Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

1) Democrats have now floated the idea that the DOJ needs to revisit their guideline that you can't indict a sitting President.

People need to understand that there are limits for what a President can be held legally accountable for. Wars, failed domestic policy . . . things related to the job. But, non-job related issues (violations) are not covered: emollients, profiteering, and other lawbreaking. Trump cannot avoid indictment for those.

hmmmm, a NOT was lost.

… there are limits for what a President canNOT be held legally accountable for. …

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Jamin: are you sober this morning?

agip wrote:

1) trumpers feel that a extra bit of economic growth is worth having a corrupt president. Senator Hatch said this, explicitly, but almost all Rs agree.

They just want low taxes and regulations stripped.

Economic growth is in the eye of the beholder.

If you want to say it's growing, you find the right states to support that.

If you want to say it's stalling, you look for those supportive facts.

They tout some GDP growth numbers and a downward unemployment trend now.

Obama had steady GDP growth (even 4% annualized for a quarter like one quarter this year) and net jobs were added monthly for 6 straight years.

These people don't care about economic growth for anyone but themselves and their lobbyists.

And they sure don't care about the debt and deficit when they are in power.

L L wrote:

agip wrote:

1) trumpers feel that a extra bit of economic growth is worth having a corrupt president. Senator Hatch said this, explicitly, but almost all Rs agree.

They just want low taxes and regulations stripped.

Economic growth is in the eye of the beholder.

If you want to say it's growing, you find the right states to support that.

If you want to say it's stalling, you look for those supportive facts.

They tout some GDP growth numbers and a downward unemployment trend now.

Obama had steady GDP growth (even 4% annualized for a quarter like one quarter this year) and net jobs were added monthly for 6 straight years.

These people don't care about economic growth for anyone but themselves and their lobbyists.

And they sure don't care about the debt and deficit when they are in power.

I don't completely disagree with what you are saying, but I'd add that what is keeping classic, country-club Rs on board the Trump train is broad-sweeping economic growth. They believe, honestly and to their core, that government is the problem, and trump's cutting taxes and regulation is the key to gains in growth. It's not a dishonest or greedy thought - we all agree that economic growth is critically important.

Point is that it's not just a bunch of lobbyists who want their industry to grow...it's a broad view of economics/politics held by Bush type Rs.

But these policies don't create broad-sweeping economic growth.

The biggest tax cut was for C Corps, not LLCs or small businesses.

And the lower regulations also help bigger companies,

Broad-sweeping growth happens when mass consumers have more to spend.

They don't address that in their policies.

L L wrote:

But these policies don't create broad-sweeping economic growth.

The biggest tax cut was for C Corps, not LLCs or small businesses.

And the lower regulations also help bigger companies,

Broad-sweeping growth happens when mass consumers have more to spend.

They don't address that in their policies.

I converted my LLC to a S-Corp several years ago. As a sole-proprietor (pass-through of all profits in a year as personal income) I can say they the Republicans went out of their way tp make sure I did not get the "business" tax break.

L L wrote:

Trump can't negotiate reduced sentences for himself before being charged by resigning.

But his resignation may end the investigation that is leading to his family members.

And an early resignation would prevent an impeachment on the books, like what Nixon did.

And a Pence pardon would go with that. I doubt NY state would pursue something but maybe.

If he's on his way out, the sooner he steps down the better it fairs for him and his family.

More and more things will become public during the impeachment trial.

Maybe he can survive all of this until the next election but that would be taking a risk for him.

The Trump family and the Trump organization have broken numerous NY state laws. A resignation and/or pardon doesn't get them out from under that.

I see no scenario where there is any incentive for NY state prosecutors to just let this go.

L L wrote:

But these policies don't create broad-sweeping economic growth.

The biggest tax cut was for C Corps, not LLCs or small businesses.

And the lower regulations also help bigger companies,

Broad-sweeping growth happens when mass consumers have more to spend.

They don't address that in their policies.

a bigger pie means bigger slices for everyone.

the C corp tax cut was big yeah because they had a ridiculously high rate few companies paid. Loopholes brought it down to near where it is now.

You aren't paying attention if you think mass consumers don't have more money to spend. Consumer metrics are quite strong.

Look, I know you are a lefty who thinks incomes have stagnated since the Ford administration, and nothing I can show you or tell you will change your mind on that.

Trump's only hope is to seek exile in Saudi. I cannot think of any other country which would allow him in. Image: Trump surround by scary Mooselims.

