Your level of delusion is laughable.
Your level of delusion is laughable.
get your stories straight wrote:
I understand some people not wanting to dig into his personal life because it feels a bit invasive, but he is the one who has put this info out there. And I think it also lends some color to what's happening now. In my mind there are basically two ways to look at his accounts of his childhood:
A) You think it's entirely made up or grossly exaggerated. If this is you, it seems reasonable that you would question his current claims and record attempts given the lack of any proof.
B) If you think this his book is accurate or only slightly embellished (this is where I find myself) then you should absolutely be concerned about the potential psychological effects and his current mental state.
Others have suggested that he may be a bit naive in this whole endeavor and that his crew are the ones manipulating him. Though I think there was definite cheating in the beginning, I'm beginning to think that it was not planned from the start. Rather I think it may have been impulsive by his team and a reaction to the pressure to stay on track.
What some tend to forget is that Rob was actively manipulating Wikipedia pages back in 2012 (about his pro cycling career), before he even was Marathon Man.
And even back in 2004 he was claiming to be a world tri champion.
RYinvestigator wrote:
get your stories straight wrote:I understand some people not wanting to dig into his personal life because it feels a bit invasive, but he is the one who has put this info out there. And I think it also lends some color to what's happening now. In my mind there are basically two ways to look at his accounts of his childhood:
A) You think it's entirely made up or grossly exaggerated. If this is you, it seems reasonable that you would question his current claims and record attempts given the lack of any proof.
B) If you think this his book is accurate or only slightly embellished (this is where I find myself) then you should absolutely be concerned about the potential psychological effects and his current mental state.
Others have suggested that he may be a bit naive in this whole endeavor and that his crew are the ones manipulating him. Though I think there was definite cheating in the beginning, I'm beginning to think that it was not planned from the start. Rather I think it may have been impulsive by his team and a reaction to the pressure to stay on track.
What some tend to forget is that Rob was actively manipulating Wikipedia pages back in 2012 (about his pro cycling career), before he even was Marathon Man.
And even back in 2004 he was claiming to be a world tri champion.
Come on ASHER
Man up and admit your mistake
lardogbeck wrote:
Seems like there is a lot of confirmation bias on this thread. Even if you discount the security camera video, this thread is just rehashing the same data over and over again. Yeah, it seems likely the guy is cheating but I agree with some other posters that the LRC community looks like a bunch of petty haters at this point. You've put our your evidence, just wait until the show ends and they put out their evidence, and we'll see who's right.
Kind of like the people over at ultralist who hate on Karnazes.
CoachKev wrote:
If you lot are such sluths why don't you walk past the same gas station with a small hand torch in the early hours and see what happens with the recorded footage.
Asher you know it's all BS and you are the Vaz of America holding tightly onto a lie that you can't admit you fabricated as the fall out would be too big.
Do the right thing and admit you are a numpty.
As decent Brits we will forgive you and put it down to the Yankee desperation for attention.
We all feel sorry for you and this is your last chance to be a decent bloke. We know you are in the deep stuff and think you have to keep up the BS but your sorry story is unraveling so do the right thing and admit it was all set up.
Our man continues to defy you and will be the winner!
BTW we don't post BS about Ashers family although I'm sure we could if we could be bothered but we are too busy being nice and drinking tea
Been chasing their own tails and shooting each other since independence
EFG wrote:
I'm a friend of Rob Young's and I'd just like to tell you how disgusted I am at the way you are treating him! Get over yourselves, you criticise anyone who try's to push the boundaries of human endurance
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7388104#ixzz4Bm5yeJl7
Haha, very good.
