The desperation and cluelessness is hilarious. Cooper is supremely talented. And as you just demonstrated in the Myers thread, and in this one, you seethe with jealousy over the performances of highly talented youngsters. When people point this out you run to the mods screaming like a banshee. Hypocrite.
Cooper defintely has WR potential at 800m based on what he has done so far at age 17. His coach, who up to this point has shown great judgment and insight, feels Cooper will be capable of dipping under 45 in the 400m. I’ll go along with that.
He’s back over in the Myers thread trying to make it seem like Myers didn’t really run under 3:30 because he “only” ran 3:29.8. 🤡
Good point about Cooper’s coach. He’s in the best position to gauge Cooper’s capabilities. If anything, he’s always been a bit conservative and in the end Cooper generally delivers by exceeding expectations. At some point he’ ll probably run under 45 if he pursues that as a goal. For now, just keep it steady on the two-lapper.
The desperation and cluelessness is hilarious. Cooper is supremely talented. And as you just demonstrated in the Myers thread, and in this one, you seethe with jealousy over the performances of highly talented youngsters. When people point this out you run to the mods screaming like a banshee. Hypocrite.
Cooper defintely has WR potential at 800m based on what he has done so far at age 17. His coach, who up to this point has shown great judgment and insight, feels Cooper will be capable of dipping under 45 in the 400m. I’ll go along with that.
He’s back over in the Myers thread trying to make it seem like Myers didn’t really run under 3:30 because he “only” ran 3:29.8. 🤡
Good point about Cooper’s coach. He’s in the best position to gauge Cooper’s capabilities. If anything, he’s always been a bit conservative and in the end Cooper generally delivers by exceeding expectations. At some point he’ ll probably run under 45 if he pursues that as a goal. For now, just keep it steady on the two-lapper.
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
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He’s back over in the Myers thread trying to make it seem like Myers didn’t really run under 3:30 because he “only” ran 3:29.8. 🤡
Good point about Cooper’s coach. He’s in the best position to gauge Cooper’s capabilities. If anything, he’s always been a bit conservative and in the end Cooper generally delivers by exceeding expectations. At some point he’ ll probably run under 45 if he pursues that as a goal. For now, just keep it steady on the two-lapper.
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
No. You tried to imply Myer’s run wasn’t all that great. When in fact it was terrific. Even better is that you are so wound up you can’t stop haunting the board to do damage control.
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
Cooper ran his 400 PR at the Stae HS meet, after running 1:47.04, which Army conveniently fails to note. Cooper was likey capable of 45 high at least when he clocked his still mond-boggling 1:42. But according to Army it really wasn’t a 1:42, since Cooper ran 1:42.27.
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
No. You tried to imply Myer’s run wasn’t all that great. When in fact it was terrific. Even better is that you are so wound up you can’t stop haunting the board to do damage control.
Haunting. Perfect description of the old dude’s activities. Yes, give the kids their due. They are providing thrills and excitement for true fans!
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
Cooper ran his 400 PR at the Stae HS meet, after running 1:47.04, which Army conveniently fails to note. Cooper was likey capable of 45 high at least when he clocked his still mond-boggling 1:42. But according to Army it really wasn’t a 1:42, since Cooper ran 1:42.27.
Obviously his 400 time on a double at a high school meet when his 800 pr was 1:46 and he dropped more than 4 seconds off that three months later was an indication of his 400m ability and he will never significantly improve on that! This lack of lifetime ability of a high school sophomore to improve is proven by him running a 21.8 200 rep at the end of a random workout, somehow! (Armstronglivs logic)
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
No. You tried to imply Myer’s run wasn’t all that great. When in fact it was terrific. Even better is that you are so wound up you can’t stop haunting the board to do damage control.
I didn't imply anything. I stated his official time with the observation that it is closer to 3:30 than 3:29. .85 of a second counts.
You can't read. I said Myers's time was closer to 3:30 than 3:29. That isn't saying he "didn't really run under 3:30". I said the opposite. He did.
