Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Since so much of the above can be viewed as left wing propaganda there is no sense arguing. I do find these comments border an obsession to argue a political view, like Kavanaugh. I have a friend we invited to stay several days at our house. He constantly wanted to argue about politics and was like you adamant in his views. Rude to the point of telling us how we should think. He is still a friend just no longer invited as a house guest. Like our friend, you and Flagpole seem like nice people, just obnoxious in your approach to those with a differing political view. And it is your political view, Trump is just your current villain.

agip wrote:

the heck do you think raising the minimum wage, funding education, the ACA, funding infrastructure, helping with college loans or college for free, medicare for all, etc...what do you think those are for? That's for people without a lot of money.

Raising minimum wage adds burden to business owners, especially struggling small business owners. It also raises unemployment, since many employers will try to replace human workers with machinery. Well-intended, but misguided

policy.

ACA, likewise, places unfair burden on business owners. They also try to replace full time workers with part timers in order to avoid the employer mandate. So that's bad for workers as well. Medicare for all makes the whole health care industry less efficient because it removes competition.

Helping with college loans and free college is just subsidy for middle class kids who attend college at the expense of hard working people who never attend college.

Infrastructure spending could be good if it is not politically manipulated. President Trump is very eager to upgrade our infrastructure. Dems need to work with him on this issue, since they seem to agree with him at least on this issue. (By the way, building a border wall also creates massive construction demand, and jobs for American workers.)

I wouldn’t be so sure about people creating villains. I for one have never disliked a public figure so much as Trump, for so many reasons. Sure I thought Bush Jr was a moron, but generally respected most GOP candidates for either their principles or openness to working more with Dems. I would have voted for Romney in a heartbeat had he run in 2016. So you are simply wrong about these supposed villains. Trump is a horrendous excuse of a man and president, plain and simple. He has brought out (or in some trumpers’ words “triggered”) a lot of negative feelings in the masses, and for damn good reason. If you’re just going to take your side that no matter you are being attacked and told how to think then you are also not giving yourself a chance to be more objective. Do you not think people should be fired about Trump given his background and performance in the WH?

I think history will show that Trump v. America will not be a normal political difference of opinion. I think history will show that Trump was a unique character, who pretty much did everything he could to tear apart the nation and the postwar system of peace through trade and diplomacy. That he is a corrupt villain who put his own interests above those he swore to serve.

You think trump is just another politician.

We'll see. But in the meantime, when I see a guy as corrosive to America and the world as Trump, I'm not going to be quiet.

and Igy...this isn't your home. This is a political message board. This is the place to yell and shout about politics.

I dont' lecture people in person about politics - this board is my release valve.

Fatty R. Belt Buckle wrote:

agip wrote:

hey help a guy out - I can't find a single error in that post. Do tell.

Seriously? "has proved" is not correct. "Hand-in-hand" is a compound adjective and should be hyphenated. I could go on but too lazy.

on go please grammar on message board most important thing is

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

You seem similarly obsessed with defending him, so unless you’re going to stop posting here what’s your point?

No, I post more about how deluded you guys are. Besides my one post to your 20. People like you are the problem, the other side has it as well. All Blue Team vs Red Team crap. I find it an interesting character flaw.

I'm not picking sides here but I don't believe you are not being honest with yourself.

You do defend Trump and the GOP often and never defend the anti-Trump point of view.

Additionally, I have read posts where you agree with Rigged and/other people on the "Trump" team, even pat them on the back for a post. You may post less than others but if they are part of the problem because they pick teams you are right there with them just on the 'other' team.

I do agree with you though, there needs to be less team picking... hopefully someone figures out how to make that happen.

All that said, sometimes you seem to post rational ideas and other times ....??? My best guess is that you have something to do with this site and you do go all irrational to get people like me to post ... so, good job, I guess...

If I could psychoanalyze Igy for a second.

it's true that Igy complains about anti-trumpers but won't admit he is pro-trump. What's that about?

Igy is a contrarian. He feels a need to push against the conventional wisdom. He has been very bearish about the stock market for years and years. Why? There are good reasons, but they don't really matter - I think he gets a psychic boost from being apart from the crowd.

A bit of the same goes for his feelings about trump. When so many people are anti-trump, just as so many people are bullish about the stock market, he gets his back up and pushes the other way. Why?

Some of us instinctively push against the conventional wisdom and get a mental boost from it. He probably wouldnt' say that he is a stock market bear, just as he wont' say he is pro-trump. He is more...anti-crowdwisdom.

Is that fair, Igy?

Monkeys typing wrote:

agip wrote:

when this is all over it will suddenly become very, very hard to find anyone who admits to voting for and supporting Trump. A lot of memories will go haywire.

In my area (reddish region of a blue state) there are still a lot of Trump/Pence campaign signs up. The unwavering support of Trump among the hardcore base is like nothing else in my experience. To be fair the opposition is pretty fired up as well.

It is a myth that there is "unwavering support" for Trump. His approval has fallen much recently, and you can find a ton of interviews out there of people who voted for Trump who now feel betrayed.

Michael Cohen once said he would take a bullet for Trump. Trump eventually finds a way to screw anyone who likes or supports him...sometimes it is literally like with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, and sometimes it is figuratively.

That screwing will eventually hit all Trumpers, because eventually everyone feels the wrath of someone who ONLY cares about himself.

Right now those who are still Trumpers are just stupid. Soon they will be stupid and screwed. Eventually they will come around and realize they have been screwed, but it's too late now to rid themselves of the stupid moniker...well past too late.

