Mary Cain sues Al Sal and Nike for $20 million over alleged abuse

I would be curious to know what behaviors constitute “egregious forms of misconduct” and what evidence SafeSport has that Salazar actually committed sexual harassment. Allegations made by someone with very little credibility like Kara Goucher don’t hold much weight.

Me too. User novacain seems to have seen the report, so maybe they will enlighten us.

All listed without evidence.

The "sexual misconduct" angle as it relates to the Cain case is likely to go absolutely nowhere. I don't believe the legal action filed by Cain approaches this at all.

To make your case, it is probably best to avoid this particular angle and focus on the filing instead.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

What makes your opinion unfounded is that you fail to provide any foundation for them.

Well, then it is not unfounded because I have provided foundation. Go back if you seriously do not remember, but stop trolling.

You on the other hand keep dodging the questions as per usual.

We weren’t talking about me but about you “waiting for the actual facts to come out before regurgitating your personal feelings and displeasure.”

I asked you for supporting facts, and you have provided none that support your original ideas of “ogling” and “thoroughly investigating breasts and bottom”. Nor has Cain alleged Salazar any sexual misconduct towards her in her lawsuit.

casual obsever wrote:

Hi novacain - where is the report please? I have read that it is to remain private.

Sorry, I meant the lawsuit document, not the SafeSport report. There is no mention of “sexual misconduct”, only sex discrimination in the last count wherein that clearly means gender discrimination in employment. Sexual misconduct usually means sexual harassment or assault.

I’m not sure of the source of the claim that Goucher accused him of coming on to him in a bar or whether it is relevant to SafeSport’s ban. I still don’t know whether the egregious “sexual misconduct” reported widely refers to that, or to gender discrimination, or to what exactly.

DirtyT wrote:

[quote]all joking aside ... wrote:

...he’s the first descendant of Cuba escapees which means he has a different life experience than a little rich white girl from Nee York.

Not going to rant about what a jerk Mary Cain and/or Al Salazar is/are. Just want to add a couple of data points that haven’t been mentioned and may be pertinent to this “discussion.”

First, Al Sal is NOT a Marielito or wetback who swam from Cuba to Miami, and his family were not “escapees.” Salazar’s father was an engineer and they were an upper-middle class family that settled in Weyland, Mass, which is ranked #12 out of 350 Massachusetts towns in per-capita income. If he has had “a different life experience from the little rich white girl from Nee (sic) York” it’s because he forced it, not because was handed to him.

Salazar has always been a highly driven individual (Falmouth Road Race, collapse, last rites, etc. as mentioned). At age 16 (one year younger than Cain when she joined NOP) Salazar was already training with Bill Rogers, Greg Meyer and other top runners at the Greater Boston Track Club, keeping up with guys 10 years older than himself. This helped forge his intensity; I’m fairly certain that Coach Bill Squires never said: “It’s ok, Albertito, you can jog this rep…”

It’s clear that Salazar demanded the same intensity of his runners that he demanded of himself.

That this intensity was expressed in awkward and even humiliating ways? It certainly sounds like it. But what about this: long before NOP, Salazar was the track coach at Portland’s Central Catholic High School. If he coached a real team, and not just Galen Rupp, Salazar would have had to deal with all sorts of teen-age personalities and body types. Did he learn nothing about individualization? Or perhaps the power of empathy? Or did none of that work with Mary C.?

I think it is entirely possible that Salazar tried everything in his coach’s notebook with Cain and, when none worked, he resorted to browbeating. He did not want to blow it when the fastest female high school runner in the country was encharged to him. And intensity can be expressed in words as well as workouts…An unfortunate combination, but not one worth $20 million.

Can someone tell me when Goucher made her bar flirt allegation against AS and if it was related to the Cain case at all?

Is there any reliable news source explaining what AS’ “sexual misconduct” comprised?

Spainflyer wrote:

Weyland, Mass, which is ranked #12 out of 350 Massachusetts towns in per-capita income.