So if Lutkenhaus is going to improve 1.5 sec over the 400 is he going to improve 3 sec over the 800 in the same period?
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
Your argument is that because he reduced his 800 pr by 4 secs since he ran his 400 pr then he should also be much faster over the latter distance. If that is the argument then the logical inference is that he is now 2 seconds faster over the 400. 44-low - Quincy Wilson (or Juantorena) speed.
The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times. So far he hasn't run under 46.3 or 22.1 for the 200. To run 44-low he has to have Juantorena speed over the 200 - 20.7. No chance.
He would be doing well if he could run under 46. That is fast for an 800 runner. He isn't and never will be a world class 400 runner, which is 44x.
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
He hasn't run 1:42. Says Army.
If you care for accuracy - you don't - his best time is 1:42.27.
Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
Cooper ran his 400 PR at the Stae HS meet, after running 1:47.04, which Army conveniently fails to note. Cooper was likey capable of 45 high at least when he clocked his still mond-boggling 1:42. But according to Army it really wasn’t a 1:42, since Cooper ran 1:42.27.
He might be capable of 45-high. I have said that. But the claim has been made he is capable of 44-high. Nothing yet shows that.
Cooper ran his 400 PR at the Stae HS meet, after running 1:47.04, which Army conveniently fails to note. Cooper was likey capable of 45 high at least when he clocked his still mond-boggling 1:42. But according to Army it really wasn’t a 1:42, since Cooper ran 1:42.27.
Obviously his 400 time on a double at a high school meet when his 800 pr was 1:46 and he dropped more than 4 seconds off that three months later was an indication of his 400m ability and he will never significantly improve on that! This lack of lifetime ability of a high school sophomore to improve is proven by him running a 21.8 200 rep at the end of a random workout, somehow! (Armstronglivs logic)
I haven't said he can't improve. I have said nothing he has recorded so far shows the kinds of improvements being predicted here, of 44-mid or high over the 400. I have given the example of another schoolboy prodigy in Quincy Wilson, who has gained only a tenth of a second on his best 400 time since he was 16. Improvements are hard to come by for those who have matured early. Lutkenhaus is such a one.
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Armstronglivs: You continually ignore the most crucial piece of evidence here. Cooper ran his 400m pr on May 3rd 2025. His pr 800 at that time was still only 1:46. He didn't even break the high school 800m outdoor record until over a month later: running 1:46.26 at Brooks pr on June 8, 2025.
Cooper then had a massive drop in his 800m time, running 1:42.37 on August 3rd, 2025.
So the drop in the 800 that you are talking about which would correspond to a 1.5 second drop in his 400 already occurred: from May 2025 to August 2025 when he dropped 4 seconds off his 800m. Why then is it so unbelievable to you that he would have also shown a 1.5 second drop in his 400m if he had raced it the day he ran 1:42?
Your argument is that because he reduced his 800 pr by 4 secs since he ran his 400 pr then he should also be much faster over the latter distance. If that is the argument then the logical inference is that he is now 2 seconds faster over the 400. 44-low - Quincy Wilson (or Juantorena) speed.
The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times. So far he hasn't run under 46.3 or 22.1 for the 200. To run 44-low he has to have Juantorena speed over the 200 - 20.7. No chance.
He would be doing well if he could run under 46. That is fast for an 800 runner. He isn't and never will be a world class 400 runner, which is 44x.
"The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times."
This is actually the problem with your argument not the rest of ours. 5 minutes before Cooper ran 1:42, he was in 1:42 shape, he never ran 1:42 before but he was in good enough shape to run 1:42.
Same thing goes for his 400, he's currently and has been in at the minimum 45 mid to low shape, however he's never actually raced it while being in that shape.
Your argument is that because he reduced his 800 pr by 4 secs since he ran his 400 pr then he should also be much faster over the latter distance. If that is the argument then the logical inference is that he is now 2 seconds faster over the 400. 44-low - Quincy Wilson (or Juantorena) speed.