The only thing a Trumper can say ultimately is, "I AM a stupid person, but I hope I never made a stupid decision like that again." Usually a person can just admit to behaving in a stupid manner, but we are past that.

It is stupid, ridiculous, and shameful at a minimum for anyone to continue to support him.

Flagpole wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

In my area (reddish region of a blue state) there are still a lot of Trump/Pence campaign signs up. The unwavering support of Trump among the hardcore base is like nothing else in my experience. To be fair the opposition is pretty fired up as well.

It is a myth that there is "unwavering support" for Trump. His approval has fallen much recently, and you can find a ton of interviews out there of people who voted for Trump who now feel betrayed.

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yeah but you know and I know that the dems will make transgender bathrooms or something like that a key plank of their platform, and that will drive moderates to trump. The dems have a unique ability to shoot themselves in their feet on wedge issues. These Rs may 50% disapprove of trump, but they will still vote for him because they 100% disapprove of liberal crazy.

1. Trump is blinking very quickly

2. Sanders doesn't care enough to spell correctly the name of trump's big ally in the senate.

incompetents.

"Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator Chuck Schumer are meeting now to see whether or not they can work out of the deadlock. As was made clear to Senator Lindsay [sic] Graham, the 3 week CR would only work if there is a large down payment on the wall," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement.

I disagree with just about everything you say, but I will agree with you that blue collar workers were forgotten prior to the 2016 election. AND, I will take it further...it wasn't just the "establishment" as you say. It was most specifically Democrats who did the forgetting as it has long been Democrats who supported the values and lives of blue collar Americans. I have said this before, and it is evidence that I don't just defend Democrats without fail. Bernie Sanders was a big part of this problem. He THINKS he stands for the little guy, but his idea of free college actually is a slap to the face of the millions of Americans who don't want to go to college or don't have the ability to go to college and is evidence is aforementioned elitism. This disconnect, this inability to "read the room", is part of the reason Trump won in 2016. Trump was the beneficiary of a perfect storm...a bad Democrat candidate, an ever elitist Democrat Party that was leaving the blue collar people in the rear view mirror, a populist message from Trump during a change election year, and effective cheating from Russia and coordination from the Trump campaign and cheating from the Trump campaign; all that together led to The Orange One as president.

You remain wrong about Reagan and what will be Trump's legacy. Reagan is remembered also for losing his mental faculties in his last term to the point Nancy often stood by him and helped him on what to say, sleeping through important meetings, Jelly Bellies, and being the king of spending as it relates to the GDP.

Donald Trump will be remembered as the most corrupt President ever. Any accomplishments that far-right supporters think he has had will not be remembered at all. Nixon at least had China. Trump has nothing like that. Trump will be remembered as the one who destroyed the Republican Party as it was. Mostly though it will be the criminality, the serial lying, the betrayal of his country.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Since so much of the above can be viewed as left wing propaganda there is no sense arguing.

To reiterate - in your world anything that has a bearing on reality is left wing propaganda while fox news opinion pieces that rightfully cannot call themselves news or facts are the only source of factual information.

I'm waving to you from planet earth and reality while you're sailing off into the realms of lunacy.

agip wrote:

and Igy...this isn't your home. This is a political message board. This is the place to yell and shout about politics.

I dont' lecture people in person about politics - this board is my release valve.

agip,

OK, understood and you are always welcome in my home.

Igy

This. It’s not the 1950s anymore. It’s a global economy and technology is important. The forgotten man is unemployable.

Alan

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

agip wrote:

and Igy...this isn't your home. This is a political message board. This is the place to yell and shout about politics.

I dont' lecture people in person about politics - this board is my release valve.

agip,

OK, understood and you are always welcome in my home.

Igy

Sure thing agip. As they crawl over the wall, you're okay with it...as long as they don't go to your neighborhood. Typical Hypocrite Liberal. You're all for it...until it gets close to you.

agip wrote:

1. Trump is blinking very quickly

2. Sanders doesn't care enough to spell correctly the name of trump's big ally in the senate.

incompetents.

"Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator Chuck Schumer are meeting now to see whether or not they can work out of the deadlock. As was made clear to Senator Lindsay [sic] Graham, the 3 week CR would only work if there is a large down payment on the wall," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement.

Yeah, Tiny blew up another deal.

I told everyone last week that he has no intention of reopening the government. He's going to play this out until our nation is in utter chaos, which is what he is after.

This becomes more clear every day.

Flagpole wrote:

FTR wrote:

Your record states otherwise.

INCORRECT! I have consistently ripped on Democrats when they deserve it and praised Republicans when they deserve it...as I spelled out in the post you conveniently removed that part from.

All Americans should be against Trump at this point. He's a serial liar and a criminal. Shame on you for defending him.

I have never defended Trump. The burden of proof is on you to prove I did. If you can’t, you are a liar.

You’re a liar as well as a partisan sheep.

agip>>>just not in my backyard wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

agip,

OK, understood and you are always welcome in my home.

Igy

Sure thing agip. As they crawl over the wall, you're okay with it...as long as they don't go to your neighborhood. Typical Hypocrite Liberal. You're all for it...until it gets close to you.

r/

uh, if they can climb over a wall why do you want a 200 mile, $100 billion wall anyway?

but to your point, I live in one of the highest concentrations of immigrants, legal and illegal, in the country. I'm great with that. My city is thriving, partly because of them. Neighborhoods are regenerated, shops open, people take mass transit. It's all good, man.