Putin will find out who you are, report directly to the FBI.
Putin will find out who you are, report directly to the FBI.
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-votedGreat job Fox News. This is the greatest threat to our democracy, not Russia.
But Obama laughed at Romney when he said Russia was.
Thanks to Obamacare taking his eye off the ball we are in this mess.
Flagpole wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
It has nothing to do with being an idiot. People like money and promotions. The military favors Trump more than most segments of the population. We tend to be mostly male and mostly armed. We tend to side with the GOP in most things. If I were to vote strictly with my pocketbook I would surely side with the GOP but that will never happen so long as they continue to attempt to legislate morality and choice.
Give me a pro military, pro gun, pro choice, fiscal conservative, pro government programs candidate. Does that even exist?
Alan
The shutdown was 100% Trump's fault. He took ownership. We had 100% bipartisan agreement before he shut it down. Only an idiot would believe he was niot to blame.
Ted L. of California fits your mold, but he was born in Taiwan and can't be president. Sherrod Brown is mostly what you list...depending on your definition of "pro gun". Can a pro gun person want any gun restrictions?
Of course. I’m mostly gray on the topic. Get rid of gun shows or regulate them much better.
I’m ok with AR15s and similar weapons, just limit magazine capacity.
Make the initial process to own any gun longer. Require safety training. Improve the background check.
Have as many guns as you want.
Require registration/certification every 5 yrs.
Only issue is that it will take YEARS if not DECADES for any restrictions to really take hold with all of the high capacity mags on the market and many people having guns who really lack training or have mental issues.
Alan
Flagpole wrote:
donut girl wrote:
It's ok flagpole, can i offer you a donut?
That would get in the way of turning my current 4 pack into a 6 pack, so no.
Bad narcissist, no donut.
Obummer wrote:
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-votedGreat job Fox News. This is the greatest threat to our democracy, not Russia.
But Obama laughed at Romney when he said Russia was.
Thanks to Obamacare taking his eye off the ball we are in this mess.
Yep. Romney was right. Obama was wrong...further evidence that I give credit and blame where it is due...ALWAYS.
1100 wrote:
"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign" -- Hope Hicks, 11/11/16
Um....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-trump-and-associates-had-more-than-100-contacts-with-russians-wikileaks-before-inauguration/ar-BBSLvDK?li=BBnbcA1ROFL!!!! LOL!!!! LOL!!!!!
...but we all know these revelations change nothing. Trumpers gonna Trump!
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-votedGreat job Fox News. This is the greatest threat to our democracy, not Russia.
Just wondering if you bothered to educate yourself on this. The methodology used to determine the 95,000 "non-citizens" registered and 58,000 "non-citizen" voters is a bit suspect.
Cliff Notes version:
They checked voter records against driver's license records. If someone used non-citizen documents to apply for a driver's license they are being tagged as non-citizens in voter registration records. The problem, of course, is that individuals who are Texas residents but not US citizens at the time of their application for a driver's license can and do change their citizenship status. Further, there is no requirement and no reason at all to notify the department of motor vehicles about said change. Therefore, there are LOTS of US citizens who used non-citizen documents to apply for their driver's license.
To provide some idea about the magnitude of the problem with this "study", about 50,000 Texas residents become naturalized citizens each year. Over the period of the study (1996 - 2016?) that would be about 1,000,000 Texas residents who have become naturalized US citizens. With this, it is actually surprising that they found only 95,000 discrepancies between driver's license records and voter citizenship status.
In terms of verified instances of non-citizens registering to vote the numbers are slightly different than the 95,000. 97 people in total were prosecuted for voter fraud (of all kinds) during the 13 year period ending in 2017. That is an average of 7 - 8 cases per year. It is not clear how many of those 7 per year were related to non-citizenship status but it seems likely that it is somewhat less than 95,000. ;-)
Flagpole wrote:
That would get in the way of turning my current 4 pack into a 6 pack, so no.
