I already stated I can't claim it determined the game. We have no idea what would have happened had the penalty stood. However, if you feel that taking back a penalty that would have resulted in a 1st down and yardage while a team is driving down the field isn't in any way impactful on the game, you are a fool.
The video refutes your argument so you go the 'grammar route'. It's the standard go to when someone's argument has no merit. I guess in lack being correct it's a cheap attempt at 'saving face'.
llort_vbo wrote:
The Cowboy haters are pathetic here. You act like that was the last play of the game.
I think what happens is that a lot of people watch football during the playoffs who don't really know football.
I'll grant you your premise. Let's say that the refs blew the call. How many other chances did the Lions have? Many.
There was a questionable call of running into the punter early in the game followed by a no-call on much worse contact later in the game. During the play in question Pettigrew tried to create separation by pushing off and wasn't called for that either. There were numerous missed illegal contact penalties on BOTH sides that could have been called.
Bottom line, Cowboys stepped up when it counted and Lions folded. Anything else is crybaby stuff, so suck it.
Oh, and here is your hero crying:
http://tinyurl.com/neqgudc.
Yes Detroit did implode.
Based on your above post, let's say it's safe to assume you "really know football". Therefore you surely understand that time and score, distance and down etc...constantly change the course of games. It would have been huge advantage Detroit if that penalty stood. Right?
If no flag comes out, it's a non-story. But one did. So it's suspect.
I highly doubt they'd have reversed that in 1st Q.
They f'cked it up.
double fail wrote:
I already stated I can't claim it determined the game. We have no idea what would have happened had the penalty stood. However, if you feel that taking back a penalty that would have resulted in a 1st down and yardage while a team is driving down the field isn't in any way impactful on the game, you are a fool.
I'm saying there were 125 plays in that game and many judgement calls that weren't noticed. Picking one and crying about it is disingenuous and shows that either you are a Lions fan, Cowboy hater, or don't watch football often (possibly all 3).
EABOD crybaby.
You can't claim that the play in question was more impactful than the first quarter running into the punter call. Sorry, I'm not buying.
I think if you go back and watch the totality of the play, you'll see that there could have been illegalcontact/holding on both sides, offensive PI, or defensive PI.
I like the no-call. I'm tired of two hand touch football.
The 'fanboy-hater' argument reaks of an immature poster. All plays are not equal. Poor calls by refs can severely impact the course of a game. Detroit having to punt instead of getting the correct call and getting additional yardage from an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Bryant that wasn't called took them from being in the redzone to giving up the possession. If you don't think that matters the lack of football knowledge is ALL on your side. But that was obvious.
double fail wrote:
The video refutes your argument so you go the 'grammar route'. It's the standard go to when someone's argument has no merit. I guess in lack being correct it's a cheap attempt at 'saving face'.
If you want to cry about one ticky tack no call then feel free. Holding off the line is legal. Face guarding is legal. Both players made contact with each other. It was a small amount of contact including the defender finishing the play with his hands in the air. The read and throw by Stafford were both TERRIBLE. The official with a good view over turned the back judge with a bad view. The only mistake was the head ref announcing the call while the other officials conferred, which he admitted jumping the gun on. There were tons of other calls that were either made or not made that we can watch on slow motion replay and debate all day and we may feel opposite ways, but I don't see you bringing those up. You are a simpleton who cannot contextualize the situation.
double fail wrote:
The 'fanboy-hater' argument reaks of an immature poster. All plays are not equal. Poor calls by refs can severely impact the course of a game. Detroit having to punt instead of getting the correct call and getting additional yardage from an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Bryant that wasn't called took them from being in the redzone to giving up the possession. If you don't think that matters the lack of football knowledge is ALL on your side. But that was obvious.
The officials forced Detroit to punt? That's f**ked up. They let Dallas run plays on fourth down if Dallas wanted. Damn you Obama!!!!
You can't shove a receiver downfield. That's PI, period. If you feel there were offsetting penalties then that's a replay of the down. Except Dez then comitted a 15 yard penalty that also wasn't called. These are mistakes that definitely impacted the game. And you are questioning football knowledge? You may want to display some first. Had the ref never called the penalty in the first place I could call it a miscall. To call it correctly, and then overturn it, is ridiculous.
