foo wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
It will be interesting how it plays out. Pelosi versus Trump. That is the story now. Not the Wall and not the Shutdown.
Actually it’s Trump versus the American people. That’s what it has been for his complete time in office. The only difference now is that more people are realizing it.
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
foo wrote:
Actually it’s Trump versus the American people. That’s what it has been for his complete time in office. The only difference now is that more people are realizing it.
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
Nancy is not very popular but she does beat Tiny in every poll I've seen.
I wonder if there actually are any politicians that poll worse than Tiny.
OK, let’s see how it plays out. Perhaps not the way you think. Hillary was suppose to win you know.
I just wish we had adults in Congress and the WH.
People like Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer epitomize what is wrong with American politics.
Just grow up and quit acting like spoiled little kids.
Flagpole, Rigged, agip, and your buddies, you guys just keep “cheering” for your sides while the country goes to hell. You also are part of the problem. Try being part of the solution for once.
Bill
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
foo wrote:
Actually it’s Trump versus the American people. That’s what it has been for his complete time in office. The only difference now is that more people are realizing it.
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
There is no chess game being played here. He’s in a no-win situation. He’s pushing for something the American public don’t want. And his only leverage is shutting down the government which the American public don’t want. If he caves, his hard core supporters will abandon him. His only way out is to create an even bigger disruption, which is his normal modus operandi. I don’t think that’s going to work this time. Please enumerate his options.
Fat hurts wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
Nancy is not very popular but she does beat Tiny in every poll I've seen.
I wonder if there actually are any politicians that poll worse than Tiny.
Found one. According to RCP, Mitch has a -23 spread.
Fat hurts wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
Nancy is not very popular but she does beat Tiny in every poll I've seen.
I wonder if there actually are any politicians that poll worse than Tiny.
Perfect example of some idiot who is part of the problem.
He sees polls as scoreboards. “Look! More people like more guy than like your guy. My guy is winning.”
Pathetic.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
It will be interesting how it plays out. Pelosi versus Trump. That is the story now. Not the Wall and not the Shutdown.
Agreed.
Indi Voter wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Nancy is not very popular but she does beat Tiny in every poll I've seen.
I wonder if there actually are any politicians that poll worse than Tiny.
Perfect example of some idiot who is part of the problem.
He sees polls as scoreboards. “Look! More people like more guy than like your guy. My guy is winning.”
Pathetic.
Fat Hurts, like Flagpole, are biased to a sick level.
foo wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
No, that is your view of course. There several politicians that come to mind that are more unpopular than Trump, Pelosi may be one. It will be interesting to watch the chess game.
There is no chess game being played here. He’s in a no-win situation. He’s pushing for something the American public don’t want. And his only leverage is shutting down the government which the American public don’t want. If he caves, his hard core supporters will abandon him. His only way out is to create an even bigger disruption, which is his normal modus operandi. I don’t think that’s going to work this time. Please enumerate his options.
His options are your incorrect interpretation of events.
PIO!! wrote:
Indi Voter wrote:
Perfect example of some idiot who is part of the problem.
He sees polls as scoreboards. “Look! More people like more guy than like your guy. My guy is winning.”
Pathetic.
Fat Hurts, like Flagpole, are biased to a sick level.
i think it’s kinda funny. You can tell they watch a segment on msnbc and then immediately post what they say over as their own opinions. It’s ridiculous. Neigher has an original thought.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
foo wrote:
There is no chess game being played here. He’s in a no-win situation. He’s pushing for something the American public don’t want. And his only leverage is shutting down the government which the American public don’t want. If he caves, his hard core supporters will abandon him. His only way out is to create an even bigger disruption, which is his normal modus operandi. I don’t think that’s going to work this time. Please enumerate his options.
His options are your incorrect interpretation of events.
How do you see this playing out?
And they are the first to label you a Trumper if you disagree with their view. Of course you are stupid or un-American if your view of the world differs from theirs. I find it interesting how truly intolerant they are, yet claim that to be the behavior of the other side. Seems a psychological impairment of sorts. Definitely an obsession.
foo wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
His options are your incorrect interpretation of events.
How do you see this playing out?
A battle of wills between Trump and Pelosi.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
foo wrote:
How do you see this playing out?
A battle of wills between Trump and Pelosi.
So, either one or the other completely caves in. That is 2 possible outcomes. Do you believe that there is some compromise that both sides would agree to?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And they are the first to label you a Trumper if you disagree with their view. Of course you are stupid or un-American if your view of the world differs from theirs. I find it interesting how truly intolerant they are, yet claim that to be the behavior of the other side. Seems a psychological impairment of sorts. Definitely an obsession.
Rhetorical question for you:
How do you describe someone who holds the American government and people hostage over a policy that noone but a minority of his supporters wants?
What is the correct term for someone who takes Americans as hostages?
The answer is terrorists.
How do you negotiate with terrorists?
You don't . And that's why this shutdown is emblematic of what the GOP has become and why noone in their right mind as American should support this.
Sure. That is what they should be doing. Unfortunately our government avoids dealing with real problems and continues this charade. If we were a reasonable people we would address the endless wars, military spending, balance the budget, cut wastefull agency spending, and slash the unnatural growth of government entitlements. But we won’t, until we cascade to the end point of reason.
The truth hurts wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And they are the first to label you a Trumper if you disagree with their view. Of course you are stupid or un-American if your view of the world differs from theirs. I find it interesting how truly intolerant they are, yet claim that to be the behavior of the other side. Seems a psychological impairment of sorts. Definitely an obsession.
Rhetorical question for you:
How do you describe someone who holds the American government and people hostage over a policy that noone but a minority of his supporters wants?
What is the correct term for someone who takes Americans as hostages?
The answer is terrorists.
How do you negotiate with terrorists?
You don't . And that's why this shutdown is emblematic of what the GOP has become and why noone in their right mind as American should support this.
Some people would consider your extreme view it’s own terrorism.
Battle of midgets:
“According to a new CBS poll, Pelosi is more popular than.....Trump......... When asked about her job performance, respondents gave Pelosi a 39 percent approval, with 50 percent disapproving. Trump received only a 36 percent approval and 59 percent disapproval.”
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
The truth hurts wrote:
Rhetorical question for you:
How do you describe someone who holds the American government and people hostage over a policy that noone but a minority of his supporters wants?
What is the correct term for someone who takes Americans as hostages?
The answer is terrorists.
How do you negotiate with terrorists?
You don't . And that's why this shutdown is emblematic of what the GOP has become and why noone in their right mind as American should support this.
Some people would consider your extreme view it’s own terrorism.
And some people consider the moon to be made of cheese. That doesn't make me wrong, it just implies they're stupid.