TROLL JOB wrote:
Democrats lose again wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090074254010404864?s=20I think Trump is a POS POTUS, but man, when he trolls, he gets some of you hook, line, and sinker every time. Why do you keep falling for it?
Outside of the POS part, I completely agree. They can’t help it.
Trollminator wrote:
It’s good our leader knows everything about global WAMING
Indeed. I'm glad he set me straight. I thought waming was more of a local issue.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Doesn't make them good people that they do that if they back a person who is a sexist, a racist, a misogynist, a serial liar, an adulterer, and a criminal of epic proportions. He has broken every one of the Ten Commandments except for murder as far as we know. Hypocrites to call themselves Christians and support him.
We are just going to have to disagree on this point. They can NOT be "fundamentally good people" and support someone as sinful as Donald Trump. That makes them fundamentally BAD people. There is NO justification for it at this point. They had justification to VOTE for him...there is none left to continue to support him now. Again, Fox News can not be used as an excuse. They have the ability to go gain some knowledge from many other sources. People NOT seeing him for what he is is not acceptable.
Now, they can BECOME good people again once they see and admit the error of their ways, but they are NOT good people until that epiphany. For someone who supports Donald Trump, ANYTHING they do in the name of Christianity is suspect.
So anybody who doesn't agree with your view of this one man is a bad person. Got it.
Being wrong doesn't make you bad. It just makes you wrong.
1) If you support Hitler, are you a bad person? If you say yes to that, can I say to you what you just said to me? People give us reasons to support them or not...Trump has given all good reasonable people reasons to NOT.
2) That Donald Trump is a racist, a sexist, a misogynist, a serial liar, an adulterer, and a criminal (among other bad things) is irrefutable. These are simply facts about him. It isn't just because it is my opinion about him. ANYONE who would support a PRESIDENT with those qualities is a bad person, yes. Some things are so wrong that it makes you a bad person, and supporting Trump AT THIS POINT is so wrong that it makes you a bad person, or perhaps more accurately, shows that you are a bad person. This didn't just sneak up on us. He has slowly yet consistently shown us how horrible of a human being he is, and we have had watershed moments to re-evaluate whether we support him or not. It is long past time that all good people no longer support him.
I am a bit surprised at your stance on this, but like I said, we will just have to disagree on this point.
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
I think mostly they feel a guy like trump, as flawed as he is, is a defender of traditional society. Meaning he won't be pushing for gay rights, transgender bathrooms, transgenders in the army, etc. The Christians are right to think that the Dems in fact will push for those things. And for some reason, that distinction, along with abortion, overrules the profoundly unethical and amoral DJT.
People rank policy in different ways. Apparently to the evangelicals, transgender stuff is much worse than lying, adultery, stealing, etc.
This is what makes them bad people. This is exactly what I was talking about...they have HUGE hangups about what people do to their own genitals and where they put them. RIDICULOUS! What about a transgender person makes them unsuitable for the military? Just another lie Trump told. He said he would be the biggest supporter of the LGBT community they had ever seen. Them seeing Trump as a defender of traditional society is ridiculous. He's on his third marriage to a woman he doesn't' even sleep in the same room with. He cheated on her like crazy, and she says she doesn't care. Now, I don't care what any married couple does, but for them to hold him up as a defender of "traditional society" is crazy.
Better know that men should rule the world, that women belong in the kitchen and than only sexual relationships between a man and a woman are acceptable.
He is amoral. Supporters of him AT THIS POINT are also.
You have many issues here. You do not get along with your trailer park neighbors. You are a narcissist- who can't wait to brag about your stupid arms at least once a week.
You are blinded by your own bias and are incapable to acknowledge it. You are close-minded & intolerant of others who do not share your beliefs. This thread has become all about your oversized ego and lame attempt to convince all of LR that you alone can make a valid point of view. Your sense of reality is seriously warped and even a few libs here are beginning to call you out. Fat hurts is right about that incredibly silly statement you made about Christians- it was foolish.
