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6 years ago 01/28/2019 9:50am EST

re: Ed Murrow

Ed Murrow wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) CNN and MSNBC are not "pushing" Harris. They are reporting the news because she just announced she was running.
2) Inaccurate and ignorant to refer to Obama as a "community organizer". Go do some research about what he did before he was president.
1. CNN and MSNBC are definitely getting that thrill up their legs.
2. He was a community organizer at one point as well as one of the most ill-prepared and inexperienced POTUS ever in terms of governing (and I voted for him twice).

1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.

2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.

Summary of his education and experience:

* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.

* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA

* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.

* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.

* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.

* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.

* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.

* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.

* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.

* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.

His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:04am EST

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Ed Murrow wrote:
1. CNN and MSNBC are definitely getting that thrill up their legs.
2. He was a community organizer at one point as well as one of the most ill-prepared and inexperienced POTUS ever in terms of governing (and I voted for him twice).
1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.
2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.
Summary of his education and experience:
* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.
* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA
* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.
* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.
* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.
* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.
* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.
* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.
* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.

It’s just a label so people can differentiate between similar candidates and so the other side can downplay the opponent.

Reagan was an actor...

Carter was a peanut farmer....

Interestingly governors are known as governors...Clinton....Bush....

Bush Sr was Director if the CIA....

Bush Sr should have easily been a 2 term president....

Alan

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:09am EST

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Ed Murrow wrote:
1. CNN and MSNBC are definitely getting that thrill up their legs.
2. He was a community organizer at one point as well as one of the most ill-prepared and inexperienced POTUS ever in terms of governing (and I voted for him twice).
1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.
2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.
Summary of his education and experience:
* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.
* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA
* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.
* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.
* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.
* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.
* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.
* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.
* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.

Sounds like the above would make great qualifications for a legislative position. A POTUS? Not so much.

You're wrong. I have to agree with the other poster.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:15am EST

re: Runningart2004

Runningart2004 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.
2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.
Summary of his education and experience:
* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.
* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA
* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.
* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.
* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.
* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.
* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.
* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.
* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.
It’s just a label so people can differentiate between similar candidates and so the other side can downplay the opponent.
Reagan was an actor...
Carter was a peanut farmer....
Interestingly governors are known as governors...Clinton....Bush....
Bush Sr was Director if the CIA....
Bush Sr should have easily been a 2 term president....
Alan

1) Obama suffered the diminishing label as a "community organizer" more than any other President.

2) Reagan was known as the Governor of California more so than an actor.

3) Carter WAS called a "peanut farmer", but for those of us around in 1976 when he was elected, that was given to him affectionately as in "he is a regular guy". Obviously he was also the Governor of Georgia, a State Senator, and a member of the US Navy.

4) Bush would have been re-elected if he didn't go back on his "read my lips" comment.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:19am EST

re: Runningart2004

Runningart2004 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.
2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.
Summary of his education and experience:
* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.
* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA
* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.
* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.
* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.
* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.
* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.
* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.
* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.
It’s just a label so people can differentiate between similar candidates and so the other side can downplay the opponent.
Reagan was an actor...
Carter was a peanut farmer....
Interestingly governors are known as governors...Clinton....Bush....
Bush Sr was Director if the CIA....
Bush Sr should have easily been a 2 term president....
Alan

Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.

LBJ: More

Nixon: More

Ford: More

Carter: More

Reagan: More

Bush, Sr.: More

Clinton: More

Bush, Jr.: More

Trump: A lot Less

At least he's got Trump beat.

To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.

I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:27am EST

re: SSL

SSL wrote:
Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.
LBJ: More
Nixon: More
Ford: More
Carter: More
Reagan: More
Bush, Sr.: More
Clinton: More
Bush, Jr.: More
Trump: A lot Less
At least he's got Trump beat.
To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.
I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.

My favorite part about this list is that :

a) It conveniently starts right after JFK

b) The argument was in regards to Obama as just a "community organizer", which he clearly was much more. Whether he was "qualified" to be president is more or less subjective but seeing as how he won two terms I'll go with yes

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:27am EST

re: SSL

SSL wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
It’s just a label so people can differentiate between similar candidates and so the other side can downplay the opponent.
Reagan was an actor...
Carter was a peanut farmer....
Interestingly governors are known as governors...Clinton....Bush....
Bush Sr was Director if the CIA....
Bush Sr should have easily been a 2 term president....
Alan
Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.
LBJ: More
Nixon: More
Ford: More
Carter: More
Reagan: More
Bush, Sr.: More
Clinton: More
Bush, Jr.: More
Trump: A lot Less
At least he's got Trump beat.
To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.
I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.