You know what "reeks" of immaturity? Wanting ticky-tack penalties to help your team. The game got settled on the field. The Cowboys were better and you need to get over it. If you had ever actually been to a game you'd see that players come off of the sideline on every play. It's immaterial and only would get called if the player was abusive.
1/125 - stop crying.
double fail wrote:
You can't shove a receiver downfield. That's PI, period.
Um no, that could be illegal contact unless the ball is already in the air. Are you sure that you know the rules? I'm pretty sure there's some youtube videos for little kids and women to bring you up to speed on nfl rules.
double fail wrote:
The 'fanboy-hater' argument reaks of an immature poster. All plays are not equal. Poor calls by refs can severely impact the course of a game. Detroit having to punt instead of getting the correct call and getting additional yardage from an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Bryant that wasn't called took them from being in the redzone to giving up the possession. If you don't think that matters the lack of football knowledge is ALL on your side. But that was obvious.
It is reek, not reak.
BOTH running into the kicker penalties were much worse than this call. Both also went against Dallas including Detroit getting a touchdown as opposed to Dallas having the ball with great field position. So whether they got calls wrong, or if they would have gotten all of them right, Dallas still wins. I get that you are saying the call may have changed the situation of the game one way or the other. However, as others have pointed out for you, Dallas won this game as they deserved to. End of story.
who forced them to punt wrote:
double fail wrote:The 'fanboy-hater' argument reaks of an immature poster. All plays are not equal. Poor calls by refs can severely impact the course of a game. Detroit having to punt instead of getting the correct call and getting additional yardage from an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Bryant that wasn't called took them from being in the redzone to giving up the possession. If you don't think that matters the lack of football knowledge is ALL on your side. But that was obvious.
The officials forced Detroit to punt? That's f**ked up. They let Dallas run plays on fourth down if Dallas wanted. Damn you Obama!!!!
Detroit's not a physical enough team to run on 4th and 1.
Stupid point. Why bother posting it? Replay of down or 1st down is infinitely better than gambling on 4th down. Situations on the field greatly impact play calls. The situation arose from poor referring, not Detroit's play. Wrong calls by refs absolutely influence the game. You are being obtuse to suggest otherwise. Did you play football?
Here ya go chief:
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/beginnersguidetofootball
I'm pretty sure there's a crybaby clause in there.
So pushing a receiver to the ground, in no way associated with jamming them at the line, isn't pass interference? And you are questioning people about the rules? This is where you stop posting. I suppose grabbing your opponents jersey as they go by you to impede their progress isn't holding to you either... You have no clue what you are talking about. No, you can't plow into a receiver downfield on a pass to defend it. That's PI.
Play football, are you stupid? I ran. But, my point was, regarding the statement "Detroit was forced to punt" was inaccurate. The situation also totally arose from Detroit's (specifically Stafford's) bad play (throw). The real error was the ref announcing the penalty before he had all the info. At least eating the flag the ref corrected his bad play, the Lions went on to exasperate their bad play.
I'm sorry, I can't deal with stupid. You should look up the difference between PI and holding/illegal contact.
Try here:
http://thefootballgirl.com/football-101/nfl-rules.html
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Grabbing someone's jersey from behind to slow down their route is never legal. WTF are you talking about? Hold your breath and wait for ANY analyst to say that is ok. Holding of the line is legal? You are a moron. Pushing someone to the ground to defend a pass isn't ticky tacky. It's a penalty. At least if you know anything about football.
double fail wrote:
So pushing a receiver to the ground, in no way associated with jamming them at the line, isn't pass interference? And you are questioning people about the rules? This is where you stop posting. I suppose grabbing your opponents jersey as they go by you to impede their progress isn't holding to you either... You have no clue what you are talking about. No, you can't plow into a receiver downfield on a pass to defend it. That's PI.
You couldn't possibly be a bigger idiot. Plowed through him? Really? Don't act surprised, Detroit hasn't won a playoff game since 1991 and they sure didn't have a very high chance of doing it today.