BREAKING: Multiple Iowa State Athletes Suspend for Season for "Breaking Team Rules," Confirmed via Head Coach Jeremy Sudbury

If Im coaching and I find out one or more of my runners are using PEDS and I suspend them as soon as I become aware of it, you guys are saying I should be fired.

That creates a situation where the coach is better off if he never reports it.

A lot of deflecting going on here .

That's correct, the coach has responsibility to a certain degree, but he's not "in loco parentis" such as camp counselors living 24/7 with (under 18 age) campers and monitoring them. We have to be reasonable here. These are adult athletes, mostly 18-22, and there's a moral code which they generally adhere to. Putting the blame on Jeremy Sudbury, a wonderful coach and human being (rare combo), would be a travesty. If Sudbury faces threats of dismissal (hopefully not), he should lawyer up. I think he has good grounds to fight any unreasonable case thrown at him. Throwing Sudbury under the bus would be the easy solution - mimicking "clean-up" of the ISU program, but the actions of one or more athletes should not make Jeremy S. the scapegoat. Gross travesty of justice, if that were the case.....

So if he ends up getting fired and his wife leaves him I presume you'll be pursuing him since you're obviously infatuated with him. Good to know.

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So you expect people to just take your word for all of this? Back up these wild statements and accusations with sources and proof, otherwise stop posting.

So like is there a chance any of these stockpiles of drugs are connected to any former Iowa State athletes who were suspicious of doping due to their connections? And erratic behavior?

Like maybe a recent graduate Spanish athlete who’s Olympian brother had really sus connections who popped up on this board multiple times, being outed by former teammates due to sus activities?

1000% this. Always align incentives with the outcome you want to achieve.

And to those who say they shouldn't be saying they are suspended for violating "team rules" - It's early, and the school would be grossly incompetent if they said more than required at this point - it's just the reality in this litigious society. Case in point, someone earlier mentioned the Duke Lacrosse case - for those that forget, an overzealous DA tarred and feathered the athletes publicly - when it eventually was proved a hoax, he ended up out of a job, disbarred, and briefly in prison.

I think being accused of rape and being accused of doping in University are two very different scenarios. We don't know the outcome of this scenario because a doping scandal of this scale in College athletics has never occurred before but whatever happens Iowa States reputation is dirt.

I absolutely don't have an opinion about Musai or Messaoudi, but testing them, as others have pointed out, does very little at this point. EPO can degrade by 4 to 7 half lives in 24 hours. So after a full day, you're only getting positives on athletes who have taken large doses, which is presumably not what educated dopers are doing. After a few days, no one is testing positive.

That's why virtually no one tests positive for EPO, and it's why finding athletes in possession or with other kinds of evidence is often the only way to enforce.

Yes, and more to your point, Duke had to pay out millions in settlement money to the wrongly accused individuals because of how Duke handled it.

This is a very good point and why I would say that whether or not there is a coaching termination requires an investigation and more information than we have available at the moment. Was the coaching staff grossly negligent for this to occur? Not necessarily. If the coach/es were then yes, clean house, if it was rogue athletes with their own sourcing and application and you did your job and rooted it out then it sets bad precedent for sweeping incidents under the rug.

I think there's something brewing in Lawrence Township NJ... someone with matching initials and an incredibly performance two weeks ago -- in the very same county he resides -- is behind it all.

That's all I'll say for now, the truth will come out.

I don't know why this keeps coming up, but I know some people in WADA that stalk this thread. I know who is being talked about here and I highly doubt they are actually doping. I would refrain from making false accusations here.

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There's nothing "false" about this maestro of mercer county... his malicious masterclass of manipulation is most mythical.

The short half-life of EPO is also why gaming the system is a sport in itself for many, with frequent use of the maximum allowable whereabouts violations providing reliable coverage when testers arrive at inconvenient times.

In retrospect, I am guessing that the "suspension for rules violation" language was necessitated by the fact that they don't have positive confirmation yet (or probably ever) from tests on the accused athletes who haven't admitted guilt. Sudbury wouldn't be allowed by university lawyers to say that people were suspended for drug violations based on the word of one athlete who was caught with EPO. They'll want some kind of due process first.

They aren't ICE . This is a thread on a doping scandal at the Number 1 ranked team in NCAA Division 1 Cross Country. The lack of information given from them the more speculation and names will be brought up. Its up to Iowa State to start being honest about these "Team Rules" Broken instead of focusing on the conference meet.

Iowa State will likely say that FERPA limits their ability to release information.

Robin Bera arrested for hit and run on 10/22 in ames to spice up this whole Iowa state rumor.

Search up Robin Bera.