Flagpole wrote:
Improved technology...more border agents...stiffer penalties for people who hire illegal workers...that's how you tackle illegal immigration.
Absolutely true.
Going after the employers is literally a million times less expensive than a wall. And it's a lot more effective.
But to be fair, neither side wants to go after the employers.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
agip wrote:
well you completely skipped over the part where it says the wall would not materially reduce illegal immigration. Which is the whole reason for the wall, right? If it doesnt' work then why have it?
As for crime, that's a tricky one. I'll separate from most Dems by agreeing that illegal immigration does increase crime. If you are that victim, then it sucks to be you.
But
The US is running the lowest crime rates since the 1960s in most ways. Crime has been falling, falling, falling. I don't see how a few thousand more crimes committed by illegals matters a whole lot, when 99% of the crime is committed by US citizens. I mean if you are serious about slowing crime more, then do something about handguns, and cut spend billions to lower recidivism. That would lower crime. But it's not politically useful to Rs so they won't do it.
Whereas calling illegals murderers, rapists and bearers of disease brings out the vote, so that's what trump does.
Sick.
Any anyway, an ocean to gulf wall won't stop illegals, so the whole premise is lame. They'll still come. They will still commit crimes. Might as well not steal land from locals, spend hundreds of billions of useless dollars, wreck the environment if they are coming anyway.
I didn't skip over it, I didn't see anything that made me believe them. I have stats showing the wall in California worked wonders. I can get them if you like?
See you say 99% of the crime is done by Americans. Gosh, you are wrong, again. Why can't people actually go look at the stats.
Nearly 95 percent of foreign nationals in federal prison are illegal aliens, while the Bureau of Prisons data has revealed that about one-in-five inmates are foreign-born. There are close to 40,000 criminal illegal and legal immigrants incarcerated in federal prisons across the country, making up about 21 percent of the total federal prison population. Nearly all of those inmates are from Central and South America, resulting in a cost to U.S. taxpayers of about $1.4 billion every year.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdfBefore you have such opinions, at least know the stats. It is sick that you don't even know that stats but have the balls to call someone sick!
My friend who is a teacher isnt even allowed to ask her student for his/her SS# during registration in the beginning of the year because of illegals. What country on earth makes it's locals scared to ask its people for their ID#. Only Democrats who try to start race crap every 5 min.
you got caught up in the old federal vs. state vs. local jail issue. Oldest trick in the book but it won't work with me. Try again.
and you have to distinguish between crimes. murder is one thing, illegally hopping a wall is another.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Improved technology...more border agents...stiffer penalties for people who hire illegal workers...that's how you tackle illegal immigration.
Absolutely true.
Going after the employers is literally a million times less expensive than a wall. And it's a lot more effective.
But to be fair, neither side wants to go after the employers.
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
agip wrote:
1. There were 1,478 murders in texas in 2016. Your view is that 'over 1000' of them were committed by illegals? Please copy/paste or link. That would change my mind on a few things if true.
2. This country does not have an issue with protecting its borders. Trump wants you to think we do.
3. Many countries have zero border controls. Zero. Zilch.
1. Yes, i was lazy to type 1478 sorry. Here is the link...
Take a look at the crime statistics for just one state, Texas. A 2017 report by the Texas Department of Public Safety reveals that over the period from June 1, 2011 to February 28, 2017, the 215,000 criminal aliens who were booked into Texas jails were collectively charged with 566,000 offenses, including 1,167 homicides and 6,098 sexual assaults, with a total of 257,000 convictions.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htmMind you I am NOT picking right wing sites. These are gov sites.
2. That is crazy. We have close to 30 million illegals here and you think there is no issue.
3. Many countries don't need it. But ALL countries are more strict than the US, including Canada. But name me a country that has a border issue and isn't trying to fight it?
XY wrote:
Thus far no one caught in Muellers’ net has been charged with collusion? Not Kelly, not Manafort, etc.
Trump will not be charged with collusion either.
There is no such thing as a charge of collusion.
But Manafort was charged and convicted of Conspiracy Against the United States.
Tiny will be convicted on that charge as well. The indictment will almost certainly come this year.
Tiny is going to prison.
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Absolutely true.
Going after the employers is literally a million times less expensive than a wall. And it's a lot more effective.
But to be fair, neither side wants to go after the employers.
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
You have proof that Trump himself did this? You do know that he owns a crap load of companies and there is no way for him to be at every single new hire meeting to make sure it is legal.
But show me proof that he hires illegals knowingly.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
agip wrote:
1. There were 1,478 murders in texas in 2016. Your view is that 'over 1000' of them were committed by illegals? Please copy/paste or link. That would change my mind on a few things if true.
1. Yes, i was lazy to type 1478 sorry. Here is the link...
Take a look at the crime statistics for just one state, Texas. A 2017 report by the Texas Department of Public Safety reveals that over the period [b from June 1, 2011 to February 28, 2017, the 215,000 criminal aliens who were booked into Texas jails were collectively charged with 566,000 offenses, including 1,167 homicides ....
So, you support your 1478 murders in a SIBGLE year with 1167 homicides over a period of SIX years.
Good work there, genius.
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
And yet Republicans elected a candidate's main platform was to get rid of illegal immigration. Strange....
asian r reallly hot wrote:
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
You have proof that Trump himself did this? You do know that he owns a crap load of companies and there is no way for him to be at every single new hire meeting to make sure it is legal.
But show me proof that he hires illegals knowingly.
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https://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+hires+illegalshttps://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+illegals+secret+serviceasian r reallly hot wrote:
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
You have proof that Trump himself did this? You do know that he owns a crap load of companies and there is no way for him to be at every single new hire meeting to make sure it is legal.
