See username. Unfortunately dopping is completely normalized among amateur ultrarunners. A couple of years ago on the ultra- and trail- subbreddits, everbody openely talked about taking antinflammatory drugs or painkillers to reduce perceived effort.
We don't see it as much anymore because redditors caught on to the health risks, but I'm sure it's still extremely common among the general population.
I don't understand how people can be so casual about cheating. Especially that they have nothing to win anyway, which paradoxally is probably what makes them think that it's ok.
Genuinely never thought that ultrarunning would have a doping problem because always thought it was a bunch of older guys running around the woods for the vibes. Like there is so little money in the sport for the average runner beyond some low-level brand ambassador deal, what's the point of looking for an edge.
But now I'm coming around to the idea after some recent observations. There is a local ultra guy I know that more and seems like a poster boy for the ultra doping issues. He's nothing special, occasionally gets top 5 in some races around the state, but recently posted about peptides and IV fluid treatment and other random questionable stuff. Also wore the Adidas Prime X shoes with the illegal stack height at the local road marathon. Like if this dude is seeking some sort of edge to knock a half hour off his 100 mile PR and get 6th place at the Northern State Fall Ultra Festival, I can't imagine he is the only one.
More and more, it seems like ultras are a reason for people to prove how tough they are and gain a social media following, and any shortcuts are fair game to achieve that goal. They somehow justify it to themselves as doing "whatever it takes". Like what happened to just chilling in the woods with other running and nature enthusiasts and taking in the vibes. Now it's all "Look at me! Look at me!" and little else. Guess it's emblematic of our society at large then.
This is an older post but I re-read the entire thread. It's one of the best ones about ultras. I think social media made this far worse. Without socials you'd still have dopers of course, but they might not be as prevalent.
Not only did Cam admit to taking BPC-157, but he also admitted to using TRT and in that same original comment thread one point stated "many age groupers like myself are on hormone therapy", clearly admitting to continuing to take hormones (presumably HGH since he denies taking TRT currently). I don't trust that he stopped taking TRT either- as I understand it, once you start taking synthetic testosterone, your body stops being able to produce it naturally, so presumably you're basically hooked to the TRT pharma industry.
BPC-157 is not solely responsible for this 58 year old who'd run 2:50-2:58 for his whole life suddenly running a 2:39... If whatever cocktail he's on can take that much time off a mediocre marathoner, just imagine what kinds of times former 2:20-2:30 marathoners could be running at 58- 2:10-2:20s?? I think we've gotten used to elites microdosing these powerful drugs so that they don't get caught by running obviously doped up times, but this guy isn't even hiding it and now he's running the age graded equivalent of a 2:10.
He has all the telltale signs of TRT/HGH use- waxy red skin (increased RBC production- TRT is basically EPO), distended belly (insulin disregulation, "bubble gut"), visible vascularization, and even just eyeballing his jawline, this does not look like the guy in his old photos from his blog (jaw bone continues to grow with HGH use, see Sylvester Stallone). It's like when the doctor asks you how much alcohol you drink and you tell him half the honest amount- no way this guy is only on peptides
Look back in 08' all the blogs CH lists his stack with not one but a couple of pro hormone substances. So that's almost 20years of banned substances...Banned substances that are prohibited in Sport. If you aren't competing, please take the cocktail of exogenous substances.
Now it seems CH stack has got more refined working with multiple endocrinologists- Ways to Well. DHEA, Pregnenolone, HCG, GH, Test Cypionate cycle...
Then has the disdain to laugh this off as an Age Grouper while dismissing the true blue collar age grouper.
And to think if he wasn’t such a short king he wouldn’t have to poison his body with all that garbage!
Cam is continuing to crash out, double down, change his story, and attempting to shift the focus off of him on his social media: https://imgur.com/a/T0FQpFT
He's now pointing out how the winner of the Eugene Marathon also wasn't tested, as if that is the reason why he's getting heat. Cam, as far as I know, Jax Siddell hasn't admitted to taking a peptide not approved for human consumption that he somehow claims to have gotten from a doctor, partnered with a TRT company for several years, written a series of blog posts about his PED usage, or gone on the Joe Rogan podcast and admitted to taking a huge stack of supplements that he's unsure of the purpose of. If he has, please let us know, and we'll lead the charge to get both you and him removed from the 2026 results.