Ok, but I do really want to hear a Trumper say it, because your #3, for example, is pejorative to Trumpers, and I don't think they would say that.

I do appreciate your responses though.

Muslim Trump wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The Trump family and the Trump organization have broken numerous NY state laws. A resignation and/or pardon doesn't get them out from under that.

I see no scenario where there is any incentive for NY state prosecutors to just let this go.

Trump's only hope is to seek exile in Saudi. I cannot think of any other country which would allow him in. Image: Trump surround by scary Mooselims.

Russia would be super-thrilled to have him as a permanent guest. For at least two reasons:

1) He is president and (despite not reading) surely knows a lot of state secrets.

2) Putin would love to capture the hearts and minds of millions of Trumpers. Tiny would become a regular on RT. RT would become at least as popular as Fox among US viewers. What better way to spread Russian propaganda than to let Tiny the showman do it?

"Flee to exile" is one of the four ways Tiny might leave office. It's very possible and it would be a nightmare for America.

a little help from Russia wrote:

Fentrekker wrote:

Let me guess; you also thought it was delusional that Trump would get elected?

Let me guess, you are okay with Russia and others cheating the election to get Trump elected, and at the same time sooooo angry that Hillary won over three-million more votes than Trump, that she must have cheated.

You utterly misunderstand me. I have never voted anything other than Democratic in my life. I detest Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Mike Pence as much as I would have detested Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler had I lived in their era. But I also happen to think most American liberals are misguided about how anemic the Democratic leadership has become. Yes, we need to get rid of Donald Trump. No, doing so is not going to make the sky turn blue. Trump is a mad demon that has been let lose by the failed policies of the entire American establishment, particularly the Republicans, but with a lot of help from misguided Democrats.

Some legal people are saying that Trump CAN negotiate reduced sentences. Richard Painter is a lawyer, Neal Katyal is a lawyer and former Solicitor General. Both of you might be right that, especially the state of New York, they might not do this, but it does sound like it is within the realm of possibility. It's at least worth a shot for him to attempt, because the alternative for him is going to be VERY bad.

Muslim Trump wrote:

Trump's only hope is to seek exile in Saudi. I cannot think of any other country which would allow him in. Image: Trump surround by scary Mooselims.

There is reason to believe that Trump might well pull off this "Christian" to Muslim conversion. Wasn't Trump a life-long Democrat?

Regarding #4, Cinton didn't need to find a way out. He was never going to be removed from office because of lying about receiving oral sex from Lewinsky.

Fat hurts wrote:

Muslim Trump wrote:

Trump's only hope is to seek exile in Saudi. I cannot think of any other country which would allow him in. Image: Trump surround by scary Mooselims.

Russia would be super-thrilled to have him as a permanent guest. For at least two reasons:

1) He is president and (despite not reading) surely knows a lot of state secrets.

2) Putin would love to capture the hearts and minds of millions of Trumpers. Tiny would become a regular on RT. RT would become at least as popular as Fox among US viewers. What better way to spread Russian propaganda than to let Tiny the showman do it?

"Flee to exile" is one of the four ways Tiny might leave office. It's very possible and it would be a nightmare for America.

I could see Trump in exile in Russia (though I am not predicting that), BUT I don't believe he would make RT as popular as FOX. Trump has supporters only because of what they think he can do for them. When he is no longer President, he will not maintain really any popularity. There will be a nutbar or two who will get his face tattooed on their back (a la Roger Stone with Nixon), but his popularity will dry up. The image of a former President (even if he is disgraced) in exile in Russia is a bad thing, but he won't have throngs of followers.

Flagpole wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The Trump family and the Trump organization have broken numerous NY state laws. A resignation and/or pardon doesn't get them out from under that.

I see no scenario where there is any incentive for NY state prosecutors to just let this go.

Some legal people are saying that Trump CAN negotiate reduced sentences. Richard Painter is a lawyer, Neal Katyal is a lawyer and former Solicitor General. Both of you might be right that, especially the state of New York, they might not do this, but it does sound like it is within the realm of possibility. It's at least worth a shot for him to attempt, because the alternative for him is going to be VERY bad.

Anybody can try to negotiate over anything. But you need leverage to be successful.

So where would the leverage come from? What incentive does a NY state prosecutor have to go easy on Trump, his family, or his business?

Other than plea bargaining to avoid a trial, I don't see anything the president has to offer.**

** Of course, he could do special favors for NY before leaving office, but that sort of thing has obvious problems.