But show me proof that he hires illegals knowingly.
Here you go.
http://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/Not only has he knowingly hired illegals he has also knowingly excused criminals who hired them
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/president-trump-iowa-commutation.htmlBut of course plebs think he cares about putting them first.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
And yet Republicans elected a candidate's main platform was to get rid of illegal immigration. Strange....
No, Republicans elected a candidate whose main platform is to pretend he wants to get rid of illegal immigrants. Intelligent and business minded Republicans know better but the Republican masses were conned by Trump.
Republican Safari wrote:
asian r reallly hot wrote:
1. Yes, i was lazy to type 1478 sorry. Here is the link...
Take a look at the crime statistics for just one state, Texas. A 2017 report by the Texas Department of Public Safety reveals that over the period [b from June 1, 2011 to February 28, 2017, the 215,000 criminal aliens who were booked into Texas jails were collectively charged with 566,000 offenses, including 1,167 homicides ....
So, you support your 1478 murders in a SIBGLE year with 1167 homicides over a period of SIX years.
Good work there, genius.
You are right, doesn't change anything. If you think one murder every 2 days is not a lot, again, in one state. What is your point genius?!?!
move along. djt not getting his wall. illegal immigration is a problem here. illegal immigration is a problem everywhere. funny, my wife is of central american descent, and she's hot tho u probly wouldn't think so.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
republicans hire illegals wrote:
Republicans hire a lot of illegals.
Now, Trump not only hires illegals, but he has his staff given them fake paperwork (SSNs with which they can apply to VOTE -- THE HORROR!), and he has his staff hide the illegals from the Secret Service to avoid they being vetted, and outed, and deported.
You have proof that Trump himself did this? You do know that he owns a crap load of companies and there is no way for him to be at every single new hire meeting to make sure it is legal.
But show me proof that he hires illegals knowingly.
XY wrote:
Thus far no one caught in Muellers’ net has been charged with collusion? Not Kelly, not Manafort, etc.
Trump will not be charged with collusion either.
He will finish his term and remain a threat in 2020.
Collusion (conspiracy) is the top of the mountain, brother. You work your way up from the bottom both with importance of individuals and then severity of charges. Conspiracy is the end game. We aren't at the end yet, so Mueller keeps that all close to the vest.
If Mueller had indicted for conspiracy already (Kushner, Don Jr., and or Manafort), that just puts his investigation in more jeopardy. It's the charge that means the most, is the most volatile, and it needs to come at the very end...and it WILL.
Kelly? Do you actually mean John Kelly? Methinks you meant either Michael Flynn or Michael Cohen.
Ciro wrote:
No, Republicans elected a candidate whose main platform is to pretend he wants to get rid of illegal immigrants. Intelligent and business minded Republicans know better but the Republican masses were conned by Trump.
Dude, you said no, but then said exactly what I said. ALL politicians pretend. That is their job. And he knows, that if he doesn't get this wall, he won't get a second term.
And by business minded Republicans (rich), you mean the ones who wants to screw over their workers as much as they can.
I am sure these business minded Republicans would love no min wage and hire anyone. Whatever.
Golf course wrote:
asian r reallly hot wrote:
You have proof that Trump himself did this? You do know that he owns a crap load of companies and there is no way for him to be at every single new hire meeting to make sure it is legal.
But show me proof that he hires illegals knowingly.
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https://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+hires+illegalshttps://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+illegals+secret+service
-10/10 if you want to bring up an article from 1980!! Guess what, illegals weren't an issue then. So why would he care!! Today, with millions coming, we care.
You got anything, I dont know, this century?
Why don't we bring up issues from the 1800's while we are at it.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
Ciro wrote:
No, Republicans elected a candidate whose main platform is to pretend he wants to get rid of illegal immigrants. Intelligent and business minded Republicans know better but the Republican masses were conned by Trump.
Dude, you said no, but then said exactly what I said. ALL politicians pretend. That is their job. And he knows, that if he doesn't get this wall, he won't get a second term.
And by business minded Republicans (rich), you mean the ones who wants to screw over their workers as much as they can.
I am sure these business minded Republicans would love no min wage and hire anyone. Whatever.
Are you actually that stupid or is it an act?
asian r reallly hot wrote:
Republican Safari wrote:
So, you support your 1478 murders in a SIBGLE year with 1167 homicides over a period of SIX years.
Good work there, genius.
You are right, doesn't change anything. If you think one murder every 2 days is not a lot, again, in one state. What is your point genius?!?!
In one state like TX? No. That’s peanuts.
What is the murder rate in TX for illegals vs legals vs white, black? Murder rate by economic class?
1. Poor people commit more murders.
2. Black people commit more murders (tied to #1)
Should TX just block all poor or black people from coming into the state?
Also people with good jobs don’t join gangs.
It’s all about economics.
Alan
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/president-trump-iowa-commutation.htmlasian r reallly hot wrote:
Golf course wrote:
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https://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+hires+illegalshttps://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+illegals+secret+service-10/10 if you want to bring up an article from 1980!! Guess what, illegals weren't an issue then. So why would he care!! Today, with millions coming, we care.
You got anything, I dont know, this century?
Why don't we bring up issues from the 1800's while we are at it.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
Golf course wrote:
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-10/10 if you want to bring up an article from 1980!! Guess what, illegals weren't an issue then. So why would he care!! Today, with millions coming, we care.
You got anything, I dont know, this century?
Why don't we bring up issues from the 1800's while we are at it.
ask and ye shall receive. Last month.
dude. Spanky is playing you.
He is revving you up for your vote.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/us/trump-bedminster-golf-undocumented-workers.html