He's also sharing the Eugene waiver, as if it not explicitly saying "Hey, don't be a roided out grandpa and enter our race" is some sort of gotcha defense. Cam, that waiver doesn't say anything about wearing your bib in a visible location, how'd you and all the other thousands of competitors know to do that, if it wasn't in the waiver? Looks like the waiver didn't say anything about not cutting the course either, I guess you and everyone else were suckers for running the full 26.2 huh? Oh, yeah, there are rules to road racing that aren't listed in a waiver for legal liability purposes that anyone who's been doing marathons for 20+ years would know. You've proven time and time again that you think you're such a special, unique flower that the rules don't apply to you though.
I have no idea but I'd love to know if anyone has contacted Eugene or WADA/USADA and received a response. I'm sure they have PR/communications people that handle intake/public inquiries, etc.
Do we post here about Cameron Hanes meeting with Rachel before her record setting Cocodona and her unbelievable performance? Or is that another thread? #Aravaipatestsbutdotheyreallllly
Did this actually happen? I respect Rachel, no shade there.
Cam is continuing to crash out, double down, change his story, and attempting to shift the focus off of him on his social media: https://imgur.com/a/T0FQpFT
He's now pointing out how the winner of the Eugene Marathon also wasn't tested, as if that is the reason why he's getting heat. Cam, as far as I know, Jax Siddell hasn't admitted to taking a peptide not approved for human consumption that he somehow claims to have gotten from a doctor, partnered with a TRT company for several years, written a series of blog posts about his PED usage, or gone on the Joe Rogan podcast and admitted to taking a huge stack of supplements that he's unsure of the purpose of. If he has, please let us know, and we'll lead the charge to get both you and him removed from the 2026 results.
He's also sharing the Eugene waiver, as if it not explicitly saying "Hey, don't be a roided out grandpa and enter our race" is some sort of gotcha defense. Cam, that waiver doesn't say anything about wearing your bib in a visible location, how'd you and all the other thousands of competitors know to do that, if it wasn't in the waiver? Looks like the waiver didn't say anything about not cutting the course either, I guess you and everyone else were suckers for running the full 26.2 huh? Oh, yeah, there are rules to road racing that aren't listed in a waiver for legal liability purposes that anyone who's been doing marathons for 20+ years would know. You've proven time and time again that you think you're such a special, unique flower that the rules don't apply to you though.
Yeah, he put himself in a position to be scrutinized by having done/said all the things you mention and many more signs of banned substance use others have listed.
Jax Siddell, Sage, etc, have not done/said those things.
He then profits off it on social media. So, yelling, "look over there at that guy who wasn't tested" doesn't hold water. We have common sense and consider the full context when forming opinions and asking for testing. Just like signing up to be a Rosa athlete garners extra suspicion, Cam has made knowing and intentional choices which prevent him from deserving the benefit of the doubt.
What prize money has cam taken from a clean runner at a race? What Olympic or world championship medal has he taken from a clean runner? Oh he hasn't? He does races to push himself? Why tf does it matter. It makes no sense to put some dude that is almost 60 years old that is just trying to keep running into his 60s to the same standard as Olympic athletes. Yall will mention he makes money off of being an influencer, there's countless fitness "influencers" on social media taking countless banned substances should usada/wada go out of their way to ban those people?
What prize money has cam taken from a clean runner at a race? What Olympic or world championship medal has he taken from a clean runner? Oh he hasn't? He does races to push himself? Why tf does it matter. It makes no sense to put some dude that is almost 60 years old that is just trying to keep running into his 60s to the same standard as Olympic athletes. Yall will mention he makes money off of being an influencer, there's countless fitness "influencers" on social media taking countless banned substances should usada/wada go out of their way to ban those people?
Yes. "Countless" influencers using illegal substances? I doubt it. Name names.
What prize money has cam taken from a clean runner at a race? What Olympic or world championship medal has he taken from a clean runner? Oh he hasn't? He does races to push himself? Why tf does it matter. It makes no sense to put some dude that is almost 60 years old that is just trying to keep running into his 60s to the same standard as Olympic athletes. Yall will mention he makes money off of being an influencer, there's countless fitness "influencers" on social media taking countless banned substances should usada/wada go out of their way to ban those people?
It has nothing to do with money. Very few runners have ever won money at a race. (I did win a gift card to a running store once, which is "as good as money"! Was pretty proud of that.)
We are hobby joggers who care about our hobby. We work hard at it. We make sacrifices for it. We build community around it. We find it physically and mentally rewarding. We don't want people cheating at the hobby we are passionate about. We want a fair playing field for the hobby.