Creepy old guy, eh?
Reality: flagpole (on the right) looks good chilling with his buddys!
https://thewondrous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/funny-pictures-of-fat-people.jpgMueller is coming.
The clown is done.
flag planted in a-hole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
That would get in the way of turning my current 4 pack into a 6 pack, so no.
Creepy old guy, eh?
Reality: flagpole (on the right) looks good chilling with his buddys!
https://thewondrous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/funny-pictures-of-fat-people.jpgMueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wishes he had that much hair, but he is very, very bald.
47020
Definitely My Real Name wrote:
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-votedGreat job Fox News. This is the greatest threat to our democracy, not Russia.
Just wondering if you bothered to educate yourself on this. The methodology used to determine the 95,000 "non-citizens" registered and 58,000 "non-citizen" voters is a bit suspect.
Cliff Notes version:
They checked voter records against driver's license records. If someone used non-citizen documents to apply for a driver's license they are being tagged as non-citizens in voter registration records. The problem, of course, is that individuals who are Texas residents but not US citizens at the time of their application for a driver's license can and do change their citizenship status. Further, there is no requirement and no reason at all to notify the department of motor vehicles about said change. Therefore, there are LOTS of US citizens who used non-citizen documents to apply for their driver's license.
To provide some idea about the magnitude of the problem with this "study", about 50,000 Texas residents become naturalized citizens each year. Over the period of the study (1996 - 2016?) that would be about 1,000,000 Texas residents who have become naturalized US citizens. With this, it is actually surprising that they found only 95,000 discrepancies between driver's license records and voter citizenship status.
In terms of verified instances of non-citizens registering to vote the numbers are slightly different than the 95,000. 97 people in total were prosecuted for voter fraud (of all kinds) during the 13 year period ending in 2017. That is an average of 7 - 8 cases per year. It is not clear how many of those 7 per year were related to non-citizenship status but it seems likely that it is somewhat less than 95,000. ;-)
Wait, so you mean that Lying Gary (oh, I mean "Thisthreadisridiculous") posted something that was wildly misleading? And that his absurdly misleading link was from FOX and friends?
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
Facts&Reality have a liberal bias!!!! wrote:
1100 wrote:
"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign" -- Hope Hicks, 11/11/16
Um....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-trump-and-associates-had-more-than-100-contacts-with-russians-wikileaks-before-inauguration/ar-BBSLvDK?li=BBnbcA1ROFL!!!! LOL!!!! LOL!!!!!
...but we all know these revelations change nothing. Trumpers gonna Trump!
It is pretty amazing to look at statements Trump, his associates, and campaign officials made in 2016 and early 2017 versus what we know happened now. But, as you stated, these facts are unlikely to change how Trumps mouthbreathing base views this situation.
Quality posters only wrote:
Who you got, the bikers or the liberal whiners? I'm thinking the bikers in a landslide.
Sorry, but it's always hilarious when I haven't been here for a long time and upon return it defaults to top of page one of this thread. I am greeted by a right winger who actually thinks he knows something. Always absolutely priceless.
Never prevent a conservative from sounding like a conservative
Wait, wait, what?!? wrote:
Definitely My Real Name wrote:
Just wondering if you bothered to educate yourself on this. The methodology used to determine the 95,000 "non-citizens" registered and 58,000 "non-citizen" voters is a bit suspect.
Cliff Notes version:
They checked voter records against driver's license records. If someone used non-citizen documents to apply for a driver's license they are being tagged as non-citizens in voter registration records. The problem, of course, is that individuals who are Texas residents but not US citizens at the time of their application for a driver's license can and do change their citizenship status. Further, there is no requirement and no reason at all to notify the department of motor vehicles about said change. Therefore, there are LOTS of US citizens who used non-citizen documents to apply for their driver's license.
