huh just huh wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
tldr; It sounds like he summited both times but was sloppy in his time estimates.
The first time Jornet summited. The second time, Jornet's claim of having summited is highly disputed for the reasons indicated in the report.
I also want to clarify that the evidence indicates more than just Jornet being "sloppy" with his time claims since he made contradictory statements to the Himalayan Database and he had his 2 AM start time for his second Everest removed from his websites.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
The full report is at the link below. Inside the report, you will find the links/screenshots to all the evidence (including the original GoPro videos with the GPS data extracted). Feel free to share this link as it is intended to be public:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1izzOsKWGdw_vim9-zSpR5QMMw9mOz-Ex
Interesting. Any response from the Kilian camp on this?
Live to run wrote:
Interesting. Any response from the Kilian camp on this?
That's not something I will be pursuing since I don't expect to get a response after what I have detailed in my report. I will leave further questioning to others and journalists.
So pretty much there is no claim he made which is 100% true (not tainted by a false claim). For example, he did make it to the summit on the 22nd but he lied about when he made it to the summit. And then the rest of the claims he has made with regard to Everest he can't prove and in some cases it can be show he was not telling the truth. And we also learned that Suunto is not the best choice for a GPS watch.
The weird thing is how totally unnecessary it all was. None of his die hard fans care. Really makes you wonder why he did?
Would any of it meant less money for his sponsors etc.? Was there that kind of pressure? All very strange.
Interesting stuff, thanks for all your hard work. That's a lot of hours you put in.
Scam_Watcheroo
----- You used a, very old, report of Dan Howitt in your report.
Current one is above & here. It's very different.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ste0p1l24dq8uKEjedwKGXgZ0GP7VCOP/view
----- Your statement here is false.
"Shortly afterwards, Jornet's claims began to be scrutinized by investigators and journalists."
False.
Jornet's claims were not questioned, by anyone, anywhere, from May 2017 until August 2017, when Howitt finished his report and began sending it to Everest chroniclers and historians and media. England Everest historian Collin Wallace's publication of Howitt's early report in November was the first, and only, thing that questioned Kilian in any way. There were no websites/blog/facebook/twitter/forum discussions criticizing Kilian in any way, until Howitt.
---- There is a reason Jornet and his sponsor did not use any of his high-altitude GOPRO video. It shows nothing, establishes nothing, and of the portion Howitt found for his 2ND climb it shows he lied about, not, using fixed ropes. Jornet has experts analyzing all of his electronics and they didn't use his GOPRO video because it shows nothing. You fail to understand the GOPRO video you were sent was sent After Howitt began his investigation and is corrupted/tainted as a way to cover-up the lies Howitt proves. Kilian's GOPRO video is fraudulent and was sent to you as damage-control and an attempt to save him from what Howitt proves.
----- You fail to understand Kilian told Howitt and many media he has, no, video at the summit for either 1st or 2nd summit claims.
------ Howitt reported Kilian never sent him a pdf file.
re wrote:
Scam_Watcheroo
----- You used a, very old, report of Dan Howitt in your report.
Current one is above & here. It's very different.
I used the same Howitt report that the Athletics Illustrated linked to for the Howitt interview. It does not materially change what is in my report with Howitt's updated report because my main use of it was to establish that Jornet created his PDF statement in response to the Howitt investigation with a changed Summit #1 ascent duration.
re wrote:
"Shortly afterwards, Jornet's claims began to be scrutinized by investigators and journalists."
False.
Jornet's claims were not questioned, by anyone, anywhere, from May 2017 until August 2017, when Howitt finished his report and began sending it to Everest chroniclers and historians and media. England Everest historian Collin Wallace's publication of Howitt's early report in November was the first, and only, thing that questioned Kilian in any way. There were no websites/blog/facebook/twitter/forum discussions criticizing Kilian in any way, until Howitt.
Actually, one of my sources indicated to me that the Liberation news site was the first to scrutinize Jornet's Everest claims. Article dated May 31, 2017:
http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2017/05/31/kilian-jornet-a-t-il-vraiment-reussi-un-exploit-sur-l-everest_1573552re wrote:
---- There is a reason Jornet and his sponsor did not use any of his high-altitude GOPRO video. It shows nothing, establishes nothing, and of the portion Howitt found for his 2ND climb it shows he lied about, not, using fixed ropes. Jornet has experts analyzing all of his electronics and they didn't use his GOPRO video because it shows nothing. You fail to understand the GOPRO video you were sent was sent After Howitt began his investigation and is corrupted/tainted as a way to cover-up the lies Howitt proves. Kilian's GOPRO video is fraudulent and was sent to you as damage-control and an attempt to save him from what Howitt proves.