The vast majority college athletes, even in the NIL era, are just pursuing a hobby from which they will never make a dime, can others just dope to get ahead of them?
What prize money has cam taken from a clean runner at a race? What Olympic or world championship medal has he taken from a clean runner? Oh he hasn't? He does races to push himself? Why tf does it matter. It makes no sense to put some dude that is almost 60 years old that is just trying to keep running into his 60s to the same standard as Olympic athletes. Yall will mention he makes money off of being an influencer, there's countless fitness "influencers" on social media taking countless banned substances should usada/wada go out of their way to ban those people?
Yes. "Countless" influencers using illegal substances? I doubt it. Name names.
If expand influencer to the whole of the "fitness" community, there's plenty of them taking something. If we expand outside of influencers, and just recreational runners that are just doing their own thing, the prevalence of testosterone and peptides in the running world is much higher than people think. Just think of what percent of the sport is made up of middle aged men maintaining a full time job, taking care of a family, sleep is less than optimal, our environment/diet is so toxic the average testosterone levels have dramatically decreased in the last 50 years etc. You really think every 45 year old is staying clean even though there's a testosterone prescription they can get from a doctor that would dramatically increase every aspect of their life? Especially their running life which for a lot of men it's one of the few things they look towards doing after working and taking care of kids.
What prize money has cam taken from a clean runner at a race? What Olympic or world championship medal has he taken from a clean runner? Oh he hasn't? He does races to push himself? Why tf does it matter. It makes no sense to put some dude that is almost 60 years old that is just trying to keep running into his 60s to the same standard as Olympic athletes. Yall will mention he makes money off of being an influencer, there's countless fitness "influencers" on social media taking countless banned substances should usada/wada go out of their way to ban those people?
Do you have the same attitude towards trans runners? Does Hanes? I bet not! I bet you (and especially Hanes) both think that transwomen shouldn't be allowed to compete against other women, because there is an inherent unfairness that has nothing to do with prize money or olympic medal opportunities. Tell me, how is this different? How is it not even MORE unfair, given that transwomen take medications that make them slower, rather than faster?
If you want to take PEDs or seek other medical procedures to feel better about yourself, go right ahead; it is (supposedly) a free country. But if you do, you should be willing to sacrifice competing against people who don't have those same advantages. Hanes is free to go out and "push himself" anytime he wants to, alone. These geared-up, look-at-me influencers need to GTFO of competition against athletes who train with dignity. Go join the Steroid Olympics.
Cam is continuing to crash out, double down, change his story, and attempting to shift the focus off of him on his social media: https://imgur.com/a/T0FQpFT
Yes. "Countless" influencers using illegal substances? I doubt it. Name names.
If expand influencer to the whole of the "fitness" community, there's plenty of them taking something. If we expand outside of influencers, and just recreational runners that are just doing their own thing, the prevalence of testosterone and peptides in the running world is much higher than people think. Just think of what percent of the sport is made up of middle aged men maintaining a full time job, taking care of a family, sleep is less than optimal, our environment/diet is so toxic the average testosterone levels have dramatically decreased in the last 50 years etc. You really think every 45 year old is staying clean even though there's a testosterone prescription they can get from a doctor that would dramatically increase every aspect of their life? Especially their running life which for a lot of men it's one of the few things they look towards doing after working and taking care of kids.
Again, "Everyone can take a little banned substances as a treat" isn't the iron clad argument you think it is so I don't know why you keep trying to make it
Also are you trying to convince us with your name or yourself?
Cams crashing out is hilarious - Sage at times you've annoyed me but I'd be absolutely laughing my a** off every day about this, Cam acting like a big old baby! Congrats!
For the people arguing that "it doesn't matter"... no one taking PEDs draws a really nice clean line about the rules. There's no grey area or "I only ran 2:xx so it's ok" whilst someone 2 seconds ahead of you can't because an arbitrary line is drawn. Everyone on the start line, from 1:59 to 8 hours follows the same rules. Simple.
It's the same reason Cam can't shoot an animal on the 31st March, but can shoot it on 1st April. Yes, there could be some deeper nuances applied each year, or a simple and very clear line is drawn that has no ambiguity or room for interpretation. Everyone's on the same page.
As someone watching this from afar, it's bizarre how the US somehow both has no rules but also crazy rules and permits and layers of rubbish impacting daily life. And then in this instance with a pretty clear and obvious rule a group decides to argue the case. Goes some way to explaining sovereign citizens I guess?