Seek help.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
So sayeth wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
This is what makes them bad people. This is exactly what I was talking about...they have HUGE hangups about what people do to their own genitals and where they put them. RIDICULOUS! What about a transgender person makes them unsuitable for the military? Just another lie Trump told. He said he would be the biggest supporter of the LGBT community they had ever seen. Them seeing Trump as a defender of traditional society is ridiculous. He's on his third marriage to a woman he doesn't' even sleep in the same room with. He cheated on her like crazy, and she says she doesn't care. Now, I don't care what any married couple does, but for them to hold him up as a defender of "traditional society" is crazy.
Better know that men should rule the world, that women belong in the kitchen and than only sexual relationships between a man and a woman are acceptable.
He is amoral. Supporters of him AT THIS POINT are also.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
I didn't say I didn't love them. I said they are bad people. I won't pray for them because I am currently a non-religious person, but I am not against the idea of believers praying for people who are currently "bad" people.
L L wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/trump-golf-clubs-undocumented-workers-congress/index.htmlThe undocumented workers that Trump knowlingly hired and then fired for being undocumented are looking to Congress for protection from deportation.
In some cases, Trump’s people helped them create the fake documents.
And, you can guarantee that Trump did not give them a final paycheck. His companies got those workers to work for them for zero pay their final weeks.
Diaper Dandy wrote:
L L wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/trump-golf-clubs-undocumented-workers-congress/index.htmlThe undocumented workers that Trump knowlingly hired and then fired for being undocumented are looking to Congress for protection from deportation.
In some cases, Trump’s people helped them create the fake documents.
So what?
Do you have functional braincell left in your empty head?
Your so what makes them NOT illegal. Hiring illegals is a nothing burger. Let them work. Pay them.
TROLL JOB wrote:
Democrats lose again wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090074254010404864?s=20I think Trump is a POS POTUS, but man, when he trolls, he gets some of you hook, line, and sinker every time. Why do you keep falling for it?
That's not a troll post. That is a post to reaffirm his ignorant base's view on global warming because they don't know the difference between weather and climate. To be fair, there are people on the left who will say a similar thing (pointing out that it shows Global Warming) when it becomes ungodly hot for a day or two, but MOST of the ignorance here lies in his base.
Papa Doc Duvalier/Baby Doc Duvalier wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) CNN and MSNBC are not "pushing" Harris. They are reporting the news because she just announced she was running.
2) Inaccurate and ignorant to refer to Obama as a "community organizer". Go do some research about what he did before he was president.
I typed about 250 words. Obviously by your tone do not like the post above. Do not tell me to look up Obama. You make your own points here on letsrun. You do not like my post but you can do no better than to refer to me as inaccurate and ignorant. The gist of the post was about K. Harris. Obama is done. Let us know on letsrun why you do not like what I had to say about Harris.
You don't know if I like or not what you wrote about Harris, because I didn't comment on it, so don't go making assumptions. And, I will comment on any part of a person's post that I choose. Capisce?
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I know lots of Christian Trump supporters who are like your friend. They help in homeless shelters and soup kitchens, give lots of money to good causes, etc.
I can't say I fully understand why they continue to support Individual-1, but they are not mentally ill and they are fundamentally good people. I think that many of them have been supporting Republicans and watching Fox News for so long that they just can't see him for what he is. Tribalism probably explains a lot of it.
Also, most of these folks I'm talking about are quite old. So declining mental faculties could explain some of it too.
I think mostly they feel a guy like trump, as flawed as he is, is a defender of traditional society. Meaning he won't be pushing for gay rights, transgender bathrooms, transgenders in the army, etc. The Christians are right to think that the Dems in fact will push for those things. And for some reason, that distinction, along with abortion, overrules the profoundly unethical and amoral DJT.
People rank policy in different ways. Apparently to the evangelicals, transgender stuff is much worse than lying, adultery, stealing, etc.
Co-worker to my wife prior to the '16 election. "I'm voting for Trump because I don't like the gays and I don't like abortion". She's an avowed Christian.
I doubt this has changed. She and those who believe along similar lines do not care about the potential criminal aspect of Trump. They care about their Bible beliefs being stood for and that is with the Republican party.
Whataboutist wrote:
UB40 wrote:
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber. SMH
What if someone saved the lives of 1,000 children in the name of Christianity, but supported Trump. Would that be suspect?
