BREAKING:Jama Aden's hotel in Spain raided.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

janshr khan wrote:

Struck me earlier.

Is this any coincidence that this occurs the week after the Operation Puerto blood bags decision?

Sure does move the narrative along onto athletics and well off the potential Spanish footballers that could've been implicated in Puerto

What was published about the doping at the time of Puerto is old news at this point.

Jama must have been moving quite a lot of PEDs, for quite a long time, for this to get to the level of 24 hour surveillance and criminal bust.

If this investigation started on Diack's watch, it was probably designed as a way to extort money from Aden's group. Then Coe inherited it, and badly needed to score some points as an anti-doping crusader. Wham. Points scored, and takes out a bunch of competitive Africans to boot. Makes it easier for nice English, American, and European athletes to take home the championship medals. Make T & F popular again, like in the 1980s. No more of these 5000m races where the first 9 places are Kenyan or Ethiopian. The sport will be more marketable if we have a "clean" Englishman battling "clean" Americans, "clean" Aussies, and "clean" Western Europeans for the gold. Nike will be happy.

"Targeted testing" is a great idea if applied properly. That's why it's so great that Sebastian Coe is in charge. He's the right man for the job. He knows who to target.

k... wrote:

... but it seems Russians athletes are innocent too, as they will be in RIO !

http://www.lemonde.fr/jeux-olympiques-rio-2016/article/2016/06/21/dopage-les-athletes-russes-repeches-participeront-sous-drapeau-russe-aux-jo-de-rio_4955138_4910444.html

lunacity wrote:

Except if you're Russian...

The Le Monde article quotes Thomas Bach of the IOC saying there are serious doubts about the innocence of Russian and Kenyan athletes and for athletes of these two countries to be able to compete in Rio, they have to be declared eligible by their respective federations after individual evaluation (testing).

Kenya is being lumped with Russia because of WADA's recent non-compliant ruling. So not just our runners, but even our rugby team will have to undergo extra testing. I say, test the Kenyans away, if only way to participate and restore our reputation. Kenyans were target- tested last year in Beijing as well. But it will be such sweet vindication if we absolutely smash it and sweep the distance events in Rio. Rub the haters' faces in it.

Old Nick wrote:

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Aden knew he was being investigated (many of us had heard so too), and yet Epo and steroids are found in the sting. #greed

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/745026707950866437

Interesting how Nick Willis knows that "Aden knew he was being investigated". I wonder if he can elaborate?

The non-compliance issue and......the bus load of positive tests - you forgot about the bus load.

Think that's an important factor as to why Kenya should be looked upon with suspicion.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

gwalkerruns wrote:

I think we are missing the big picture here. If the only way to catch dirty athletes is finding physical evidence in himes and hotels then we will never have a clean playing field. The bigger question, how are all these athletes repeatedly passing tests? How many others are doing the same thing?

You need to catch up on most of Hajo Seppelt's stories on the IAAF. It's all there, and doesn't just apply to the IAAF.

I do believe there are many clean international elite athletes. None of them are good enough to podium in any given year though. It's the wanton corruption of the sports federations permitting doping and doing absolutely everything they can to keep the corruption going.

Just look at IOC statement today that if Russians compete it will be under their flag not IOC flag. SMH All about the money and losing money from doping scandals is bad for business.

cleans wrote:

Old Nick wrote:

Latest from Nick Willis:

Nick Willis Verified account 

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Aden knew he was being investigated (many of us had heard so too), and yet Epo and steroids are found in the sting. #greed

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/745026707950866437

Interesting how Nick Willis knows that "Aden knew he was being investigated". I wonder if he can elaborate?

IAAF probably got a tip back in 2013 never directly acted on it but took it under advisement. And now in 2016 they say they were investigating since then. It's all PR. IAAF didn't do anything about Russian scandal til all the documentaries (and definitely a bigger problem as it's the whole country). I honestly don't think they were investigating since 2013 as they claim.

13:09 man wrote:

Makes it easier for nice English, American, and European athletes to take home the championship medals. Make T & F popular again, like in the 1980s. No more of these 5000m races where the first 9 places are Kenyan or Ethiopian. The sport will be more marketable if we have a "clean" Englishman battling "clean" Americans, "clean" Aussies, and "clean" Western Europeans for the gold. Nike will be happy.