----- You fail to understand Kilian told Howitt and many media he has, no, video at the summit for either 1st or 2nd summit claims.
From my analysis of the GoPro videos I listed in my report, I believe they are genuine and have not been altered after they were taken. Especially with the GoPro GPS data stored in the GPMF format, where there is no commonly available tool (yet) that edits that data outside of recording it again with a GoPro.
re wrote:
------ Howitt reported Kilian never sent him a pdf file.
Lymbus told me they sent a copy of Jornet's PDF statement to Howitt in August 2017 but did not get a reply back.
I also want to add that I did not write anything about the issue of fixed ropes/ladders because that would have been a distraction for the report.
You jerk-offs are arguing over who called him out first and who did a better job of making the accusations and there's still no concrete evidence to support anything either of you have said.
I'm not saying that I believe Kilian, just that you're all jerk-offs.
everyone form a circle wrote:
You jerk-offs are arguing over who called him out first and who did a better job of making the accusations and there's still no concrete evidence to support anything either of you have said.
I'm not saying that I believe Kilian, just that you're all jerk-offs.
We must be reading different reports.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Concerning you don't publish his GOPRO video.
Concerning Kilian and sponsor Lymbus don't publish his GOPRO video and never have since May 2017.
Much of your report is about the GOPRO video. Yet you don't publish it. Neither does Kilian and Lymbus sponsor.
But anyway. The GOPRO video was sent to you, after, Howitt's case against him. Kilian, Lymbus had months to send it to Howitt. They didn't. They used 5 months to fabricate something as damage control. This is Another controversy. Post-fraud fraud.
Post-fraud fraud. "Sponsors and Kilian Jornet fabricate GOPRO video to respond to Howitt's case against them. Fraud + Fraud."
RE wrote:
Concerning you don't publish his GOPRO video.
Concerning Kilian and sponsor Lymbus don't publish his GOPRO video and never have since May 2017.
Much of your report is about the GOPRO video. Yet you don't publish it. Neither does Kilian and Lymbus sponsor.
???? The link for all of the GoPro videos I analyzed is in Section 11 of my report.
Hmm.... I got an unsolicited response direct from Jornet this morning about my report.....
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Hmm.... I got an unsolicited response direct from Jornet this morning about my report.....
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that could be rather interesting reading, haha. Thanks for all your work on this Andy. as I've evolved into mountain sports, I'm more and more certain that this sort of activity is perhaps not rampant but certainly more common than we think. Doping, in a way, I suppose- though there's probably plenty of doping as well, smh.
and... wrote:
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Hmm.... I got an unsolicited response direct from Jornet this morning about my report.....
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Let's just say that I'm creating an addendum with Jornet's response along with my detailed rebuttal of his response that I will put into the Google Drive folder of the report.....
not my real name wrote:
that could be rather interesting reading, haha. Thanks for all your work on this Andy. as I've evolved into mountain sports, I'm more and more certain that this sort of activity is perhaps not rampant but certainly more common than we think. Doping, in a way, I suppose- though there's probably plenty of doping as well, smh.
My experience from all of this is that the mountaineering community is not equipped well enough to do proper verifications unlike the expected procedures we have in the running community.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
and... wrote:
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Let's just say that I'm creating an addendum with Jornet's response along with my detailed rebuttal of his response that I will put into the Google Drive folder of the report.....
My guess is that Jornet only submitted once. He claimed it was twice. Just one long might climb.
Anyone who has ever been in the dark on a snowy trail know how incredibly difficult it is to find your way. And that is if it is flat, and at lower elevation. It is too easy to lose your way and backtrack to get on course. And it is dangerous as can be on a steep trial.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Hmm.... I got an unsolicited response direct from Jornet this morning about my report.....
Strange approach from Kilian.
It almost legitimizes what is essentially a poorly collated document from a complete nobody with zero mountaineering experience that very few people would otherwise read. But if he is taking it seriously then perhaps I should too.
Hurry up and post his reply.
Curious and Curiouser wrote:
Strange approach from Kilian.
It almost legitimizes what is essentially a poorly collated document from a complete nobody with zero mountaineering experience.
Pretty harsh statement about Jornet. If he was experience he would know that dark of night climbs with no one watching are not only dangerous but impossible to prove. If he had nothing to hide he would welcome observers during his make-me-money trick event.