Obama had more relevant experience than W.

The governor of Texas doesn't have very much power. However, as governor, W took a state with a huge surplus and converted it into a state with a huge deficit. Sound familiar?

W's main experience was as a failed West Texas oil man. Then he was a failed governor. Then he was a failed president.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:30am EST

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
SSL wrote:
Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.
LBJ: More
Nixon: More
Ford: More
Carter: More
Reagan: More
Bush, Sr.: More
Clinton: More
Bush, Jr.: More
Trump: A lot Less
At least he's got Trump beat.
To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.
I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.
Obama had more relevant experience than W.
The governor of Texas doesn't have very much power. However, as governor, W took a state with a huge surplus and converted it into a state with a huge deficit. Sound familiar?
W's main experience was as a failed West Texas oil man. Then he was a failed governor. Then he was a failed president.

No.

Obama had much less experience than GWB.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:33am EST

re: Racket

so, you're saying that you have to go back nearly 50 years before you find someone less ready to be president? ok. and winning two terms has nothing to do with be prepared to be president. that's an idiotic statement.

Racket wrote:
SSL wrote:
Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.
LBJ: More
Nixon: More
Ford: More
Carter: More
Reagan: More
Bush, Sr.: More
Clinton: More
Bush, Jr.: More
Trump: A lot Less
At least he's got Trump beat.
To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.
I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.
My favorite part about this list is that :
a) It conveniently starts right after JFK
b) The argument was in regards to Obama as just a "community organizer", which he clearly was much more. Whether he was "qualified" to be president is more or less subjective but seeing as how he won two terms I'll go with yes

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:39am EST

re: Quality posters only

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:40am EST

re: Corrector, The

All I know that the next Democrat nominee needs to go to the left if they want to win the election.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:42am EST

re: Texas Pete

Texas Pete wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Obama had more relevant experience than W.
The governor of Texas doesn't have very much power. However, as governor, W took a state with a huge surplus and converted it into a state with a huge deficit. Sound familiar?
W's main experience was as a failed West Texas oil man. Then he was a failed governor. Then he was a failed president.
No.
Obama had much less experience than GWB.

Well, that is a powerful argument. Gee, I'm convinced.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:50am EST

re: SSL

SSL wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
It’s just a label so people can differentiate between similar candidates and so the other side can downplay the opponent.
Reagan was an actor...
Carter was a peanut farmer....
Interestingly governors are known as governors...Clinton....Bush....
Bush Sr was Director if the CIA....
Bush Sr should have easily been a 2 term president....
Alan
Recent Presidents more /less prepared than Obama to be President.
LBJ: More
Nixon: More
Ford: More
Carter: More
Reagan: More
Bush, Sr.: More
Clinton: More
Bush, Jr.: More
Trump: A lot Less
At least he's got Trump beat.
To say he was more prepared and had greater experience than the others is ridiculous. You should be banned from this thread.
I will say that he did out punt his coverage and became an average to above average President.

I’m assuming you’re responding to Flagpole. I never said Obama was very qualified. Winning the presidency or even being a good president is rarely about experience.

IMO, being a governor is better experience for a future president than any Congressional experience. VP trumps both.

That being said this is my ranking of presidents with the most prior/better experience:

1. HW Bush: 2 term VP, DCI, US House Rep TX

2. Nixon: 2 term VP, 1 term US Senate, 1 term US House from CA, failed presidential bid in ‘60

3. LBJ: 1 term VP, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader.

4. Clinton: 2 terms Governor AR. AG of AR

5. GW Bush: 1 term Governor of TX

6. Reagan: 1 term Governor of CA, failed 76 bid against incumbent Ford

7. Ford: House Minority Leader. Can’t count VP time due to circumstances which he was selected (Agnew resigned)

8. JFK: 6yrs US House, 2 term Senate from MA

9. Obama: 1 term US Senate, IL

10. Trump: nada

Maybe having lots of experience isn’t the best idea? Nixon may rival HW Bush with applicable experience. Neither lasted 8 yrs. Meanwhile 1 term Governors Reagan and Bush lasted 8. 2 term Governor Clinton never got more than 50% of the vote.

Hmmmm....makes me rethink a Biden Presidency...