Weird how the posters complaining about the posters denigrating/mentioning Rob's past don't realize they're just kicking the subject along and drawing more attention. Also, that this is the world wide web, they don't seem to get the "world wide" bit and the potential to get all sorts of comments from all sorts of people, FMD even Hitler got a mention yesterday. So lighten up fellas or take your crusade somewhere else, we'll decide what we want to read and take on board.
team1.kml beats horses wrote:
The day the RV broke down wrote:Hi, not sure if anyone saw it earlier today, but I posted the photoshop file for my graphic. If anyone would like to edit it to be more in line with current thinking, feel free - I'm a bit too busy at the moment.
http://www.filedropper.com/rvdayThanks. I tried and failed at improving it in gimp because I'm lousy at gimp. One of the main things I wanted to change is the base map (where did it come from?), which has points A and B... It would be great if Point A were at the end of the TomTom segment ending at 8:18 on the north-bearing stretch of Hwy 95. It's good to know where the RV was stuck, but I think Point A on Hwy 95 (8:19am) and Point B at the Riverside Casino (pool photo, 12:52). Then the focus becomes linking points A and B:
Elapsed time: 4:34
Distance claimed via FB Message: "about 36 miles"
Distance by Hwy*: 34.4 miles
Distance shown on truncated TomTom segment: 21.9 miles
Elapsed time shown on truncated TomTom segment: 3:42:16
Distance _NOT_ covered by TomTom segment: 12.5 miles
Elapsed time _NOT_ covered by TomTom segment: 1:02
Pace required to cover 12.5 miles in 1:02: 4:57 min/mile
Recognizing that 12:52 is the pool photo and that they played roulette beforehand ("The 3 of us went to the Casino and put $20 each on the roulette table before having a swim in the pool and taking a shower" from
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/05/21/day-3-5-a-pick-up-for-a-hiccup/), 12:52 is a conservative time. His arrival was probably closer to 12:30, taking 10-20 minutes off the elapsed time _NOT_ covered by the truncated TomTom segment. We are starting to get down into the ridiculous at this point, with respect to paces, and 4:57 pace is already very unbelievable.
* based on
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/35.1677885,-114.5725129/34.9817112,-114.8328095/@34.9633818,-114.9463587,10.68z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0
TomTom
This is the best logical, mathematical description of his cheating I've seen yet. But having perused this thread and the evidence jpgs, this raises two questions for me. Does the trajectory of the truncated tomtom section suggest he took the highway or the path through the desert? The path through the desert seems to be "more" realistic (albeit unlikely) than the extra mileage on the roads. But if he did go through the desert, then why is he saying he did 36 miles?
There's no point to even acknowledge this attempt.
The resources were readily and easily available for him to publicly document his attempt and progress from the very beginning. All he needed was a couple garmins to rotate out and and a quick upload to a free public strava account as he completed his runs.
The tracking methods he's using are overly complicated, not transparent, and do nothing to prove his attempt. The only reason your would chose a more complex and less transparent method over an easy and widely available method is because you aren't actually completing the attempt and need to control the data on your own terms to paint the picture that you actually are.
Haha.......................... wrote:
AREALPERSSON wrote:Haha! I'm a flouncer! You are probably right and I am back for another flounce, though just for a quick scan while my wife is not around!
"a quick scan while my wife is not around!"
Haha, says a lot about you Andy.
But then I guess this says a lot about you too.
lardogbeck wrote:
You've put our your evidence, just wait until the show ends and they put out their evidence, and we'll see who's right.
Mate, you don't seem to get it, they won't put out the evidence that this thread has been requesting from them since it started, they haven't yet done the simple thing that thousands of runners/hobby joggers do every day, so why would they when the show ends?
113 wrote:
you're a failure wrote:That's total crap. You're utterly clueless. Report the post and it's deleted quickly IF the mods think it's inappropriate. Exceptions are in the middle of the night. Mods are different and they don't delete exactly the same posts.
double ended dildo wrote:
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Yep, the system works.
Yes, it does. The post you didn't like is gone. Next time don't cite the offending post, just report it. That makes life easier for the moderators.
Now, as the oh-so-nice-person you are I expect that you apologize and that you thank me for teaching you forum basics.
you're a failure wrote:
113 wrote:Yep, the system works.
Yes, it does. The post you didn't like is gone. Next time don't cite the offending post, just report it. That makes life easier for the moderators.