To provide some idea about the magnitude of the problem with this "study", about 50,000 Texas residents become naturalized citizens each year. Over the period of the study (1996 - 2016?) that would be about 1,000,000 Texas residents who have become naturalized US citizens. With this, it is actually surprising that they found only 95,000 discrepancies between driver's license records and voter citizenship status.
In terms of verified instances of non-citizens registering to vote the numbers are slightly different than the 95,000. 97 people in total were prosecuted for voter fraud (of all kinds) during the 13 year period ending in 2017. That is an average of 7 - 8 cases per year. It is not clear how many of those 7 per year were related to non-citizenship status but it seems likely that it is somewhat less than 95,000. ;-)
Wait, so you mean that Lying Gary (oh, I mean "Thisthreadisridiculous") posted something that was wildly misleading? And that his absurdly misleading link was from FOX and friends?
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
It's almost like it is Trump himself who is making all these posts - so easily checked that they are lies or at best wildly misleading. Do these guys count on nobody bothering to check? Do they not understand anything? Do they just post whatever comes into their "minds" (ala Trump and his tweets) without taking even one second for reflection on what it is that they are posting?
Weird sh!t for sure.
Yeah, and as usual trump pronounces the shutdown over, but paychecks & economic security may take awhile. He’s made millions of enemies & everyone is counting those votes, even his own party.
Flagpole wrote:
Obummer wrote:
But Obama laughed at Romney when he said Russia was.
Thanks to Obamacare taking his eye off the ball we are in this mess.
Yep. Romney was right. Obama was wrong...further evidence that I give credit and blame where it is due...ALWAYS.
Agreed - and I think Romney should run and can score huge on this issue. I would vote for him, depending on the weakness of the Dem bench.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Just postin’ wrote:
I hear you, brother. The next few weeks will be fascinating for political junkies and simultaneously terrifying for anyone who loves America.
Our politicians need to really get away from using shutdowns as political leverage. This is bad for the country regardless of party affiliation.
My guess is there will be numerous proposals re: border security—including proposals with MORE than 5.7 billion for border security that the Dems will support. The problem is going to be 1) Dems will insist that this funding NOT go to construction of a wall 2) they will likely ask for something like a PERMANENT DACA fix.
My guess is that if there is a 5-10 billion dollar package for border security and reasonable demands for a DACA fix by Dems that many GOP Senators will want to support such legislation. Trump may not though. I do think it is possible that there is a second shutdown.
If the Dems can come across as being reasonable and if they agree to a border security package of > 5.7 billion (but no wall money) AND Trump still plays hardball leading to a shutdown—Trump will suffer politically from such a scenario much more than the Dems.
There is now no chance for any wall funding, even in parts where it makes sense and in ways Dems have approved of before, while Trump is in office. That’s the result of Trump changing his mind about what a “Wall” is, from a huge concrete obstacle spanning the entire border to now fencing/barriers that have been approved by Congress and other administrations for decades.
“The Wall” is now a political tool. Dems have the public behind them on this and so the House will not give him his “Wall” while he is in office, maybe never. He will have to try executive order or declare a state of emergency, which will be challenged by the courts.
Alan
I wouldn’t say zero chance, because Trump might be stupid enough to give them the whole house to get his little wish - but extremely unlikely. He’d have to really officer something incredible. Politically he’s done, powers are quite limited now and his political capital is dried up. If GOP doesn’t start to publicly pivot away from him it will get dragged through the mud even more. I’ll assume they will continue to support him all the way though one of the ugliest defeats of an incumbent in history.
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-says-it-has-discovered-95000-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-votedGreat job Fox News. This is the greatest threat to our democracy, not Russia.
The article says 33 people were prosecuted for voter fraud last year.
How many of those 33 were among the 58,000? (Hint: the answer is close to zero.)
How many total cases of non-citizen voters have been prosecuted? (Hint: the answer is close to zero.)
So either the 58,000 number is pure bull or Texas law enforcement isn't doing its job. (Hint: It's the former.)
The millions who STILL have no pay are a bigger political problem.