Motivation for good works always gets to the core of whether they are a good person or not. There are lots of really bad people who will do good deeds on occasion and even regularly. So, yes, a person can save the lives of 1,000 children in the name of Christianity and still be a bad person. A person who is truly a Christian can not support a serial liar, an adulterer, a sexist, a misogynist, a racist, and a criminal of epic proportions as the President of our country.
I know people who only do "good deeds" because they are afraid they will go to hell if they don't. I'm personally glad that the fear of hell keeps them from doing bad things and even has them doing some good things, but we should do good deeds because it is the right thing to do, not because we fear going to hell.
BTK serial killer Dennis Rader was a member and regular attender of his local Lutheran Church and a Cub Scout leader. He surely did some things that were in the name of Christianity and he clearly was a bad person. This is an extreme example of course, but he rises to the level of pure evil...there are levels of badness...supporting Trump at this point puts a person on the scale.
TTH wrote:
agip wrote:
I think mostly they feel a guy like trump, as flawed as he is, is a defender of traditional society. Meaning he won't be pushing for gay rights, transgender bathrooms, transgenders in the army, etc. The Christians are right to think that the Dems in fact will push for those things. And for some reason, that distinction, along with abortion, overrules the profoundly unethical and amoral DJT.
People rank policy in different ways. Apparently to the evangelicals, transgender stuff is much worse than lying, adultery, stealing, etc.
Co-worker to my wife prior to the '16 election. "I'm voting for Trump because I don't like the gays and I don't like abortion". She's an avowed Christian.
I doubt this has changed. She and those who believe along similar lines do not care about the potential criminal aspect of Trump. They care about their Bible beliefs being stood for and that is with the Republican party.
1) She doesn't like gays. Well, makes her a bad person to not like someone based on whom they love. "If you don't want to put your penis in a vagina, then I don't like you." Ridiculous stance...and it makes her a bad person.
2) She doesn't like abortion. Well, I don't like it either. I would much rather that people put up unwanted babies for adoption, BUT what she wants is she wants legislation in place to prohibit women from choosing an abortion...a legal activity decided on already by the supreme court. Does this make her bad? No...just wrong in this case.
Maybe you have heard those on Fox News referring to Obama as a community organizer as if it meant Obama was in Stalin's inner circle. Since you questioned my intellect for as you said referring to Obama as a community organizer. I question your intellect for missing the gist of my 250 word post. After you responded to me regarding my Kamala Harris post, you and your friends debated for 36 hours and six pages regarding the merits of Obama while you all ignored my 250 word post on Kamala Harris which sat in the middle of the debate. Debating Obama in late, January, 2019 is a waste of time and energy. Kamala Harris in 24 months may have a profound affect on our lives.
Papa Doc Duvalier/Baby Doc Duvalier wrote:
Maybe you have heard those on Fox News referring to Obama as a community organizer as if it meant Obama was in Stalin's inner circle. Since you questioned my intellect for as you said referring to Obama as a community organizer. I question your intellect for missing the gist of my 250 word post. After you responded to me regarding my Kamala Harris post, you and your friends debated for 36 hours and six pages regarding the merits of Obama while you all ignored my 250 word post on Kamala Harris which sat in the middle of the debate. Debating Obama in late, January, 2019 is a waste of time and energy. Kamala Harris in 24 months may have a profound affect on our lives.
1) I didn't miss the gist of your post. I responded to the only thing I found interesting.
2) Guess people are more interested in what I have to say than what you have to say.
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
So anybody who doesn't agree with your view of this one man is a bad person. Got it.
Being wrong doesn't make you bad. It just makes you wrong.
1) If you support Hitler, are you a bad person? If you say yes to that, can I say to you what you just said to me? People give us reasons to support them or not...Trump has given all good reasonable people reasons to NOT.
Yes, many of those who supported Hitler were good people. Are you saying that the entire nation of Germany was made up of bad people? (resisters were few and far between)
Obviously, good people did not support extermination of the Jews. But according to the US Holocaust Museum:
Hitler and the Nazi leadership engineered a phony Polish attack on a German radio station to mask and justify their invasion of Poland.
To deflect criticism of its actions, Nazi Germany’s leadership accused the Allies and the “Jews” of spreading malicious lies and “atrocity stories.”
Nazi propagandists disguised the regime’s genocidal policies against Europe’s Jews, claiming that the Jewish population was being “resettled.”