Again, "Everyone can take a little banned substances as a treat" isn't the iron clad argument you think it is so I don't know why you keep trying to make it
Also are you trying to convince us with your name or yourself?
Surveys on amateur triathletes show over 10 percent have used something. But to think there isn't or shouldn't be a double standard for hobby joggers in their 50s compared to professional elites is foolish. Just think for a moment there's amateur runners signing up to do these 100 to 200 milers in the mountains while working full time jobs. The entry for these 200 milers is around 2k and mountainous 100 milers often cost 400 plus dollars. These ultra runners are already spending thousands of dollars a year to do these ultras. You really think there aren't more hobby jogger that had to grind out 100 milers for 10 years before getting into hardrock or western states aren't going take some peptides to get over an injury just because some elitist purists think less of them because they aren't following the same rules as Olympic runners? Unless we are talking about the elite runners and prize money i do not care if hobby joggers are taking trt and using peptides so that they can continue to enjoy running and racing into there 50, 60 etc. Outside the elite field at these ultras, it's about the man or woman vs the distance. Even if you got a hobby jogger on the best cocktails from the soviet union and 1990s tour de france, he still has to cover the 100 or 200+ miles on foot.
My first ultra (a 100m) was a beautiful disaster because I’m in 40s, was moderately out of shape and pretty undertrained. I knew what I needed to do to get to the start healthy and with the confidence in my expierence to finish
It never occurred to me to dope despite all the resources my family used so I could do the race. I wasn’t thrilled with how I did but it was an honest effort that I can respect. Maybe others have poor ethics but if I was all roided up I think I would not be as proud of it.
Doping isn’t going to prevent a dnf in an ultra. it’s too long Ans too much goofy stuff can happen as we saw with cam’s cocodona dnf. Maybe all the doping is giving hobby joggers a false sense of security and lack of “grit” that is coming back to bite them in the race.
It's just a shame that these g-affirming guys are forced to run in races that have "rules" that they are well aware of and then get b hurt when people complain that they break the rules. Cam is the real freedom fighter here.
Surveys on amateur triathletes show over 10 percent have used something. But to think there isn't or shouldn't be a double standard for hobby joggers in their 50s compared to professional elites is foolish.
I'm not sure why my last post was deleted as it clearly was not "personal harassment", so I will try again. What is your opinion on transwomen competing against ciswomen? I would bet my house that Hanes is strongly opposed, given his political leanings.
For years, there has been national outrage over transwomen at any level competing against other women based on the assumption that there is an inherent unfair competitive advantage that has nothing to do with prize money or Olympic opportunities. Do you see the parallels here? Allowing steroid users to compete against clean athletes is even more unfair and outrageous, given that transwomen are typically taking medications to make themselves slower, rather than faster.
If you want to take PEDs to feel better about yourself, then go for it. But you should be willing to sacrifice competing against other people who do not get those same advantages. Hanes is free to go out and push himself alone or with friends. Or he can influence his way into the new Steroid Olympics. But stop trying to compete against and show-up people who train with dignity.
I'm not sure why my last post was deleted as it clearly was not "personal harassment", so I will try again. What is your opinion on transwomen competing against ciswomen? I would bet my house that Hanes is strongly opposed, given his political leanings.
For years, there has been national outrage over transwomen at any level competing against other women based on the assumption that there is an inherent unfair competitive advantage that has nothing to do with prize money or Olympic opportunities. Do you see the parallels here? Allowing steroid users to compete against clean athletes is even more unfair and outrageous, given that transwomen are typically taking medications to make themselves slower, rather than faster.
If you want to take PEDs to feel better about yourself, then go for it. But you should be willing to sacrifice competing against other people who do not get those same advantages. Hanes is free to go out and push himself alone or with friends. Or he can influence his way into the new Steroid Olympics. But stop trying to compete against and show-up people who train with dignity.
I think my stance is pretty clear if we are talking about the general field as far as hobby joggers I don't care. If we are talking about the top ten/podium of the women's field, of course I am against a man competing against women just because he feels like one. If we're talking about some weirdo that's running a marathon in 4 hours I don't care if that dude wants to sign up as a chick it's not affecting the top ten at any meaningful marathon.
Sage for the Win on this one. Cam is a total joke for those of us who have an idea how difficult it would be to run 2:39 at almost 60yo.
Maybe for “context” Cam and his (internet bots) need to think his achievement is like hunting for exotic animals in cages…at a Zoo and bragging about your bow skills. He’s not far from being the Liver King at this point.
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