Everyone wins. Viewership goes up in countries where the IOC has lucrative broadcast contracts. That leads to more money being distributed to the sports federations all the way down to the national level after the games.

More broadly, everyone at ever level of the sport has no problem with an Aden character. The guy delivered doping products, delivered doping regimens, delivered super-human doping wins that people like to watch.

cleans wrote:

Interesting how Nick Willis knows that "Aden knew he was being investigated". I wonder if he can elaborate?

Like Lance Armstrong knowing he was being investigated (covered) for UCI-WADA-USADA, and still was in the juice.

Remember, the "IAAF on-going investigation" on Aden's group back in 2013 was with Lamine Diack, .

El Keniano wrote:

Kenyans were target- tested last year in Beijing as well. But it will be such sweet vindication if we absolutely smash it and sweep the distance events in Rio. Rub the haters' faces in it.

"most tested athlete" "never tested positive"

The same IAAF that ignores suspicious scores tests a few athletes a little more, yet no one is sanctioned. I still wonder how/why Kenya got a free pass for so long.

Sportsmail has been working with the IAAF to crack the case for the past year

trollism wrote:

The latest step in the drug apologist life cycle:

1. Africans are too nice to dope, all natural talent

2. Ok, so a few got caught, they didn't know they were doing it.

3. Ok, so a lot got caught, well it doesn't work anyway.

4. Ok, so they all got caught, it doesn't matter, all the 'western' nations are doping just as bad but are getting a pass.

Why so much focus on African runners? Clearly the biggest dopers are in Eastern Europe. Almost every Russian who medals is clearly a doper. You can say the same for Ukraine, Belarus, Romania etc

To what Canova once said about Leo Manzano. He is not good enough to win a gold medal. Something along the lines!! Leo the Lion 2012 Olympic 1500m gold medalist! !

Yes. A bus load of third and fourth-tier Kenyans. Again, test all you want. Kenyan high schoolers will continue to be better runners than the best the British system can conjure up. That will never change.

Shame on you . There is no evidence Mo Farah is doping , He has never failed drug test or convicted of doping .You can attack his style of running or hate on his personality but if you gonna accuse him of being dirty then back up your accusations with concrete evidence

El Keniano wrote:

Regarding the Farah angle, Metric Miler, Tony the Tiger and other Britishers are in denial phase of the stages of grief. Any sane person can see his long history and friendship with the juicer is, at the very least, a smoking gun.

are those Kenyan high schoolers also dopers?:)

Big Mazungo wrote:

trollism wrote:

The latest step in the drug apologist life cycle:

1. Africans are too nice to dope, all natural talent

2. Ok, so a few got caught, they didn't know they were doing it.

3. Ok, so a lot got caught, well it doesn't work anyway.

4. Ok, so they all got caught, it doesn't matter, all the 'western' nations are doping just as bad but are getting a pass.

Why so much focus on African runners? Clearly the biggest dopers are in Eastern Europe. Almost every Russian who medals is clearly a doper. You can say the same for Ukraine, Belarus, Romania etc

Don't see any defenders of Russians and Eastern Europeans on here.

When a Russian is caught doping they're rightfully and immediately vilified.

yyy wrote:

are those Kenyan high schoolers also dopers?:)

Like the 'high schoolers' that dominate the world juniors?

tony the tiger wrote:

Shame on you . There is no evidence Mo Farah is doping , He has never failed drug test or convicted of doping .

You can attack his style of running or hate on his personality but if you gonna accuse him of being dirty then back up your accusations with concrete evidence

El Keniano wrote:

Regarding the Farah angle, Metric Miler, Tony the Tiger and other Britishers are in denial phase of the stages of grief. Any sane person can see his long history and friendship with the juicer is, at the very least, a smoking gun.

Who knows about Mo, it certainly doesn't look great for him.

This guy just employs the 'What about you' style of defence when his beloved Kenyans (of busload of positive test fame) are criticised.

If Mo tests positive or is implicated, he can fit in a mini. The busted Kenyans will soon need a 747 to transport them.