In the same way, Individual-1 has convinced many Americans that there is a clear and present danger at our border. The danger is so terrible that it even justifies the theft of children in order to deter future "invaders".
You are not a bad person because you are fearful. You are not a bad person because you are wrong.
You may be a coward and you may be wrong. But that doesn't make you "bad".
Furthermore Flagpole, you will never convince anyone that you are right by dismissing that person as "bad" or "evil". We all have to recognize that we are flawed individuals in need of redemption.
Love and kindness will get you a lot further than hatred.
Flagpole wrote:
Stright from the Fox wrote:
Did Limbaugh or Hannity write that. Sheesh. What a partisan hack piece.
Written By Kate Zernikeand Jeff Zeleny for the New York Times in 2008.
Sheesh. Flagpole really got his arse handed to him in this Obama experience debate.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
This is what makes them bad people. This is exactly what I was talking about...they have HUGE hangups about what people do to their own genitals and where they put them. RIDICULOUS! What about a transgender person makes them unsuitable for the military? Just another lie Trump told. He said he would be the biggest supporter of the LGBT community they had ever seen. Them seeing Trump as a defender of traditional society is ridiculous. He's on his third marriage to a woman he doesn't' even sleep in the same room with. He cheated on her like crazy, and she says she doesn't care. Now, I don't care what any married couple does, but for them to hold him up as a defender of "traditional society" is crazy.
Better know that men should rule the world, that women belong in the kitchen and than only sexual relationships between a man and a woman are acceptable.
He is amoral. Supporters of him AT THIS POINT are also.
You have many issues here. You do not get along with your trailer park neighbors. You are a narcissist- who can't wait to brag about your stupid arms at least once a week.
You are blinded by your own bias and are incapable to acknowledge it. You are close-minded & intolerant of others who do not share your beliefs. This thread has become all about your oversized ego and lame attempt to convince all of LR that you alone can make a valid point of view. Your sense of reality is seriously warped and even a few libs here are beginning to call you out. Fat hurts is right about that incredibly silly statement you made about Christians- it was foolish.
Seek help.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
I think Rigged is an annoying troll and o don’t think I’ve ever agreed with him
HOWEVER, this post from him is right on the mark.
With this last stance, Flagpole has jumped the shark.
It was a good run, Flag. But it’s over.
Flagpole wrote:
TTH wrote:
Co-worker to my wife prior to the '16 election. "I'm voting for Trump because I don't like the gays and I don't like abortion". She's an avowed Christian.
I doubt this has changed. She and those who believe along similar lines do not care about the potential criminal aspect of Trump. They care about their Bible beliefs being stood for and that is with the Republican party.
1) She doesn't like gays. Well, makes her a bad person to not like someone based on whom they love. "If you don't want to put your penis in a vagina, then I don't like you." Ridiculous stance...and it makes her a bad person.
2) She doesn't like abortion. Well, I don't like it either. I would much rather that people put up unwanted babies for adoption, BUT what she wants is she wants legislation in place to prohibit women from choosing an abortion...a legal activity decided on already by the supreme court. Does this make her bad? No...just wrong in this case.
2) She doesn't like slavery. Well, I don't like it either. I would much rather that people not own other people, BUT what she wants is she wants legislation in place to prohibit people from owning blacks...a legal activity decided on already by the supreme court. Does this make her bad? No...just wrong in this case.
Because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right.
Mr 19th Century wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) She doesn't like gays. Well, makes her a bad person to not like someone based on whom they love. "If you don't want to put your penis in a vagina, then I don't like you." Ridiculous stance...and it makes her a bad person.
2) She doesn't like abortion. Well, I don't like it either. I would much rather that people put up unwanted babies for adoption, BUT what she wants is she wants legislation in place to prohibit women from choosing an abortion...a legal activity decided on already by the supreme court. Does this make her bad? No...just wrong in this case.
2) She doesn't like slavery. Well, I don't like it either. I would much rather that people not own other people, BUT what she wants is she wants legislation in place to prohibit people from owning blacks...a legal activity decided on already by the supreme court. Does this make her bad? No...just wrong in this case.
Because something is legal doesn’t mean it is right.
False equivalence.