Joshua Cheptegei is SUSPICIOUS

5557 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You can go back to sleep now.

That's the level of your arguments - and there's nothing more to expect.

If you dont know what a doping apologist is then you have read and understood nothing on these boards for twenty years.

Armstronglivs wrote:

5557 wrote:

That's the level of your arguments - and there's nothing more to expect.

If you dont know what a doping apologist is then you have read and understood nothing on these boards for twenty years.

I havn't seen a single poster on this board who could be called some doping apologist. Questioning someones reasoning A must be a doper and B must be clean is something completely different.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That's a step. You might explore where that takes you.

Been there, done that. Without any solid verifiable factual basis, all of the paths lead to nowhere.

I thought I could take a short-cut and build on the many facts that helped form your firm convictions, but this is also another dead-end, as it appears to just a cartoon artist's rendering of a mythical place where no known path leads us.

But this isn't about me -- did you forget the original goal?

Surely you formed your ideas before, independently of my education, based on a comprehensive list of facts and real world observations.

What real world facts and observations lead you to suspect Cheptegei's performances?

Your faux open-mindedness to considering that Cheptegei might be doping.

So despite acknowledging doping exists alongside modern training you think that exploring a connection between them will arrive at a dead end. It surely will if you remain ignorant.

Have you ever explored that possible connection? Or has it always been up to others to do it for you? A rhetorical question.

5557 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you dont know what a doping apologist is then you have read and understood nothing on these boards for twenty years.

I havn't seen a single poster on this board who could be called some doping apologist. Questioning someones reasoning A must be a doper and B must be clean is something completely different.

Now that we've established you dont know what a doping apologist is.

Armstronglivs wrote:

5557 wrote:

I havn't seen a single poster on this board who could be called some doping apologist. Questioning someones reasoning A must be a doper and B must be clean is something completely different.

Now that we've established you dont know what a doping apologist is.

OK, something more substantial will not come from you - as always.

5557 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Now that we've established you dont know what a doping apologist is.

OK, something more substantial will not come from you - as always.

You don't put water in a bucket with a hole in it.

Armstronglivs wrote:

5557 wrote:

OK, something more substantial will not come from you - as always.

You don't put water in a bucket with a hole in it.

That's the only way you can handle all of your "discussions": running away from every concrete answer you were pressed to give.

He ran 3:37 at altitude. And his 3000 was a harder record attempt on the tail end of his latest training cycle. Neither of those conditions are optimal for a fast performance, so neither is even remotely suggestive of him doping. He'll be where he needs to be when he needs to.

Why is this thread still getting posts? Even the original premise was dumb. 3:37 in those conditions was pretty much exactly what any reasonable person would have expected. Yet we are at 470 posts?

post nups wrote:

Why is this thread still getting posts? Even the original premise was dumb. 3:37 in those conditions was pretty much exactly what any reasonable person would have expected. Yet we are at 470 posts?

Bins going to attract trash

But this isn't about me -- did you forget the original goal?

Why do you keep changing goalposts? Rhetorical question.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Your faux open-mindedness to considering that Cheptegei might be doping.

So despite acknowledging doping exists alongside modern training you think that exploring a connection between them will arrive at a dead end. It surely will if you remain ignorant.

Have you ever explored that possible connection? Or has it always been up to others to do it for you? A rhetorical question.

But this isn't about me -- did you forget the original goal?

Why do you keep changing goalposts? Rhetorical question.

So he says, while shifting his goal posts yet again. But you can't answer the question of why have you never explored the connection between doping and training.

post nups wrote:

Why is this thread still getting posts? Even the original premise was dumb. 3:37 in those conditions was pretty much exactly what any reasonable person would have expected. Yet we are at 470 posts?

Whu? What conditions where those? Did he have 20mph winds and cold pouring rain coming down??

The fact is not just 3:37 but that he got destroyed by two b level runners.

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

But this isn't about me -- did you forget the original goal?

Why do you keep changing goalposts? Rhetorical question.

So he says, while shifting his goal posts yet again. But you can't answer the question of why have you never explored the connection between doping and training.

Shifting back to the original goal? Oh, no -- caught red-handed.

Has anyone ever explored the connection between doping and training? Would I be the first? That doesn't seem as important as analyzing real world performance.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So he says, while shifting his goal posts yet again. But you can't answer the question of why have you never explored the connection between doping and training.

Shifting back to the original goal? Oh, no -- caught red-handed.

Has anyone ever explored the connection between doping and training? Would I be the first? That doesn't seem as important as analyzing real world performance.

Yes, that connection has been explored and affirmed. But not by you. Doping never forms part of "real world performances" - even when dopers are caught. Doping apologist Exhibit A.

I know you're not very bright but there is this: if doping didnt aid training athletes wouldn't dope while training - yet many do, as we see from doping busts - and nor would doping be banned in training, but only in competition. But it is banned also in training because performance enhancement doesn't simply and magically occur when drugs are taken on race day. Welcome to the real world.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Yes, that connection has been explored and affirmed. But not by you. Doping never forms part of "real world performances" - even when dopers are caught. Doping apologist Exhibit A.

Once again, a vague, general, non-specific, unverifiable response.

We are not talking about a doper who was caught, so I offer no apology. Your Exhibit wasn't admitted by the judge.

Surely you, with all your knowledge and connections to athletes and anti-doping officials, will have no problem providing links and references and results of some of the most important explorations between doping and training.

This is the same original goalpost you have avoided for years, if not decades, just substituting "elite performance" with "training".

You keep trying to shift the burden, when it is you who keeps making claims you are then unable to support to any level of acceptable intellectual standard.

I do not have any burden or obligation to start a wild goose chase, to support claims I do not make.

bugattiaron wrote:

He ran 3:37 at altitude. And his 3000 was a harder record attempt on the tail end of his latest training cycle. Neither of those conditions are optimal for a fast performance, so neither is even remotely suggestive of him doping. He'll be where he needs to be when he needs to.

What's happened is that Cheptegei is now in the top tier dope testing pool. While it is difficult to test people in Uganda nonetheless he can no longer get away with blatant 24/7 365 rampant doping, and is likely now microdosing, hence his underperformances this year.

There's an athlete more suspicious than Cheptegei and his name is Jacob Kiplimo. And guess why? He's a Rosa athlete who has come from nowhere and is now close to world records for every event from the 3,000m to the half.