informed that the Bush administration was lying about mobile bioweapons facilities.

* On 3/7/2003, the IAEA reported that Iraq had no nuclear weapons program.

* The "yellowcake" statement in the State of the Union was widely discredited.

* The UN refused to authorize use of force.

Let's face it. At the time it was pretty clear that Bush and Cheney were working extra hard to convince us to go to war. The general public should have seen that as a big red flag.

For something this monumental, it should be a slam dunk case. It simply was not.

Its all there wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Truth is that any list of DOJ personnel that includes Comey, Bharara, Yates, and a couple others as examples of firings/demotions due to THEIR wrongdoing deserves not much of a response.

You Trumpers start feeling froggy after a couple days of no really bad Trump news. It's fascinating.

This is probably all new to you folks on the Left, but here you go.....

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fusion-gps-and-the-insurance-policy-to-prevent-trump-from-becoming-president_2417742.html

Why is it that the tin foil hat crowd always produces charts like that?

Adult wrote:

PIO!!!! wrote:

Hey dude - just wanted to let you know it is good to see an adult posting on here.

Cheers

Racket is childish, as are you. Immature children love to see themselves as adults which is why they slobber over Trump.

Neither Racket nor I are in the habit of defending Trump..

Try growing up. Or paying attention. Heck, you might even try both!