Alan

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:51am EST

re: buggy

The entire argument of "experience" is relatively subjective and in the case of the 2016 election doesn't even matter. The most experienced candidate doesn't always win. Your other argument draws an irrelevant line as accepting a list starting with LBJ while rejecting a hypothetical list that would have started 5 years earlier with JFK. Would you like to continue or do you think you're pretty much done?

buggy wrote:
so, you're saying that you have to go back nearly 50 years before you find someone less ready to be president? ok. and winning two terms has nothing to do with be prepared to be president. that's an idiotic statement.
Racket wrote:
My favorite part about this list is that :
a) It conveniently starts right after JFK
b) The argument was in regards to Obama as just a "community organizer", which he clearly was much more. Whether he was "qualified" to be president is more or less subjective but seeing as how he won two terms I'll go with yes

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:52am EST

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
Texas Pete wrote:
No.
Obama had much less experience than GWB.
Well, that is a powerful argument. Gee, I'm convinced.

Educate yourself on the topic and get back to me. Perhaps then we can discuss this then. Your previous statement demonstrates you are quite ignorant on the subject.

I look forward to hearing back from you once you are able to put forth an articulate discussion.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:56am EST

re: Texas Pete

Texas Pete wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Well, that is a powerful argument. Gee, I'm convinced.
Educate yourself on the topic and get back to me. Perhaps then we can discuss this then. Your previous statement demonstrates you are quite ignorant on the subject.
I look forward to hearing back from you once you are able to put forth an articulate discussion.

Seeing as you have nothing to add to the discussion, I'll assume you don't know squat and you are just wasting my time.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:56am EST

re: Racket

Racket wrote:
The entire argument of "experience" is relatively subjective and in the case of the 2016 election doesn't even matter. The most experienced candidate doesn't always win.
Your other argument draws an irrelevant line as accepting a list starting with LBJ while rejecting a hypothetical list that would have started 5 years earlier with JFK.
Would you like to continue or do you think you're pretty much done?
buggy wrote:
so, you're saying that you have to go back nearly 50 years before you find someone less ready to be president? ok. and winning two terms has nothing to do with be prepared to be president. that's an idiotic statement.

Funny how the guy doesn't even argue the fact that the eight presidents preceding Obama were more experienced. He's hung up on #9.

You go dude. lol

6 years ago 01/28/2019 10:58am EST

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
Texas Pete wrote:
Educate yourself on the topic and get back to me. Perhaps then we can discuss this then. Your previous statement demonstrates you are quite ignorant on the subject.
I look forward to hearing back from you once you are able to put forth an articulate discussion.
Seeing as you have nothing to add to the discussion, I'll assume you don't know squat and you are just wasting my time.

I gave you an opportunity to come back after you did a little research.

Stay ignorant then.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 11:00am EST

re: Corrector, The

Corrector, The wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) BS. They are reporting the news. Historic because she is a black woman.
2) You are ignorant about Obama's background. That he was a community organizer is as important as the fact he likely finger painted in kindergarten. This was something the right kept referring to him as in order to diminish him. Shame you fell for it.
Summary of his education and experience:
* BA in Political Science with a focus on International Relations AND English from Columbia University.
* Worked as a financial researcher and writer after his BA
* 2 years after getting his BA, he worked as a "community organizer". So, he was 24 years old when he began that job.
* JD from Harvard Law School including stint as President of the Harvard Law Review.
* Taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago Law school FOR 12 YEARS.
* Director of Project Vote, a voter registration campaign.
* Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.
* Served on some boards of directors including one where he was the founding president and chairman.
* Illinois State Senator for 7 YEARS.
* US Senator for 4 YEARS. While a US Senator, he was on these committees: Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
* While a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.
His educational background and work as a lawyer including expertise in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and then time as a State Senator and then US Senator greatly prepared him to be the President. To categorize him as a "community organizer" is bogus and crap.
Sounds like the above would make great qualifications for a legislative position. A POTUS? Not so much.
You're wrong. I have to agree with the other poster.

Really? Please share your ideal criteria then.

Surely it isn’t having had no political experience, dodging the draft, going through multiple scandalous bankruptcies, having dealt with shady monsters and investors for decades, having received a multi-million dollar annual allowance from daddy through your 50s, and being a chronic liar.

6 years ago 01/28/2019 11:05am EST

re: Runningart2004

Runningart2004 wrote:
Maybe having lots of experience isn’t the best idea?

No sh!t. It's a popularity contest. Who would you rather sit down and have a beer with?

Pretty easy formula for that past 20 or so years : the candidate who promises to run up the national deficit the most, for better or worse, will win.

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