It was a middle of the road town in the 1970s-1980s.

And its Wayland.

Why does maybe having a wealthy family have anything to do with what happened? I've known many people that were from extremely rich families and almost all of them were good people that trained or worked as hard as everyone else.

Training with elite runners would be pretty cool and most of them don't run their over distance particularly fast. If he did interval workouts with them, it would be no different than a HS kid trying to keep up with a faster runner on his team.

I posted this before, but $20M is just a number and the jury will decide how much, if any, damages will be awarded. A jury ruled in favor of the USFL in its suit against the NFL and awarded $1 (later increased to $3) and others have awarded more than the claim requested in the lawsuit. Trump is suing his neice for $800M and Dominion $1B against Giuliani but neither actually believe that they will be awarded that much.

There was no "blowing it" with Cain. Salazar was not going to lose his job if she didn't run 3:55. Many HS runners don't improve because of factors out of the coach’s control and the he does not get fired as a result.

Yes, no evidence is listed because of the privacy policy of Safesport. That of course does not mean that no evidence existed.

In any case, btt, here are some related statements from the legal filing:

Somehow I can't imagine that training with Bill Rogers and Greg Meyer, at the age of 16, "would be no different than a HS kid trying to keep up with a faster runner on his team"

But standards to vary...

standards DO vary

So the lawsuit has taken a ruling by an outfit which drew a conclusion without presenting any public evidence to back it and classify it or possibly misclassify it accordingly.

We'll see where that goes if it ever comes to it.....which I doubt it will.

Spainflyer wrote:

Somehow I can't imagine that training with Bill Rogers and Greg Meyer, at the age of 16, "would be no different than a HS kid trying to keep up with a faster runner on his team"

But standards to vary...

Guys in his era like Chapa, Hurst and McChesney pushed themselves just as hard as Salazar did in HS. Again, over-distance running with those with those elite runners wasn't at 5:00 pace. There have been elite runners ran as slow as 7:00 per mile. Because of practices and and scheduling conflicts and he might have only ran with those guys once a week anyway.

I'll give you that with Chapa and McChesney, who once told me he and other the U of O runners trained in the sauna to get ready for the NCAA nationals at LSU...

Thanks, @casual. It is clear that his commenting on their “asses and boobs” in the context of his emphasis on the athlete’s weight is what they view as “sexual harassment”.

I suppose it satisfies the legal definition of “sexual harassment” in making a woman uncomfortable in the workplace by commenting on her body. 🤷‍♀️

fada tyme wrote:So the lawsuit has taken a ruling by an outfit which drew a conclusion without presenting any public evidence to back it and classify it or possibly misclassify it accordingly.

Yes, but only for a small part of the accusations (24 a+d). 24d has been confirmed publicly by several athletes, and Cain might get the "another athlete" from 24a to testify. FYI, 24 alone goes from a to g, 31 from a to v, and 32 from a to s; I merely cited the sexual misconduct/harassment parts of the lawsuit, for more detail see those three summarizing articles.

Here is the third:

32. Defendant Salazar’s and Nike’s negligence and fault, as alleged above and herein, was a substantial factor in causing, aggravating and / or exacerbating the following injuries, some of which are permanent: ...

rekrunner wrote:

Nor has Cain alleged Salazar any sexual misconduct towards her in her lawsuit.

Incorrect as per usual. See 31o:

failing to abstain from sexual harassment which includes engaging in deliberate or repeated sexually-oriented comments

novacain wrote:

I suppose it satisfies the legal definition of “sexual harassment” in making a woman uncomfortable in the workplace by commenting on her body. 🤷‍♀️

+1

From serving on our diversity, equity and inclusion committee, I know that even once mentioning someone's "boobs" qualifies as sexual harassment, not to mention repeatedly and descriptive and derogatory. As I wrote earlier, I'd be suspended on the spot for such behavior, and then fired if the investigation confirms it all. Not to mention the statements of the pro-Salazar crowd here...