The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times. So far he hasn't run under 46.3 or 22.1 for the 200. To run 44-low he has to have Juantorena speed over the 200 - 20.7. No chance.
He would be doing well if he could run under 46. That is fast for an 800 runner. He isn't and never will be a world class 400 runner, which is 44x.
"The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times."
This is actually the problem with your argument not the rest of ours. 5 minutes before Cooper ran 1:42, he was in 1:42 shape, he never ran 1:42 before but he was in good enough shape to run 1:42.
Same thing goes for his 400, he's currently and has been in at the minimum 45 mid to low shape, however he's never actually raced it while being in that shape.
The only thing that showed he was in 1:42x shape was that he ran that time. Otherwise nothing would have shown that. The same applies to him running 45 or so over the 400. His 800 time doesn't show that and until he runs 45 he isn't in that "shape". Predictions are guesses until they occur.
The most convincing evidence that he could run 45ish or better for the 400 is if he has recorded 21-flat FAT over the 200. But that is more than a second faster than his best time.
"The problem with your argument is that he isn't any faster than his prs until he actually records faster times."
This is actually the problem with your argument not the rest of ours. 5 minutes before Cooper ran 1:42, he was in 1:42 shape, he never ran 1:42 before but he was in good enough shape to run 1:42.
Same thing goes for his 400, he's currently and has been in at the minimum 45 mid to low shape, however he's never actually raced it while being in that shape.
The only thing that showed he was in 1:42x shape was that he ran that time. Otherwise nothing would have shown that. The same applies to him running 45 or so over the 400. His 800 time doesn't show that and until he runs 45 he isn't in that "shape". Predictions are guesses until they occur.
The most convincing evidence that he could run 45ish or better for the 400 is if he has recorded 21-flat FAT over the 200. But that is more than a second faster than his best time.
Army also ignores Cooper’s 200m PR is from over two years ago, and he ran that as part of a triple in lousy weather. He hasn’t raced at 200m since. Of course Cooper hasn’t really improved at all sunce then. 🤣🤣😂😂🤔🤔
The only thing that showed he was in 1:42x shape was that he ran that time. Otherwise nothing would have shown that. The same applies to him running 45 or so over the 400. His 800 time doesn't show that and until he runs 45 he isn't in that "shape". Predictions are guesses until they occur.
The most convincing evidence that he could run 45ish or better for the 400 is if he has recorded 21-flat FAT over the 200. But that is more than a second faster than his best time.
Army also ignores Cooper’s 200m PR is from over two years ago, and he ran that as part of a triple in lousy weather. He hasn’t raced at 200m since. Of course Cooper hasn’t really improved at all sunce then. 🤣🤣😂😂🤔🤔
He does appear to consciously ignore what you guys have noted about doubling, no races at certain distances for a year or two and so on. That’s rather dishonest. I watched those sprint races on Cooper’s channel and he is most assuredly capable of better times now. But why even risk pulling a hamstring or what have you while racing a 200m sprint event that he hasn’t run in over two years? In the 400m, Cooper might be capable of 45 low this season and eventually sub 45. Why is this hard to accept? He’s an extremely unusual talent.
The only thing that showed he was in 1:42x shape was that he ran that time. Otherwise nothing would have shown that. The same applies to him running 45 or so over the 400. His 800 time doesn't show that and until he runs 45 he isn't in that "shape". Predictions are guesses until they occur.
The most convincing evidence that he could run 45ish or better for the 400 is if he has recorded 21-flat FAT over the 200. But that is more than a second faster than his best time.
Army also ignores Cooper’s 200m PR is from over two years ago, and he ran that as part of a triple in lousy weather. He hasn’t raced at 200m since. Of course Cooper hasn’t really improved at all sunce then. 🤣🤣😂😂🤔🤔
We don't know if he has improved his sprint speed. We can't assume he has simply be cause his endurance has improved.