Now, as the oh-so-nice-person you are I expect that you apologize and that you thank me for teaching you forum basics.
such a sensitive little soul
Never mind the bollocks. wrote:
lardogbeck wrote:You've put our your evidence, just wait until the show ends and they put out their evidence, and we'll see who's right.
Mate, you don't seem to get it, they won't put out the evidence that this thread has been requesting from them since it started, they haven't yet done the simple thing that thousands of runners/hobby joggers do every day, so why would they when the show ends?
Are you sure you get it? Do you think they would have had this level of interest if they had posted it all from the start?
Oh I've found myself back. Must be time for another flounce.
AREALPERSSON wrote:
Haha.......................... wrote:"a quick scan while my wife is not around!"
Haha, says a lot about you Andy.
But then I guess this says a lot about you too.
seems like someone's touched Andy's raw nerve
AREALPERSSON wrote:
Never mind the bollocks. wrote:Mate, you don't seem to get it, they won't put out the evidence that this thread has been requesting from them since it started, they haven't yet done the simple thing that thousands of runners/hobby joggers do every day, so why would they when the show ends?
Are you sure you get it? Do you think they would have had this level of interest if they had posted it all from the start?
Oh I've found myself back. Must be time for another flounce.
Right! They cheat just to pump up the interest.
Wondering in the Desert wrote:
This is the best logical, mathematical description of his cheating I've seen yet. But having perused this thread and the evidence jpgs, this raises two questions for me. Does the trajectory of the truncated tomtom section suggest he took the highway or the path through the desert? The path through the desert seems to be "more" realistic (albeit unlikely) than the extra mileage on the roads. But if he did go through the desert, then why is he saying he did 36 miles?
I and another had the same thought. The truncated TomTom segment doesn't show the thumbnail, but you can see from the other thumbnails that they seem to be centered, so if they have any significant north-south, that part of the segment should be visible above the Windows menu bar, but it isn't, which suggests it is an E-W oriented track.
If you back-track from the Riverside Casino exactly 21.9 miles, the track looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/NUYzODr.png.
In that graphic, the 21.9 mile track is red, the yellow track is the RV track for the day, and the green tracks are the previous TomTom track ending at 8:19am and the next two TomTom segments above the truncated entry, which start at 20:55 (All times Pacific).
There's no way they can produce a credible GPS track through the desert for 21.9 miles, even if they doctored it and wanted to disregard Rob's own claim to "about 36 miles". As the crow flies, you can follow 95 north, then beeline across the mountains in 22 miles from the 8:18am segment, but anybody with a brain can see that a straight line is not possible in that terrain. There is a road that follows that trajectory through the mountains but it is actually quite sinuous and would probably contribute to a 30 mile run with lots of vert.
you're a failure wrote:
Yes, it does. The post you didn't like is gone. Next time don't cite the offending post, just report it. That makes life easier for the moderators.
Now, as the oh-so-nice-person you are I expect that you apologize and that you thank me for teaching you forum basics.
I reported it right when it was posted. It stayed up for at least an hour on a heavily trafficked thread that has been looked at by several national media writers.
Go register for a Slowtwitch account and post the same link on a busy thread. See how long it stays up and what happens to your account and your IP address. Try the same thing on a gamethread tonight on one of the SBnation sites for the Warriors or Cavs. Try it on the r/running subreddit.
It's 2016. These issues have long since been sorted out by sites that make it a priority. It clearly isn't a priority here.
It is 4pm local time. I've been watching his progress on RY's website. The RV went past the Admiral gas station and now it is back. Are they done for the day? Seems like they had a very long day and I'm curious if they plan on having a 6pm start time again today. Would love to know if Laz or Ray have an update.
While it seams that he did cheat out west, there is no reason to beat a dead horse.
Relevant Update Please wrote:
there is no reason to beat a dead horse.
good to know you are against animal cruelty
True. Catering to sensitive snowflakes is not a priority here. The priority is straight talk.
Free speech rules. You may get it one day.
